New technology is always over priced upon initial release. It will go down considerably after the "pioneers" have been drained of their money.
"Patience" is always the best tactic to employ whenever new technology is released to the mainstream.
Agree. God bless the pioneers though. They definitely play a major role in getting things past the initial shock stages of new tech. I remember... cough... heard about VCRs and how much they cost when they came out.
New technology is always over priced upon initial release. It will go down considerably after the "pioneers" have been drained of their money.
"Patience" is always the best tactic to employ whenever new technology is released to the mainstream.
Agree. God bless the pioneers though. They definitely play a major role in getting things past the initial shock stages of new tech. I remember... cough... heard about VCRs and how much they cost when they came out.
I can recall the first time somoene told me 'google is going to make a smart phone and the OS is going to be based on a linux kernal' I told them that would fail for sure.
turns out I could not have been more wrong. Tech constantly surprises us and I used to think gamers were on the cutting edge of that, could tell by reading forums
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Oculus Rift is Overpriced and In Trouble - MMORPG.com News
Oculus made a splash by opening up pre-orders this week and unveiling their retail price at $599, substantially more than Palmer Luckey's September "in the ballpark" of $350 quote. While many gamers are gleeful that virtual reality will soon be arriving in their very own living rooms, our RPG columnist is concerned. Is $600 just too much?
Read the full story here
A day before the pre-order I saw two articles basically title 'there is no way pre-orders will sell out says Palmer'
they did sell out in 2 hours.
now on paper i agree 1000000% with what people are saying that the price is to high but until I see some hard evidence that counters the evidence i have described above it appears to me that the public is ready
They did do good on the first day. But remember.. Most of those pre-orders were made by devs and enthusiasts. Also, they have a free cancellation policy. My guess is that many pre-ordered to keep a spot in line and will decide later (after they see Vive next month for example) on when and if they actually are going to spend that money or not.
Mykell said:
I remember when the first Pentium PC's came out and cost as much as a small car. It never stopped them taking off and becoming mainstream. By comparison the Rift is cheap.
650,- trust me i remember, bought First Pentium MMX166Mhz in europe :P
And anyways they cant be sould out since they need to make them first.
Or did somoneone who bought one have it already ?
Nah u need to wait for months since "they need to make them first"
Zzzzzz....
Just your typical 'scan the general forums of MMORPG.com, take the hottest debated topic on hand, regurgitate the same stuff being said, slap a bait title to it, and post it as some sort of earth shattering revelation news article'.
You heard it hear folks, we, the flamers and the haters of MMORPG.com ARE the news! Come on, we can drive the entire focus of this site merely by getting into a heated debate over the superfluous!
More inclined to think that sony's device more likely to become mainstream because they can justify selling hardware more cheaply and profiting from games sales that utilise the tech.
I imagine software developers for oculus facepalming when they heard the price. It may be hard to justify development costs if there is only a small section consumers who want to or can justify paying that much.
Higher cost of oculus lower incentive to develop apps that utilise it imo.
Rzep said:
The Oculus Rift is expensive but it is not over priced. It is also unlikely to be in trouble. People who thought it would be cheaper were naive, me included. This is not a console, this is a new piece of tech and it will not sell millions in the first year. Even if it was cheaper it would not sell millions. The only way VR can fail is if developers don't support it and it seems that so far they are plenty of them very interested in VR.
Anyway early adopters always pay more. That is the case with just about everything, especially when it comes to games.
The problem with this ultimately comes down to the fact that companies won't be "that interested" in developing VR software related things (games etc) unless there is an actual install base for these types of devices. When you hit a price point where mass adoption is going to be a problem either your competitors will create the market and leave you out of the dust, or everyone else will follow suit on similar pricing structures and kill a potential industry in its infancy.
Basically they have priced themselves out of mass adoption until they can get the device down in price from a production standpoint and if they are already working on things to get into production again in 2 years (as someone else stated) production ramp up for the current line is unlikely to happen and given if they are adopting newer things the next iteration coming to soon could make it even more prohibitively pricey pricing them even further into the niche category.
Some other things of note to people. Selling out means little when there are people on ebay willing to foot the bill so they can sell at a much higher price if production volume is indeed an issue etc. Also to note the Nexus 4 and 5 sold out relatively fast, often it is due to low amount of units actually manufactured to prevent overall issues with having a large back storage of supply with little demand as well as to build hype. They are not going to produce more units than they need in all likelihood
Oculus Rift is Overpriced and In Trouble - MMORPG.com News
Oculus made a splash by opening up pre-orders this week and unveiling their retail price at $599, substantially more than Palmer Luckey's September "in the ballpark" of $350 quote. While many gamers are gleeful that virtual reality will soon be arriving in their very own living rooms, our RPG columnist is concerned. Is $600 just too much?
