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You cannot allow something like this in a game based around gear and upgrades. I have to agree with the OP on this one. The people disagreeing couldn't be more wrong. They could try, but they would not succeed.
Seems kinda pointless to me, but then again I never understand why anyone would not play the game and just buy shit. Aren't games meant to be, y'know, played?
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At least in Sub games they actively for the most part ban or punish those that RWT to gain advantages.
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This game allows you to flip cash shop gear for gold. How is that different from buying gold with real money directly? I'll tell you how its different from p2w cash shop, in that the cash shop items give + to stats directly from the shop. cash shop p2w games give boosts crafting and exp. Just get your definitions straight.
I can't use faulty logic to say every MMO in existence is a MOBA, so why you should you use bad logic to call a game P2W when by the nature of your argument you are saying every game is P2W.
Step 1: Real Money converted to Gold (via gold seller)
Step 2: Gold converted to high level uber stat item on auction house
Step 1. Real Money converted cash shop currency
Step 2: cash shop currency converted to cash shop item
Step 3. cash shop item converted to gold
Step 4. gold converted to high level uber stat item on auction house
Step 1: Real Money converted to cash shop currency
Step 2: Cash shop currency converted to high level uber stat cash shop item (or exp bauble or craft exp bauble)
Is there really that much demand for costumes that plsyers will trade large sums of gold for them?
If too many players sell costumes, won't their value fall?
I asked the OP about obtaining the OGRE ring on his example, and he went off on a hyperbolic and unproven rant about enchanting success rates.
He's accused me of being in denial, (I'm not) of supporting this (I don't) because it's how EVE does it (It doesn't)
I just asked some basic questions to hone in on whether or not BD (which I won't be playing) is P2W or not, at least as how I and some others define it.
So far it doesn't seem to unless the enchant success rates really are as slight as the OP has suggested and in fact almost no one can or does succeed without using the cash shop.
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What usually happens is there will be suuuuuper rare in game items that sell for astronomical gold prices.
People who buy from the cash shop then resell are easily able to afford those super rare items. The rest, not so much.
Any mmorpg with a cash to gold conversion system is p2w on a fundamental level. The degree to which that p2w becomes real varies.
Because the "end game" in roughly a weeks playing time is to PvP. That's why people will pull their cards out to get an advantage because there is a secondary "leveling" to be done via enchanting your gear to make it more powerful.
I'm waiting/hoping for the announcement of a PvE server and then I'll take your stance. It won't matter to me if someone has the gear before me. When PvP enters the conversation that's when this kind of thing gets ugly.
This is incorrect unless comparing to the prototypical WoW model. It's the argument used by a few on the official forums and I don't buy it there either. There is more than enough content/mechanics for players to play in a non-OWPvP system. To add to this though the KR version already has more PvE added, heading here in due time.
Note: There would still be PvP, just not OWPvP.
Difference between classic P2W and P2F (pay to faster) that is one can get stuff with money and have fun today while you can play for free and with REASONABLE amount of time have same stuff like he did.
In classic P2W model free user will never catch up with paying folks because it is why it called P2W - if you pay you will win no matter or skill level or whatsoever.
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Oh, I'll be watching with interest because pending a PvE server or OWPvP toggle I'll be staying away from this one like AA. They did try PvE in other regions but NA specifically has a higher draw to PvE than the other regions they've tried it in. As far as the content itself, there's more to PvE than just killing monsters, though there is that too. Take a look at the node network, worker system, housing, crafting, hinting, fishing. Just getting to the stories surrounding a town takes effort. PA put a lot of work into BDO aside from just killing things though that has it's depth too. Getting that 20 enchant ain't going to happen overnight... unless you have a CC I guess
There seems to be a call for an open world sandbox MMO that doesn't force one to PvP. BDO has the mechanics, the depth, and the uniqueness IMO to fill this need.
Because only one person is going to do it? We'll see. We already have one title to look at to see what can happen though maybe BDO's coding is a little tighter and they won't be as bad off.
I have never seen whales stack up in one guild and call it "The Rich & The Careless". Spending $3K in a game at launch isn't something you'd see at every corner. You might never see one of those said whales. And one day you ran into one and he beat the crap out of you isn't going to be a very traumatizing event, it ain't your first death, and it's not permadeath. Again, why do you care?
The principal really, as I wouldn't involve myself in that scenario anyway. Go look at AA, there have been at least a few videos highlighting what can happen. While there is GvG and point to fight over ther fact there is OWPvP does mean a single person, or small group, could to very well depending on the power difference between enchant levels.
It's just funny to recall how shocked we all (well, some I guess) were about RMT a few years back because the "cost" should be for access to earn the items we needed. Fast forward to now and suddenly not only is it cool, but the justification is that it's no different than RMT!
It's more sad and entertaining than anything.
A true P2W game is where, the cash shop provides you with gear for cash directly, where they created that item out of nothing and when no one actually farmed/crafted it :P.
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Idea of creating an MMORPG without P2W & RMT sailed long ago.
If you're waiting for such game. Don't wait. It is not gonna come anytime soon.
Go play other genres of games and stay away from online games with cash shops, because whole REASON why companies makes those games nowadays is that they will be able to sell gameplay power via cash shop, even if it takes several "hoops"/
Ok let's go free to play (noooooooooooooo you're putting a cash shop in, PTW)