Star Marine delivered!

Turrican187 · January 2016

In the latest 10FTC CR says that Star Marine has officially been delivered! So Have Fun!

https://youtu.be/GGreb21dKdg?t=18m34s

Basically by the look of 2.1 they scrapped Illfonics work alltogether, whats in the game is the Cryengine basic shooter + ragdoll

Erillion · January 2016

Sorry, that is not what he said. Which also means the thread title is incorrect.

Short version:
"....So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU...."

Long version:

(18:34) Banjo asks: What are the plans for ‘Star Marine’? I know we have FPS mechanics in 2.1, but I’m curious whether the stand alone module with Gold Horizon is still in the pipeline.

"So yes it is still in the pipeline. I do actually kind of like to say something because I sort of get annoyed sometimes when I see this pop up in comments like “Oh Star Marine is cancelled or Where’s Star Marine!?” Star Marine was just a game mode for people to play the FPS elements of Star Citizen until we could combine everything together: Flying, walking around, shooting, doing all the rest of the stuff, all together, that is what is in 2.0, that’s what it’s 2.1.

With SC Alpha 2.0 onwards, you have basically what we were planning to do from Star Citizen and from the very very beginning. If you could back and look at the original pitch we didn’t say “Hey we’re doing Star Marine,” We said we will have FPS and Board, well you have FPS and you have boarding right now and so what’s really happening is there will not be features that will only be for Star Marine outside a sort of competition match and scoring that isn’t going to be in the game and so we’re actually rolling out the FPS features.

So 2.2 will have some more features on the FPS side and 2.3 will have some more and so on until we sort of what we consider the basic functionality. 2.2 has cover and some other things in it and we’ll obviously have future, there’s things like vaulting and sliding and different kind of stances that we have and there’s a lot more weapons that we have and they’re all getting rolled out and honing it and you guys are going to be able to play it in 2.2 and 2.3 and 2.4

When we’ve got that basic set together we will sort of turn on the map for Star Marine because all Star Marine is, is a game mode. Basically allows you to play a game, have two teams, have some points and so you can just sort of have a Arena Commander style match, but for FPS. That’s useful for you to hone your FPS skills without sort of being in the mini PU and risking some other stuff, but you already have FPS in the game so it’s not like FPS got cancelled or anything like that.

It’s definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with. By the time we got it to the level we said ”Okay you guys can play this.” Well we already had all the other things combined with the Large World and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU."

Of course the usual suspects make clickbait out of it:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/columns/respawn/oh-well-star-marine-now-canceled

Have fun

adamlotus75 · January 2016

He basically got in the DeLorean, accelerated to 88mph and went back to a time before he started hyping Star Marine at every trade show and interview.

this is going to happen with every major feature... Oh it's in the PU! Yeah that bit over there... That's totally what we meant... 100 planets of content is obviously 1 planet you can go to 100 times!

Erillion · January 2016

adamlotus75 said:

100 planets of content is obviously 1 planet you can go to 100 times!

ARK Starmap:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap

Have fun

rpmcmurphy · January 2016

If Roberts is getting annoyed with people bringing up Star Marine he's only got himself to blame. He hyped it for months and months, continually saying how it was just around the corner, he demoed it, he wrote chairman letters about it etc, and then he went quiet.
The FPS he's talking about today is nowhere close to what he was supposedly offering last year. In that respect it might as well be considered cancelled.

Typical poor communication from CIG and more proof that you cannot trust a word out of Roberts' gobshite mouth.

bartoni33 · January 2016

So did anyone actually think SM was supposed to be a separate game? It was always meant to be a temp aspect of SC. This game is being made in modules remember? AC, SM etc are all modules that will be incorporated into the greater SC game.

Jesus tits the lengths people will go to troll this game...

CrazKanuk · January 2016

rpmcmurphy said:

If Roberts is getting annoyed with people bringing up Star Marine he's only got himself to blame. He hyped it for months and months, continually saying how it was just around the corner, he demoed it, he wrote chairman letters about it etc, and then he went quiet.
The FPS he's talking about today is nowhere close to what he was supposedly offering last year. In that respect it might as well be considered cancelled.

Typical poor communication from CIG and more proof that you cannot trust a word out of Roberts' gobshite mouth.

So let me just make sure I understand why you're angry.