Read the full story here
A day before the pre-order I saw two articles basically title 'there is no way pre-orders will sell out says Palmer'
they did sell out in 2 hours.
now on paper i agree 1000000% with what people are saying that the price is to high but until I see some hard evidence that counters the evidence i have described above it appears to me that the public is ready
They did do good on the first day. But remember.. Most of those pre-orders were made by devs and enthusiasts. Also, they have a free cancellation policy. My guess is that many pre-ordered to keep a spot in line and will decide later (after they see Vive next month for example) on when and if they actually are going to spend that money or not.
true
however, Gear VR innovators edition sold out its first day and Gear VR full release edition sold out its first day too.
Now one could rightfully aruge that one would think that by the third time they would have a better feel for the demand and therefore it (could) be a ploy however most people here are saying it is a poly as a fact. rather than a could
I think its too early to say its a smashing success but I DONT think its too early to say declaring it will fail is very premature given what we know now.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Of course they sold out, people go bankrupt all the time, doesn't mean nothing. I was interested in buying at a 350 MAYBE 400$ price range. But 600? For basically no games? Yeah I'm pretty sure I can wait a couple of years when it's cheaper, that's just stupid.
Of course they sold out, people go bankrupt all the time, doesn't mean nothing. I was interested in buying at a 350 MAYBE 400$ price range. But 600? For basically no games? Yeah I'm pretty sure I can wait a couple of years when it's cheaper, that's just stupid.
I respect your view but I do feel a need to correct you on something
they have 176 games and 100 planned for this year and yes...some of them are AAA quality
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I've always wondered what engineers designed this? Honestly if they would put a counter weight on the back of the headset to balance it out so that it doesn't pull your face forward it would help to alleviate some of the neck problems.
I cant disagree with this article. This isnt the first article I ran into that speaks about needing "That" spec to run and that not many PCs in relation to total number are setup for that type of power.
Can you please change that title to something better that matches the article? the way it is now makes it sound like it's currently in trouble. When in fact this is speculation on how people might not buy it based on price. There is no way to tell how many people might or might not buy something like this and there is no links pointing to sales to say that it is in trouble.$600 seems like a lot to some, but to others it's pocket change. It needs to be changed from "is in trouble" to something like "could end up in trouble." To avoid confusion with the actual contents of the article.
That or provide the article/proof showing that it currently is in trouble (ie in the red and going further, or in the black and falling)
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Mykell said:
I remember when the first Pentium PC's came out and cost as much as a small car. It never stopped them taking off and becoming mainstream. By comparison the Rift is cheap.
You seriously comparing a CPU to a head mounted display?
Lets see what the head mounted display can do:
1. Display exactly the same as a Monitor.
2. You move your head and the in game camera moves.
3. ... *crickets*
Let's see what a CPU can do:
1. Do we really have to get into this?
2. NO seriously, do i have to list the 1,000,000,000 things a CPU can do?
3. ... EVERYTHING!
1. They are both pieces of advanced technology.
2. At the time i bought a Pentium PC most everyone else around me thought i was crazy spending that type of money (and i might have been) but because people like me did buy Pentium PC's they came down in price so more people started buying them etc etc.
3. I can name numerous pieces of technology that cost a lot, like DVD players costing $1000 which are now nearly worthless, that started expensive and always came down in price. Its a pretty easy to see pattern imo.
I've always wondered what engineers designed this? Honestly if they would put a counter weight on the back of the headset to balance it out so that it doesn't pull your face forward it would help to alleviate some of the neck problems.
its not that heavy but yes there is a strap that goes around your head and some of the parts are in the back with that in mind.
That said, as a motorcycle rider myself who wears a helment I find these concerns of injury from a HMD sitting at your desk down right hysterical
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Can you please change that title to something better that matches the article? the way it is now makes it sound like it's currently in trouble. When in fact this is speculation on how people might not buy it based on price. There is no way to tell how many people might or might not buy something like this and there is no links pointing to sales to say that it is in trouble.$600 seems like a lot to some, but to others it's pocket change. It needs to be changed from "is in trouble" to something like "could end up in trouble." To avoid confusion with the actual contents of the article.
That or provide the article/proof showing that it currently is in trouble (ie in the red and going further, or in the black and falling)
yeah pretty much the worst article even. In fact reading it I found an error in the first or second paragraph, it says it comes with Eve: Valrkie and 'many others'....no...1 other game not many or even other(s)
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It's way overpriced. Oculus was supposed to pave the way for VR, but greed will end up killing the movement before it gets started.
