I don't think anyone hates the game. It's just interest.
-this is the largest crowd sourced game ever, $100 million -they are selling items for prices that I have never seen anyone try, $25,000 for some packages -the hype about this game is insane
I am extremely apprehensive, that's all.
The actual hate, would come if the game turns out to be a failure, and the people who spent thousands of $ on it, end up disappointed. I spent exactly 0$, and it will remain 0$, so it won't be coming from me.
you dont have to buy them you can get all that stuff after release for free
Yeah there's lots of depressing shit in the world. I'm sure even vacuum cleaners have their own scandals... but I'm not a vacuum cleaner hobbyist. I tend to pay more attention to the things that matter to me.
You can ignore sleaze in game development if you wish - it's your right to do so. But some of us don't like disturbing trends in P2W, gouging whales, over-focusing on raising money, etc.
Not that I blame fans of the game for pulling an ostrich and ignoring the many faults. Who wants to be brought down from their happy little fantasy place?
kind of morally inconsistent if you ask me.
You buy gas dont you? but you care more about accusations of illegal firing because of age more so that sponsored murder and war mongering.
ok well whatever bro
Morally inconsistent would be caring about one and not the other: I care about both... whereas the fans of this game seem to have blind spots.
There isnt enough hours in the day to care about both to be frank.
Having said all that, the idea behind the court system is that a society dosent want people just making claims without proof so with that, until these 7 or so employees file a lawsuit for illegal firing processes and until that case gets heard it could very easly all be a bunch of BS. that is what the court systems are designed for.
Does that make me morally inconsistent? yes but at least I dont pretend to be otherwise.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Yeah there's lots of depressing shit in the world. I'm sure even vacuum cleaners have their own scandals... but I'm not a vacuum cleaner hobbyist. I tend to pay more attention to the things that matter to me.
You can ignore sleaze in game development if you wish - it's your right to do so. But some of us don't like disturbing trends in P2W, gouging whales, over-focusing on raising money, etc.
Not that I blame fans of the game for pulling an ostrich and ignoring the many faults. Who wants to be brought down from their happy little fantasy place?
kind of morally inconsistent if you ask me.
You buy gas dont you? but you care more about accusations of illegal firing because of age more so that sponsored murder and war mongering.
ok well whatever bro
He's "morally inconsistent" because he posts on a gaming site that he sees issues with a game's development where you followed up with an off topic, out of context deflection to the oil industry, where he followed up with a response that's back on topic?
Talk about blatantly driving a conversation into a corner.
Yeah there's lots of depressing shit in the world. I'm sure even vacuum cleaners have their own scandals... but I'm not a vacuum cleaner hobbyist. I tend to pay more attention to the things that matter to me.
You can ignore sleaze in game development if you wish - it's your right to do so. But some of us don't like disturbing trends in P2W, gouging whales, over-focusing on raising money, etc.
Not that I blame fans of the game for pulling an ostrich and ignoring the many faults. Who wants to be brought down from their happy little fantasy place?
kind of morally inconsistent if you ask me.
You buy gas dont you? but you care more about accusations of illegal firing because of age more so that sponsored murder and war mongering.
ok well whatever bro
He's "morally inconsistent" because he posts on a gaming site that he sees issues with a game's development where you followed up with an off topic, out of context deflection to the oil industry, where he followed up with a response that's back on topic?
Talk about blatantly driving a conversation into a corner.
that is one way of saying it yes.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1. what I am calling hate appears to actually be a rather small minority and overall this game is not 'hated' as it were.
2. very ironically my intrest in the game which was had been shelved more than a year ago has been resparked and the re-spark began with me seeing a youtube front page about the escapest article. Last night I had watched a lot of videos and it looks to me like SC has made a lot of good progress lately. It miight be time for me to look more seriously into it and for that i have Escapist to thanks
The development is progressing at a steady pace.
The extremely vocal haters and provocateurs on these boards just don't bother to check on the game's progress which is displayed with almost full disclosure on SC's website on a weekly basis. After all, why have the details spoil a good story ? Instead they prefer to elaborate with unfounded BS like "look at the footage, they spend the money on expensive furniture and espresso machines".
