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A history of Star Marine - The FPS shooter component of Star Citizens.
MrSnuffles
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PAX AUSTRALIA – November 5th, 2014
Chris Roberts debuts promising footage of the upcoming FPS shooter component of Star Citizen to a rapturous audience. Later in the presentation, he introduces Illfonic, the contractor developing the game.
STAR CITIZEN PAX EAST PRESENTATION – March 6th, 2015
Chris Roberts shows improvements made in the last quarter to the FPS component. He explains that the FPS will release in “3 weeks time”, as soon as they finish transition animations and finish modeling trickier elements like Zero-G combat. He then states that CIG’s goal is to have “the best playable soldiers on the simulated battlefield“.
Not long thereafter, he introduces the in-game fiction name of their combat module, “Star Marine”, apparently unaware that the trademark has already been registered by another party for use in video game and film properties.
INTERVIEW WITH REDBULL.COM – June 4th, 2015
In an interview with RedBull.com, Chris Roberts says of his FPS ambitions that “Star Citizen has to be as good or better than anything out there.” He later speaks of his plans to add a procedural system for destructible environments, to improve upon Battlefield 4’s scripted events.
POLYGON, OTHERS REPORTS “STAR MARINE” MAY BE DELAYED INDEFINITELY- June 30th, 2015
Seizing on either ill-chosen or confessional disclosures in the latest “Letter from the Chairman“, Polygon reports:
“Chris Roberts’ Star Citizen, the spiritual successor to the Wing Commander series and unprecedented crowdfunding success, has encountered serious technical and gameplay issues that will indefinitely delay one of the game’s key modules, a first-person shooter called Star Marine.“
GUIDE TO STAR MARINE – July 2015
This is a well-made, fan-generated overview of the game from July of 2015. Note that there is no speculation here; the fan has simply condensed material (video, lore, weapons, interfaces and gameplay info) that had been previously disseminated by CIG since they debuted FPS gameplay at PAX Australia in November of 2014.
Introduction
Game Modes & Maps
Customization
The Armory
Advanced Mastery
Access
GAMESCOM 2015 – August 7th, 2015
One month after that fan video was released, Chris Roberts shows a live, multiplayer playthrough of illfonic’s “Star Marine”. In an attempt to rebut rumors that Star Marine had been cancelled, Chris Roberts states:
“Just to show you basically its not cancelled, that its in development, it exists… We’re hoping to have that to you guys before CitizenCon.“
Later in the presentation, Chris Roberts states that Star Marine v1: The Battle for Gold Horizon will be available at the end of September 2015.
This was the last build of Illfonic’s now-scrapped game that they showed at a Citizen event. Janky though the player animations were, it appeared to have more weapons (including grenades and an electric shotgun) that have since vanished.
Curiously, there was a much-derided, hype teaser for Star Marine right before CitizenCon 2015. The chilly reception of fans (and open mockery of critics) prompted CIG to table discussion of “Star Marine” at the show.
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STAR MARINE STATUS UPDATE – October 17th, 2015
After weeks of openly frustrated progress reports by (recently departed) Jason Hutchins, the last entry in CIG’s ongoing series of Star Marine updates appears on the RSI site. It is here that an early conflation of “Star Marine” with the PTU Alpha begins, though it’s worth noting that even at this date, “Star Marine” was still being referred to as a module akin to “Arena Commander”.
10 FOR THE PRODUCERS – November 23, 2015
In an interview with Jason Hutchins (don’t forget the name), he describes Star Marine as “a test bed for new features, new game types, new mission objectives and maps” and later, a means to roll out “new enemy AI behavior for certain monsters or other NPCS out there“. The point, he notes, is to allow upcoming FPS gameplay additions to be tested in the module before they are added into the game proper (the PTU).
Jake Ross adds, “And Star Marine is also used like ‘Arena Commander’ is used, like a simulation to practice your dogfighting skills. This is a simulator to practice your first person shooter skills.”