Other VR headsets will be cheaper, but the average person only knows about Oculus Rift and think it's synonymous with VR. Once they see the price, they won't even give it a second look.
Can you please change that title to something better that matches the article? the way it is now makes it sound like it's currently in trouble. When in fact this is speculation on how people might not buy it based on price. There is no way to tell how many people might or might not buy something like this and there is no links pointing to sales to say that it is in trouble.$600 seems like a lot to some, but to others it's pocket change. It needs to be changed from "is in trouble" to something like "could end up in trouble." To avoid confusion with the actual contents of the article.
That or provide the article/proof showing that it currently is in trouble (ie in the red and going further, or in the black and falling)
The fuck are you talking about? 600$ to most of the world is alot, someone lives in a 1st world country and can't look at the big picture...
Can you please change that title to something better that matches the article? the way it is now makes it sound like it's currently in trouble. When in fact this is speculation on how people might not buy it based on price. There is no way to tell how many people might or might not buy something like this and there is no links pointing to sales to say that it is in trouble.$600 seems like a lot to some, but to others it's pocket change. It needs to be changed from "is in trouble" to something like "could end up in trouble." To avoid confusion with the actual contents of the article.
That or provide the article/proof showing that it currently is in trouble (ie in the red and going further, or in the black and falling)
The fuck are you talking about? 600$ to most of the world is alot, someone lives in a 1st world country and can't look at the big picture...
Lol $600 is not a lot for the next evolution in gaming. Your iPhone 6s is worth that much.
Can you please change that title to something better that matches the article? the way it is now makes it sound like it's currently in trouble. When in fact this is speculation on how people might not buy it based on price. There is no way to tell how many people might or might not buy something like this and there is no links pointing to sales to say that it is in trouble.$600 seems like a lot to some, but to others it's pocket change. It needs to be changed from "is in trouble" to something like "could end up in trouble." To avoid confusion with the actual contents of the article.
That or provide the article/proof showing that it currently is in trouble (ie in the red and going further, or in the black and falling)
The fuck are you talking about? 600$ to most of the world is alot, someone lives in a 1st world country and can't look at the big picture...
Lol $600 is not a lot for the next evolution in gaming. Your iPhone 6s is worth that much.
A nice TV is $600. The difference is looking at this like it's a Toy or a cutting edge technological device.
Lol, Oculus Rift opened it's doors on 6 JAN, and already they are in trouble. Gotta love this. At least give it a week.... a week before the doom hammer falls.
Lol, Oculus Rift opened it's doors on 6 JAN, and already they are in trouble. Gotta love this. At least give it a week.... a week before the doom hammer falls.
This. Let's ignore what Oculus is actually saying and put out an opinion piece that is poorly researched and has no facts to back up the claim 'In Trouble.' C'mon MMORPG.com I expect better of you. The article could of been just an TLDR post on the forums.
Oculus Rift is Overpriced and In Trouble - MMORPG.com News
Oculus made a splash by opening up pre-orders this week and unveiling their retail price at $599, substantially more than Palmer Luckey's September "in the ballpark" of $350 quote. While many gamers are gleeful that virtual reality will soon be arriving in their very own living rooms, our RPG columnist is concerned. Is $600 just too much?
Read the full story here
A day before the pre-order I saw two articles basically title 'there is no way pre-orders will sell out says Palmer'
they did sell out in 2 hours.
now on paper i agree 1000000% with what people are saying that the price is to high but until I see some hard evidence that counters the evidence i have described above it appears to me that the public is ready
They did do good on the first day. But remember.. Most of those pre-orders were made by devs and enthusiasts. Also, they have a free cancellation policy. My guess is that many pre-ordered to keep a spot in line and will decide later (after they see Vive next month for example) on when and if they actually are going to spend that money or not.
true
however, Gear VR innovators edition sold out its first day and Gear VR full release edition sold out its first day too.
Now one could rightfully aruge that one would think that by the third time they would have a better feel for the demand and therefore it (could) be a ploy however most people here are saying it is a poly as a fact. rather than a could
I think its too early to say its a smashing success but I DONT think its too early to say declaring it will fail is very premature given what we know now.
Yeah and now you can buy them for half price everywhere was 199,- now one can buy them everywhere for 99 :pleased: 199,- for just a galaxy s6 holder, kunda funny.
I predict Oculus is gone in 14 months. anyone wanna bet ? :P
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I self identify as a monkey.
turns out I could not have been more wrong. Tech constantly surprises us and I used to think gamers were on the cutting edge of that, could tell by reading forums
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I remember when the first Pentium PC's came out and cost as much as a small car. It never stopped them taking off and becoming mainstream. By comparison the Rift is cheap.