You'e assuming that feelings about CIG should be about nothing other than how the game is coming along. Some people just dislike their business model. Is that not OK with you?
Disliking the business model is one thing. Trying to sanction said dislike with unfounded, comedy BS is something else.
He's "morally inconsistent" because he posts on a gaming site that he sees issues with a game's development where you followed up with an off topic, out of context deflection to the oil industry, where he followed up with a response that's back on topic?
Talk about blatantly driving a conversation into a corner.
that is one way of saying it yes.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Who's to say he doesn't already bring up issues with the oil industry on forums/public speakings/government hearings/etc?
This is a game forum where we are discussing issues/concerns/praises for video games. Talking about the oil industry on this forum is about as appropriate as going to your 12 year old cousins birthday party and then talking to everyone in the room how you did a mass of drugs last night and had a all night sex marathon with a complete stranger.
Ships don't need to be 1200$ Yet they are. The fact that people accept and buy it like that limits the entry for many players that aren't quite as over privileged...
He's "morally inconsistent" because he posts on a gaming site that he sees issues with a game's development where you followed up with an off topic, out of context deflection to the oil industry, where he followed up with a response that's back on topic?
Talk about blatantly driving a conversation into a corner.
that is one way of saying it yes.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Who's to say he doesn't already bring up issues with the oil industry on forums/public speakings/government hearings/etc?
This is a game forum where we are discussing issues/concerns/praises for video games. Talking about the oil industry on this forum is about as appropriate as going to your 12 year old cousins birthday party and then talking to everyone in the room how you did a mass of drugs last night and had a all night sex marathon with a complete stranger.
its funny how although I am a A-moralist with no moralbackbone at all which is something I admit. I at least am fairly honest and have a pretty good sense of character even in text
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Herein lies the problem, no one is telling you that you should care but you're awfully free with your advice in telling others that they shouldn't care. By all means use your perogative to care, or not care, as you please but you should at least extend that right to everyone else as well.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Herein lies the problem, no one is telling you that you should care but you're awfully free with your advice in telling others that they shouldn't care. By all means use your perogative to care, or not care, as you please but you should at least extend that right to everyone else as well.
what? sorry that didnt make any sense on any plane here..
anyway...the whole Escapsit article has backfired and it appears it has only added more curiousity into the project which is good for SC because most consumers are like myself, they just care about the product, not how its made
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
many of those who hide behind a veil are not aware that people can still see them. is that an accusation or just a proverb of truth? The latter is more important in the long run in life
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Herein lies the problem, no one is telling you that you should care but you're awfully free with your advice in telling others that they shouldn't care. By all means use your perogative to care, or not care, as you please but you should at least extend that right to everyone else as well.
Exactly... beginning with his OP it's obvious how much he wanted to moderate responses in a thread he started ostensibly asking a question. But hey, he's a self admitted honest guy
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
its funny how although I am a A-moralist with no moralbackbone at all which is something I admit. I at least am fairly honest and have a pretty good sense of character even in text
In case you were wondering, being amoral is not something to be proud of even if you're honest about it... just saying.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Herein lies the problem, no one is telling you that you should care but you're awfully free with your advice in telling others that they shouldn't care. By all means use your perogative to care, or not care, as you please but you should at least extend that right to everyone else as well.
Exactly... beginning with his OP it's obvious how much he wanted to moderate responses in a thread he started ostensibly asking a question. But hey, he's a self admitted honest guy
Now if only we could be as honest as we wanted in this forum without receiving a perma ban
You'e assuming that feelings about CIG should be about nothing other than how the game is coming along. Some people just dislike their business model. Is that not OK with you?
Disliking the business model is one thing. Trying to sanction said dislike with unfounded, comedy BS is something else.
So you're concerned with style of delivery not content... fair enough.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
The way I see it is there are 5 "Camps" that everybody fits into somewhere.
Camp 1 are the people who are absolutely fanatical about the game. These people follow every single thing that is released about this game and CIG in general. They are totally devoted to the development and are totally blind to anything negative about the game or CIG. Anything that is negative is attacked and dismissed by this group as if it doesn't exist. These people are most likely heavily invested into the game and have a lot to lose if it fails. There are only about 5 or 6 posters here that fall into this camp.
