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Is logitech ripping off European gamers?

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited January 2016
    Amazon told us it is Logitech setting the prices, not Amazon. Amazon does not change prices on behalf of the sellers, the price is determined by Logitech, not Amazon.

    Logitech hasn't responded.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Kiyoris said:
    Amazon told us it is Logitech setting the prices, not Amazon. Amazon does not change prices on behalf of the sellers, the price is determined by Logitech, not Amazon.

    Logitech hasn't responded.
    I'd almost believe that too.
  • Zen00Zen00 Member UncommonPosts: 152
    Kiyoris said:
    Well, the most ridiculous thing is.

    That Europeans should be buying these mice from the US, use priority fast shipping and you are still cheaper off than buying the mice in Europe.

    Buying a Logitech mouse in the US, sending it half across the world on a plane with priority shipping, is cheaper than buying it in Europe.

    That is insane and wrong.

    I posted on the Logitech board to see if they'll respond.


    It was well known that you could pay for a first class flight from Australia to the USA round trip, buy a copy of Adobe Creative Suite, and return for cheaper than buying it in Australia.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I do not buy into that at all,simple reason is that Hasbro was sued for millions by the USA government for setting prices on their products.It is always up to the seller to set the price if they are coerced into doing otherwise then that is again an illegal action lawsuit.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1414722/Hasbro-fined-nearly-5m-for-price-fixing.html

    Here is one of the MANY articles you can find,i am surprised that was back in 2002,this old guy can still remember if he wants to.They call it selective memory :P.

    What really pissed me off and why i remember it so clearly is the way the lawsuit was settled.The more i see in lawsuits the more i  see government is every bit as crooked as the businesses.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,882
    edited January 2016
    Wizardry said:
    I do not buy into that at all,simple reason is that Hasbro was sued for millions by the USA government for setting prices on their products...
    They probably have an agreement where Logitech is the real seller at amazon.com, and Amazon just takes a cut.

    Just like Steam does when selling its games. Publisher sets the price, Steam delivers the game and gets a cut.
     
  • MukeMuke Member RarePosts: 2,614
    Kiyoris said:
    The price is worth what the client will pay.

    If someone on this globe wants to pay $70 for a mouse, it's worth it and they are right to ask it.

    And it is not like Logitech is the only supplier.

    "going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    edited January 2016
    How does using a middle man instead of directly from Logitech help the customer at all?
    A better infrastructure than what Logitech can produce for e-commerce?I mean it's not a like an actual store front,we can surf just as easily to Logitech as we can Amazon.

    I understand how and why of Ebay from selling illegal goods to people that don't own a store or business and want to sell some items but a big name business ,i don't see the reasoning why.

    So Logi sells item for 100 on ebay ,sets a price of 90 on Amazon then sets up shop somewhere else and sells it at 80 and everyone thinks they are seeing a deal price when in essence it is a 30 dollar item.This is what i would call a FALSE market.
    Now i know there is law versus doing this with commodities but then again we already know the y manipulate OIL prices and nobody is going to jail .../sigh.. so much for law.However there is law on misleading marketing and advertising.

    In this case you can clearly see that the higher prices are ridiculous and the actual VALUE price is 39 bucks.
    The problem as i state d is it not a SALE or value price,that 39 bucks is what it is worth,those other higher prices are to create a FALSE market value.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,882
    edited January 2016
    Wizardry said:
    How does using a middle man instead of directly from Logitech help the customer at all?
    A better infrastructure than what Logitech can produce for e-commerce?I mean it's not a like an actual store front,we can surf just as easily to Logitech as we can Amazon.

    I understand how and why of Ebay from selling illegal goods to people that don't own a store or business and want to sell some items but a big name business ,i don't see the reasoning why.

    So Logi sells item for 100 on ebay ,sets a price of 90 on Amazon then sets up shop somewhere else and sells it at 80 and everyone thinks they are seeing a deal price when in essence it is a 30 dollar item.This is what i would call a FALSE market.
    Now i know there is law versus doing this with commodities but then again we already know the y manipulate OIL prices and nobody is going to jail .../sigh.. so much for law.However there is law on misleading marketing and advertising.

    In this case you can clearly see that the higher prices are ridiculous and the actual VALUE price is 39 bucks.
    The problem as i state d is it not a SALE or value price,that 39 bucks is what it is worth,those other higher prices are to create a FALSE market value.
    1. It helps Logitech to use Amazon because they get more visibility to their products. Logitech wants to have all its products on sale on Amazon, because there are people who use Amazon to search for things like new mouse, and read reviews. If Logitech products were not there, then those people would buy from one of Logitech's competitors.

    Selling through Amazon/Steam/Kickstarter/etc. is often more about marketing than about need to use their other services.

    2. What gave you the impression that anything in capitalism is sold at its value? The whole idea of capitalism is that companies try to sell you at as high price as possible to generate maxium profit.
     
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    There's also more to being a retailer than just being able to host a web page and accept a credit card.

    Customer Service (I mean, Kiyoris did call and talk to someone)
    Staff and capacity to handle RMAs (Amazon does this very very well, most companies, especially on warranty claims, take weeks).
    Shipping (I buy from Amazon a lot of times just because of free 2-day shipping - you can't offer that and keep a profit margin unless your shipping some high volumes)
    Global warehousing and Distribution 
    Taxes, tarriffs, duties, etc.
    One day they will deliver your mouse with a drone that you can use for real life target practice

    And that's on top of everything that Vrika points out, which is true as well.