10 FOR THE CHAIRMAN – January 25, 2016
Aside from discussion by Jason Hutchins in 10 FOR THE PRODUCERS, and despite ample opportunities available during both CIG’s Anniversary and Holiday Livestreams, little attention was paid to “Star Marine” in the months of November and December.
Chris Roberts finally addresses the elephant in the room during his first “10 for the Chairman” interview of the year.
In the span of only a few minutes, Chris Roberts introduces a revisionist fiction that completely contradicts literally hundreds of public statements made by him and other members of CIG and Illfonic over the course of the last year. There will be no Star Marine module, and there need not be one, as the features formerly promised are now available in the PTU. Deal with it.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
To be fair, i copy and pasted most of it but it is important that people know this and look at it in context of how it was announced, developed and now put on the back burner. This behaviour is systematic with SC and i expect nothing less to happen with SQ42 and all the other promises that have been made
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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I have a feeling we're about to find out.
Have fun.
I doubt we will see Erillion in here because all that information comes directly from the Star Citizen website and from the official videos (with one exception which is a fan video).
There is really nothing even he can do that changes these facts.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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You seriously under estimate the lengths he will go to to bury everything under a mountain of useless info, try to derail the topic or just use the "its alpha what do you expect?" excuse.
Kudos for throwing that all up in one spot though. You deserve +10 internetz
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Roberts could do whatever the frak he likes and they would just make up excuses to defend his decisions rather than growing a backbone and being critical about what their money is spent on.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Being critical on mmorpg is irrelevant, I'm talking in general. If the prevailing consensus amongst backers was "Hey, we're not happy about this!" then the devs would probably be more careful about what they do and what they say but because of the way the vocal backers of this game behave they don't feel like that.
Personally I don't care that they've scrapped it, what I don't like is the way that Roberts & Co. hyped it month after month (without being assured it was in a releasable state) and then scrapped it while snarking at the backers who were asking wtf was going on. We want your money but we don't want your questions!!
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
By all means be flippant if that's easier for you.
Why would you not want to hold someone to their word? If a person enticed others to hand over money based on demos, screenshots, big write ups, promises about 'weeks not months' etc and then goes back on their word - why would you be so apathetic?
The point is not that they've gone back to the drawing board and will be trickling in FPS features, it's that they got money based on what they were advertising and then totally moved the fraking goalposts.
If that sort of practice is acceptable to you then you are part of the reason that the industry is so notoriously crap.
Erm....it's not scrapped.
Have fun
Star Marine, as a module, is scrapped.
Have fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=GGreb21dKdg
Cant get much more clear than that.
Wow, what a wealth of information you are...
Of course it's scrapped. It's only weasel word apologists who will vehemently try to oppose that it isn't scrapped.
Sure, in time the ideas of what the SM module would consist of will be added to the PU, but that is nowhere near the same as taking everything that currently makes up the SM module and just placing it into the PU.
Answer : Yes
Is it scrapped ?
Answer : No. See above.
Where will it be played ?
Answer: Via the sim pod in the hangar. Its NOT "real" combat in the Persistent Universe (where you will also be able to do FPS combat, but it will be much more risky in the PU itself due to permadeath mechanic).
When does it come ?
Answer: When the basic mechanics are in place. Those are currently developed and tested with the SC Alpha build. It takes longer than expected.
How will it be named ?
Answer: No one knows yet. The working title "Star Marine" cannot be used due to protected IP reasons, so CIG has to find another name.
Have fun
This is the guy that said we would have SM back in April last year, the guy who said it was weeks, not months away, that it would be playable in 2.1 (or shortly after) and all of those other sweet things he promised it would be.
After all of that why would anyone believe this person means what he says? The man is a gobshite.
Which is all totally irrelevant.
Just because something similar will eventually be in the game does not mean that the current module is not scrapped.
If I designed a car called 'The Erillion', I build it but find it can't get round corners upon which I decide to go back to the drawing board and design a new car, now known as 'The Smart Car' which can get round corners, it would still mean 'The Erillion' has been scrapped despite 85% of 'The Smart Car' consisting of identical parts.