Camp 2 are the people who follow this game with great interest and most likely have at least one ship package. They take the good with the bad but mostly are willing to give CIG the chance to succeed or fail given enough time to complete the game. They will attack negativity if it has no basis in reality but are not as rabid about it as the people in camp 1. The vast majority of supporters fall into this camp.
Camp 3 are the people that are completely neutral about the game and CIG in general. They may or may not have at least one ship package but only really follow the development when it's thrust into the limelight by news organizations or they happen to see a current topic being discussed on the front page of a site they frequently visit. These people don't comment often but when they do the comments can swing both ways depending on what's being discussed. There are a lot of people in this group as well.
Camp 4 are the people that are apprehensive about the game or CIG in general. They usually admit that the game sounds awesome but are doubtful about it being completed as promised. Some of these people may have been in camp 2 at some point but some decision during development turned them into camp 4 residents. These people again may have a ship package dependent on whether they migrated here from camp 2 or not. Some in this camp just have an issue with crowd funding in general so they have been in this camp since the beginning. Most of these people don't necessarily want the game to fail but they are very doubtful about it's success as well. A hell of a lot of people reside in this camp as well.
Camp 5 are the people who are absolutely fanatical about the game failing. These
people follow every single thing that is released about this game and
CIG in general. They are totally devoted to the development and are
totally blind to anything positive about the game or CIG. Anything that
is positive is attacked and dismissed by this group as if it doesn't
exist. These people are most likely not invested into the game and
have nothing to lose if it fails. There are only about 5 or 6 posters here
that fall into this camp.
The vast majority of people are in Camps 2,3 and 4. Camps 1 and 5 are very small but also extremely vocal groups. Even though they represent a very small portion of the overall community the vast majority of posts are made by these people as their devotion to all things SC and CIG is paramount every time they come on line. They have a very unhealthy obsession with this game and company. Camps 1 and 5 are actually 2 sides of the same coin.
I personally would say I fall into Camp 2 at this point. What camp do you fit into?
I am a mix of 2, 3 and 4. I'm a backer, I follow the games development quite extensively, I would like them to succeed, I am very neutral about the game itself but apprehensive about CIG's capability, ie their game decisions and mechanics, as well as being apprehensive about individuals inside the company and finally their methods of targeted financing.
I am a mix of 2, 3 and 4. I'm a backer, I follow the games development quite extensively, I would like them to succeed, I am very neutral about the game itself but apprehensive about CIG's capability, ie their game decisions and mechanics, as well as being apprehensive about individuals inside the company and finally their methods of targeted financing.
Well I don't know you personally but from your posts here over a long period of time I see you as someone who started in camp 2 and over time have slowly migrated through camp 3 into camp 4. I don't have any issue with that as being a camp 2 resident myself I can admit that CIG does have it's faults. I just won't judge them until I see a finished product. I guess you would say I'm positive about the game and very neutral about CIG in general.
Well I don't know you personally but from your posts here over a long period of time I see you as someone who started in camp 2 and over time have slowly migrated through camp 3 into camp 4. I don't have any issue with that as being a camp 2 resident myself I can admit that CIG does have it's faults. I just won't judge them until I see a finished product. I guess you would say I'm positive about the game and very neutral about CIG in general.
Bren
That's fair enough considering the impression that I chose to give and the things I like to talk about. I can't say I'm a fan of pigeon-holing people as only being able to fit in one group though, I not a believer in that sort of rigidity.
Well I don't know you personally but from your posts here over a long period of time I see you as someone who started in camp 2 and over time have slowly migrated through camp 3 into camp 4. I don't have any issue with that as being a camp 2 resident myself I can admit that CIG does have it's faults. I just won't judge them until I see a finished product. I guess you would say I'm positive about the game and very neutral about CIG in general.
Bren
That's fair enough considering the impression that I chose to give and the things I like to talk about. I can't say I'm a fan of pigeon-holing people as only being able to fit in one group though, I not a believer in that sort of rigidity.
Well neither am I usually but I wanted to keep it to the least amount of groups as possible. I will admit that there are those that probably fit in between two of the camps. I just basically simplified it so it wouldn't read like a wall of text. What I was going to post originally was about twice as long.