1) A developer hyped a game
2) A developer changed the scope which reduced the scope that was originally hyped

Huh, cool. I guess it's all about standards. I would definitely not play any games that fit these standards. Can't wait to hear about the games you'll be playing... never... like ever.

Sorry, but doesn't it seem like people are getting a little more petty every time that there is any progress made on SC? I can't wait until the game releases. By that time the major complaint will probably be that he's too British.

rpmcmurphy · January 2016

CrazKanuk said:

rpmcmurphy said:

If Roberts is getting annoyed with people bringing up Star Marine he's only got himself to blame. He hyped it for months and months, continually saying how it was just around the corner, he demoed it, he wrote chairman letters about it etc, and then he went quiet.
The FPS he's talking about today is nowhere close to what he was supposedly offering last year. In that respect it might as well be considered cancelled.

Typical poor communication from CIG and more proof that you cannot trust a word out of Roberts' gobshite mouth.

So let me just make sure I understand why you're angry.

1) A developer hyped a game
2) A developer changed the scope which reduced the scope that was originally hyped

Huh, cool. I guess it's all about standards. I would definitely not play any games that fit these standards. Can't wait to hear about the games you'll be playing... never... like ever.

Sorry, but doesn't it seem like people are getting a little more petty every time that there is any progress made on SC? I can't wait until the game releases. By that time the major complaint will probably be that he's too British.

Oh yeah here come the word twisters.
There's no anger here son, I'm just laughing at Roberts getting sour over stuff he said but couldn't actually back up.

CrazKanuk · January 2016

rpmcmurphy said:

CrazKanuk said:

rpmcmurphy said:

If Roberts is getting annoyed with people bringing up Star Marine he's only got himself to blame. He hyped it for months and months, continually saying how it was just around the corner, he demoed it, he wrote chairman letters about it etc, and then he went quiet.
The FPS he's talking about today is nowhere close to what he was supposedly offering last year. In that respect it might as well be considered cancelled.

Typical poor communication from CIG and more proof that you cannot trust a word out of Roberts' gobshite mouth.

So let me just make sure I understand why you're angry.

1) A developer hyped a game
2) A developer changed the scope which reduced the scope that was originally hyped

Huh, cool. I guess it's all about standards. I would definitely not play any games that fit these standards. Can't wait to hear about the games you'll be playing... never... like ever.

Sorry, but doesn't it seem like people are getting a little more petty every time that there is any progress made on SC? I can't wait until the game releases. By that time the major complaint will probably be that he's too British.

Oh yeah here come the word twisters.
There's no anger here son, I'm just laughing at Roberts getting sour over stuff he said but couldn't actually back up.

Yeah, I'm not angry either. I'm actually laughing, too, because it seems like people (not you specifically) have serious tunnel vision now. I mean there WERE some very valid issues with the concepts presented at the outset. However, ever since that "impossibility" has seemingly vanished, people seem to be reaching. Problem is that when their complaints are placed within the context of gaming as a whole, it's actually not uncommon. So, really, they're just being hyper-sensitive to a single game.

Turrican187 · January 2016

Erillion said:

Sorry, that is not what he said. Which also means the thread title is incorrect.

[...]

It’s definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with. By the time we got it to the level we said ”Okay you guys can play this.”
[...]

The Question is: Does the "FPS only" Module will be released before or after private servers.

Brenics · January 2016

Sad what CR said there, because a lot of backers put money in for Star Marine and now they are saying no refunds but it's ok you will get Star Marine in SC. < That is not what people gave money for!

Roin · January 2016

CrazKanuk said:

rpmcmurphy said:

By that time the major complaint will probably be that he's too British.

Oh I believe that could happen.

Give me time to work on my forum pvp skill set. Oddly enough I think I've hung around the SC forums and read post by two people in particular. That has shown me, that maybe being an asshole is fun. Think it has helped me move a step closer to understanding some of the ridiculous threads they start. It's all about being an "ass".

Broken.Arrow · January 2016

Turrican187 said:

In the latest 10FTC CR says that Star Marine has officially been delivered! So Have Fun!

https://youtu.be/GGreb21dKdg?t=18m34s

Basically by the look of 2.1 they scrapped Illfonics work alltogether, whats in the game is the Cryengine basic shooter + ragdoll

[mod edit]

The Question is: Does the "FPS only" Module will be released before or after private servers.