    Sure, Amazon takes a cut of the profit out of it, but they are bringing a good deal to the table. Otherwise people wouldn't sell through them.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Kiyoris said:
    Amazon told us it is Logitech setting the prices, not Amazon. Amazon does not change prices on behalf of the sellers, the price is determined by Logitech, not Amazon.

    Logitech hasn't responded.
    So, Logitech responded....by not responding....



  • feroshusferoshus Member UncommonPosts: 164
    Quizzical said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Quizzical said:


    Congratulations.  You have discovered that some stores charge more than others for the same item.  Here's another place you could have discovered that, even comparing purely within the US:
    ok, but that's not the point of my thread though

    I'm comparing US to EU prices, not differences in prices within the US. It's a much more substantial difference, almost twice the price.
    You found a place in the US that has the item on sale, and places in Europe that don't.  That's all you did.  There's really nothing more to this thread than that, unless you want to count various European countries having large VATs while the US doesn't.
    That's it right there, thread over. Sad how some people just don't know when to stop...
  • GestankfaustGestankfaust Member UncommonPosts: 1,989
    feroshus said:
    Quizzical said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Quizzical said:


    Congratulations.  You have discovered that some stores charge more than others for the same item.  Here's another place you could have discovered that, even comparing purely within the US:
    ok, but that's not the point of my thread though

    I'm comparing US to EU prices, not differences in prices within the US. It's a much more substantial difference, almost twice the price.
    You found a place in the US that has the item on sale, and places in Europe that don't.  That's all you did.  There's really nothing more to this thread than that, unless you want to count various European countries having large VATs while the US doesn't.
    That's it right there, thread over. Sad how some people just don't know when to stop...
    LOL...exactly.

    But the OP and his/her like put us all on ignore if we disagree. So good luck on future discussions....

    :P

    "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Do me a favor and leave the thread if you have nothing to contribute pertaining to the topic.

    Thanks.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited January 2016
    Torval said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Kiyoris said:
    Amazon told us it is Logitech setting the prices, not Amazon. Amazon does not change prices on behalf of the sellers, the price is determined by Logitech, not Amazon.

    Logitech hasn't responded.
    So, Logitech responded....by not responding....

    Did you really think they would document, in an official email, their business pricing strategy? They don't do that with their retail partners, let alone the general public.
    Amazon had no issues explaining their pricing, so yes, I expected a better reply from Logitech. This is a non-reply.
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    edited January 2016
    Torval said:
    No, Amazon told you nothing. They told you to go ask someone else.
    How do you even know what Amazon told me. You don't.

    Nowhere did they tell me to ask someone else.

    Why do I bother replying. You're just arguing for the sake of argument.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,412
    It's because Europe is a socialist pig sty. VAT can get things very expensive. Also there are import tariffs. Put the blame where it belongs, on the socialist life-style. You might be able to place the blame on political economists who think paying more for the same product is better for the economy.
    Last Christmas, 2 of the items I bought were sold directly from China. Since US doesn't have tariffs, there were really cheap. $12 for a $50 headlamp. $150 for a $600 head unit on my truck. Funny thing is the headlamp took only 5 days to ship from China.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227

    Quite easy to recognize the typical person who knows little about Europe and the European countries... and he obviously also knows little about what socialism is, too.
    Lemme guess... you're one of those who call Obama a "socialist" ?
    Nah he/she just heard the republican speech about Bernie Sanders and now think he/she is informed on the subject at hand. =P 

    Anyway... I rather have my socialist ways that make sure that i can afford healthcare no matter that i am unemployed at the moment. 

    He/she can have their cheap truck parts.

    I feel that i will be the winner in the long run.

    This have been a good conversation

  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 7,591
    Cleffy said:
    It's because Europe is a socialist pig sty. VAT can get things very expensive. Also there are import tariffs. Put the blame where it belongs, on the socialist life-style. You might be able to place the blame on political economists who think paying more for the same product is better for the economy.
    Last Christmas, 2 of the items I bought were sold directly from China. Since US doesn't have tariffs, there were really cheap. $12 for a $50 headlamp. $150 for a $600 head unit on my truck. Funny thing is the headlamp took only 5 days to ship from China.
    I think you're confused about who's economy your  example is good for.

    "Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee

  • scorpex-xscorpex-x Member RarePosts: 1,030
    EU pay more because they will pay it, it's pretty common from games or subscriptions to cash shops in f2p games and peripherals.
  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,412
    edited January 2016
    I don't think you guys recognize the affects of tariffs and VAT. Tariffs artificially raises the price of imported goods to protect domestic manufacturers. The VAT increases the cost of a good for each hand it passes. Distribution systems tend to be multi-company, and as a result multiple occurrences of the VAT. It's the main reason the EU pays more for electronic goods not including shipping.
    Socialism is the control of the means of production by the state. In practice on formerly capitalist nations, this is done through regulations and taxation to put production into the desired goods.
    Or in Sanders world, it is a magical world where everyone gets everything for nothing where people don't need to try hard to achieve.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Cleffy said:
    I don't think you guys recognize the affects of tariffs and VAT. Tariffs artificially raises the price of imported goods to protect domestic manufacturers. The VAT increases the cost of a good for each hand it passes. Distribution systems tend to be multi-company, and as a result multiple occurrences of the VAT. It's the main reason the EU pays more for electronic goods not including shipping.
    Socialism is the control of the means of production by the state. In practice on formerly capitalist nations, this is done through regulations and taxation to put production into the desired goods.
    Or in Sanders world, it is a magical world where everyone gets everything for nothing where people don't need to try hard to achieve.
    Just watched some stand up comedy. But i knew i should have come here instead.
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