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Having said all that, the idea behind the court system is that a society dosent want people just making claims without proof so with that, until these 7 or so employees file a lawsuit for illegal firing processes and until that case gets heard it could very easly all be a bunch of BS. that is what the court systems are designed for.
Does that make me morally inconsistent? yes but at least I dont pretend to be otherwise.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Talk about blatantly driving a conversation into a corner.
another way to say it is that I am not a moralist at all but if I were to start I wouldnt pick an industry that has very little impact on anything important
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
This is a game forum where we are discussing issues/concerns/praises for video games. Talking about the oil industry on this forum is about as appropriate as going to your 12 year old cousins birthday party and then talking to everyone in the room how you did a mass of drugs last night and had a all night sex marathon with a complete stranger.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Herein lies the problem, no one is telling you that you should care but you're awfully free with your advice in telling others that they shouldn't care.
By all means use your perogative to care, or not care, as you please but you should at least extend that right to everyone else as well.
anyway...the whole Escapsit article has backfired and it appears it has only added more curiousity into the project which is good for SC because most consumers are like myself, they just care about the product, not how its made
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
many of those who hide behind a veil are not aware that people can still see them. is that an accusation or just a proverb of truth? The latter is more important in the long run in life
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
In case you were wondering, being amoral is not something to be proud of even if you're honest about it... just saying.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Camp 1 are the people who are absolutely fanatical about the game. These people follow every single thing that is released about this game and CIG in general. They are totally devoted to the development and are totally blind to anything negative about the game or CIG. Anything that is negative is attacked and dismissed by this group as if it doesn't exist. These people are most likely heavily invested into the game and have a lot to lose if it fails. There are only about 5 or 6 posters here that fall into this camp.
Camp 2 are the people who follow this game with great interest and most likely have at least one ship package. They take the good with the bad but mostly are willing to give CIG the chance to succeed or fail given enough time to complete the game. They will attack negativity if it has no basis in reality but are not as rabid about it as the people in camp 1. The vast majority of supporters fall into this camp.
Camp 3 are the people that are completely neutral about the game and CIG in general. They may or may not have at least one ship package but only really follow the development when it's thrust into the limelight by news organizations or they happen to see a current topic being discussed on the front page of a site they frequently visit. These people don't comment often but when they do the comments can swing both ways depending on what's being discussed. There are a lot of people in this group as well.
Camp 4 are the people that are apprehensive about the game or CIG in general. They usually admit that the game sounds awesome but are doubtful about it being completed as promised. Some of these people may have been in camp 2 at some point but some decision during development turned them into camp 4 residents. These people again may have a ship package dependent on whether they migrated here from camp 2 or not. Some in this camp just have an issue with crowd funding in general so they have been in this camp since the beginning. Most of these people don't necessarily want the game to fail but they are very doubtful about it's success as well. A hell of a lot of people reside in this camp as well.
Camp 5 are the people who are absolutely fanatical about the game failing. These people follow every single thing that is released about this game and CIG in general. They are totally devoted to the development and are totally blind to anything positive about the game or CIG. Anything that is positive is attacked and dismissed by this group as if it doesn't exist. These people are most likely not invested into the game and have nothing to lose if it fails. There are only about 5 or 6 posters here that fall into this camp.
The vast majority of people are in Camps 2,3 and 4. Camps 1 and 5 are very small but also extremely vocal groups. Even though they represent a very small portion of the overall community the vast majority of posts are made by these people as their devotion to all things SC and CIG is paramount every time they come on line. They have a very unhealthy obsession with this game and company. Camps 1 and 5 are actually 2 sides of the same coin.
I personally would say I fall into Camp 2 at this point. What camp do you fit into?
Bren
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Just saying, because this is the camp I feel am in.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Bren
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That's fair enough considering the impression that I chose to give and the things I like to talk about.
I can't say I'm a fan of pigeon-holing people as only being able to fit in one group though, I not a believer in that sort of rigidity.
- Albert Einstein
"wait...they are selling virtual items for $25,000 ?!
and people are buying them?!
forget about the game, let's get some psychologists in here"
camp
Bren
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