Roin · January 2016

Broken.Arrow said:

Turrican187 said:

In the latest 10FTC CR says that Star Marine has officially been delivered! So Have Fun!

https://youtu.be/GGreb21dKdg?t=18m34s

Basically by the look of 2.1 they scrapped Illfonics work alltogether, whats in the game is the Cryengine basic shooter + ragdoll

Turrican187 I find it rather hilarious that the SC shills and fantards always try to steer away from directly replying to your points. Whenever you bring out the pertinent points on how CR is dropping the ball on this project with factual game development issues from a developer's experience, they either shut up, try to cover/derail your points with some off topic cover fire or start bringing asinine analogies to help their case (like comparing crowdfunding a pipedream to walking into a McD and purchasing a burger...damn that was priceless).

I see that the derailing has already begun and the self righteous white knight circle jerking parade isnt too far away.

But here is a free bump for question which is in the risk of getting buried by the incoming shilling+white knight fantarding combo:

The Question is: Does the "FPS only" Module will be released before or after private servers.

Better question why ask that HERE and not on the official SC forums? Last I checked none of us were CR, none of us were CIG employees, and none of us have seen CR/RSI/CIG employee in this forum at any point.

Could you also show us on this doll. Where the bad game touched you?

AnnaTS · January 2016

Could you also show us on this doll. Where the bad game touched you?

This was inappropriate what has a tactic they use when children have been sexually assaulted got to do with what they posted unless your trying to say they are acting like a child who has been sexually assaulted ?

whisperwynd · January 2016

AnnaTS said:

Could you also show us on this doll. Where the bad game touched you?

This was inappropriate what has a tactic they use when children have been sexually assaulted got to do with what they posted unless your trying to say they are acting like a child who has been sexually assaulted ?

It's an apt comparison as the poster replied to just logs in and jumps on the bandwagon of hate all the while condescendingly insulting the fans of a game. A stupid game.
How delusional are some of you to think it really matters whether this game will be as good or as bad as it might be to those..and get his..WHO DON'T EVEN FOLLOW THE GAME.
It's confounding that vitriol and effort is put into smearing something you have no intention of playing. Let the ones who put money into this game lose it if that's will happen and learn a lesson.

It'd be real funny if it wasn't so sad

randomt · January 2016

People as long as I have been on gaming forums have been dissing games they aren't interested in or feel slighted because the game doesn't tailor to their particular desires. The best option is to not even bother responding to those people.. They are just looking for an audience to vent.

Mirathel · January 2016

Meh. SC 2.1 already has fps in place, hell you can even go find a weapon lying around and just shoot at people running around the space station. Not going to be too long before we see something fleshed out with SM.

huntersam · January 2016

with this amount of forum PVP before the game relases , i think i will have to stock up on the pop corn for release

Turrican187 · January 2016

Mirathel said:

Meh. SC 2.1 already has fps in place, hell you can even go find a weapon lying around and just shoot at people running around the space station. Not going to be too long before we see something fleshed out with SM.

That's exactly what CR said, unfortunately a raycast and simple damage module with a trigger (an unweighted) ragdoll on HP < 1 is a day work in Cry.

He also said boarding is in the game, either he doesn't play his own game or the development did a work around without letting him know. Nevertheless; the pilot becomes the ship in the moment he is using the pilots seat and is invulnerable (because the player damage model is not dragged over to the new state).

The complete StarMarine campaign was a license to print money, they said "Release of Star Marine in a few weeks" in march and every update after that > more hype; until late summer 2015 when they wanted to give a weekly update, which they scrapped after 3 weeks and then silence.
Now CR says that he is annoyed by the overhyped (by CIG) people that are asking for Star Marine and to end the discussion he just notes that the full functionality (shooting and boarding) is implemented in SC (felt like a magic patch). They just ignore all promises from the last year and the customers feel betrayed.

And as a cherry on top, Ortwin is a lawyer (specialised on entertainment law) in a key position and CIG never ever checked for a trademark on the game modules name?

TL;DR They overpromised to increase the money flow which is a thing you should never ever do in game development. And if you do and have to rudder back, you should apologize or offer a refund to your customers.

TheYear1500 · January 2016

Erillion said:

adamlotus75 said:

100 planets of content is obviously 1 planet you can go to 100 times!