650,- trust me i remember, bought First Pentium MMX166Mhz in europe :P And anyways they cant be sould out since they need to make them first. Or did somoneone who bought one have it already ? Nah u need to wait for months since "they need to make them first" Zzzzzz....
You heard it hear folks, we, the flamers and the haters of MMORPG.com ARE the news! Come on, we can drive the entire focus of this site merely by getting into a heated debate over the superfluous!
I imagine software developers for oculus facepalming when they heard the price. It may be hard to justify development costs if there is only a small section consumers who want to or can justify paying that much.
Higher cost of oculus lower incentive to develop apps that utilise it imo.
The Oculus Rift is expensive but it is not over priced. It is also unlikely to be in trouble. People who thought it would be cheaper were naive, me included. This is not a console, this is a new piece of tech and it will not sell millions in the first year. Even if it was cheaper it would not sell millions. The only way VR can fail is if developers don't support it and it seems that so far they are plenty of them very interested in VR.
Anyway early adopters always pay more. That is the case with just about everything, especially when it comes to games.
The problem with this ultimately comes down to the fact that companies won't be "that interested" in developing VR software related things (games etc) unless there is an actual install base for these types of devices. When you hit a price point where mass adoption is going to be a problem either your competitors will create the market and leave you out of the dust, or everyone else will follow suit on similar pricing structures and kill a potential industry in its infancy.
Basically they have priced themselves out of mass adoption until they can get the device down in price from a production standpoint and if they are already working on things to get into production again in 2 years (as someone else stated) production ramp up for the current line is unlikely to happen and given if they are adopting newer things the next iteration coming to soon could make it even more prohibitively pricey pricing them even further into the niche category.
Some other things of note to people. Selling out means little when there are people on ebay willing to foot the bill so they can sell at a much higher price if production volume is indeed an issue etc. Also to note the Nexus 4 and 5 sold out relatively fast, often it is due to low amount of units actually manufactured to prevent overall issues with having a large back storage of supply with little demand as well as to build hype. They are not going to produce more units than they need in all likelihood
however, Gear VR innovators edition sold out its first day and Gear VR full release edition sold out its first day too.
Now one could rightfully aruge that one would think that by the third time they would have a better feel for the demand and therefore it (could) be a ploy however most people here are saying it is a poly as a fact. rather than a could
I think its too early to say its a smashing success but I DONT think its too early to say declaring it will fail is very premature given what we know now.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
So where is the whole in trouble part again? Because you said it was so as if based on facts, or is your opinion good enough to state it as if it was.
One of those articles is Bloomberg. According to Bloomberg they say Gartner Research firm report less than 1 percent of the 1.43 billion PC's will be able to use this tech. So yes, I think the price needs to come down so that the extra money can be used to upgrade or purchase capable PCs. Full article at Bloomberg... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-30/few-computers-are-powerful-enough-to-support-virtual-reality
That or provide the article/proof showing that it currently is in trouble (ie in the red and going further, or in the black and falling)
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Mykell said:
I remember when the first Pentium PC's came out and cost as much as a small car. It never stopped them taking off and becoming mainstream. By comparison the Rift is cheap.
You seriously comparing a CPU to a head mounted display?
Lets see what the head mounted display can do:
1. Display exactly the same as a Monitor.
2. You move your head and the in game camera moves.
3. ... *crickets*
Let's see what a CPU can do:
1. Do we really have to get into this?
2. NO seriously, do i have to list the 1,000,000,000 things a CPU can do?
3. ... EVERYTHING!
1. They are both pieces of advanced technology.
2. At the time i bought a Pentium PC most everyone else around me thought i was crazy spending that type of money (and i might have been) but because people like me did buy Pentium PC's they came down in price so more people started buying them etc etc.
3. I can name numerous pieces of technology that cost a lot, like DVD players costing $1000 which are now nearly worthless, that started expensive and always came down in price. Its a pretty easy to see pattern imo.
That said, as a motorcycle rider myself who wears a helment I find these concerns of injury from a HMD sitting at your desk down right hysterical
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Other VR headsets will be cheaper, but the average person only knows about Oculus Rift and think it's synonymous with VR. Once they see the price, they won't even give it a second look.
Lol $600 is not a lot for the next evolution in gaming. Your iPhone 6s is worth that much.
I self identify as a monkey.
199,- for just a galaxy s6 holder, kunda funny.
I predict Oculus is gone in 14 months.
anyone wanna bet ? :P