ARK Starmap:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap

Have fun

Not actual representation of the game or game play. yay you just linked a web app.

Erillion · January 2016

TheYear1500 said:

Erillion said:

adamlotus75 said:

100 planets of content is obviously 1 planet you can go to 100 times!

ARK Starmap:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap

Have fun

Not actual representation of the game or game play. yay you just linked a web app.

I posted the link to show that there will be more than 1 planet, more than one system. And we have already seen locations and gameplay from various systems, not only Stanton. Only recently Nyx has been highlighted.

There is quite a bit of information and art already on the various systems (from the pages of the "Jump Point" magazine - you can find it in the SC Wikipedia too).

Have fun

TheYear1500 · January 2016

Erillion said:

TheYear1500 said:

Erillion said:

adamlotus75 said:

100 planets of content is obviously 1 planet you can go to 100 times!

ARK Starmap:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap

Have fun

Not actual representation of the game or game play. yay you just linked a web app.

I posted the link to show that there will be more than 1 planet, more than one system. And we have already seen locations and gameplay from various systems, not only Stanton. Only recently Nyx has been highlighted.

There is quite a bit of information and art already on the various systems (from the pages of the "Jump Point" magazine - you can find it in the SC Wikipedia too).

Have fun

Ah but you didn't show that there was more then one system, because you linked a web app. There is only one system in game. That map is not in game, nor is it representative of the current game. CIG can say there will be more but it could easly be dropped, like Private servers, Modding, Co-op, and SM have all been dropped.

So again, do you want to post actual game information or are you going to keep spreading misinformation?

Edit: Nyx is a single location, that they showed some of, and is the Hand Crafted elements CIG plopped into their procedural tech video to hid the crappy procedural tech. So out of 100+ system, and 400+ locations, we have parts of a single system, and some basic stuff for a single other location.

So to recap, after 4 years of development, we have parts of a system (no location is finished or even close), and a single location (not close to finished) not in that system. How long do you think its going to take them to finish that system and the 100+ others?

Erillion · January 2016

TheYear1500 said:

like Private servers,

--> Still in.

Modding,

--> Still in.

Co-op,

--> Still in.

and SM

--> Still in.

have all been dropped.

--> Incorrect.

Edit: Nyx is a single location,

--> More to come, see below.

that they showed some of, and is the Hand Crafted elements CIG plopped into their procedural tech video to hid the crappy procedural tech. So out of 100+ system, and 400+ locations, we have parts of a single system, and some basic stuff for a single other location.

--> Nyx Summary

--> Lets not forget Shubin mining station (various systems)

--> Lets not forget the Mining Rig with the Spider Bots (most likely in Odin System)

--> Then mobile locations like capital ships ("The Morrow Tour", initially Odin System)

--> Have fun

TheYear1500 · January 2016

Erillion said:

TheYear1500 said:

like Private servers,

--> Still in.

Modding,

--> Still in.

Co-op,

--> Still in.

and SM

--> Still in.

have all been dropped.

--> Incorrect.

Edit: Nyx is a single location,

--> More to come, see below.

that they showed some of, and is the Hand Crafted elements CIG plopped into their procedural tech video to hid the crappy procedural tech. So out of 100+ system, and 400+ locations, we have parts of a single system, and some basic stuff for a single other location.

--> Nyx Summary

--> Lets not forget Shubin mining station (various systems)

--> Lets not forget the Mining Rig with the Spider Bots (most likely in Odin System)

--> Then mobile locations like capital ships ("The Morrow Tour", initially Odin System)

--> Have fun

Modding: Dropped,
Privet Servers: Dropped,
Co-Op: Dropped,
SM: Dropped,

Again, they have showed next to nothing after 4 years of development. After all this is what SM used to look like.

Yet that didn't happen.

--> Then mobile locations like capital ships ("The Morrow Tour", initially Odin System)

I love this video, it does not show mobile locations, has some of the worse animations and char models I have ever seen (well not if you compare it to a 2005 game), and does not show any gameplay. All the while being very buggy.

Galvan · January 2016

According to the Statement, Errillion has given about Private Servers:
The opposite statement was from the Community Manager. Please note the date (10 01 16)
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/40i9ml/disco_lando_on_starcast_108_private_servers_are/

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