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Restarting Everquest from scratch. 6 years till expected release. Why this franchise won't go away

SyndromofaDownSyndromofaDown Member UncommonPosts: 325
An Everquest game WILL be made. Whether it is NEXT or not. This is inevitable as if its going to rain on the earth even the deserts get rain though sparesly. My prediction is, if it gets started from scratch, there wasn't much assets to throw away anyway. The Research and developement would have paid off. The engine and tech will have been "reborn" much fitted for it's eventual release in 2020. Everquest and Everquest 2 was set for a 15-30 year plan with expansions pumping out and improvements made. It would be wise for Daybreak to release another EQ mmo now but if not now then somewhere 6-9 years down the line. But they will i can sense this franchise not going away...

We have to see farther than what the next year or bi annual thinking can bring. The EQ brand is all Daybreak has in the mmorpg scope being Daybreak's only fantasy mmo. Could they actually create another franchise after spending so much time putting it into Everquest? 
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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,910
    So you believe that Daybreak can afford to spend another 5-6 years developing the next EQ game, while surviving on the dwindling income generated by the ancient first two games in the franchise ?

    I doubt that very much. I do agree with your assertion that there WILL be another EQ game. However, you will quite probably be playing that game on your phone...
  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,130
    I do not see Daybreak making / releasing anything else to be honest.  Between all the layoff's and most of the head / lead guys moving on to other companies, I do not see Daybreak staying around for more then a year more tops.

    I imagine right now they are already shopping around the IP's / company to other potential buys. If a new Everquest is ever made it will be by a different company. Even if some insaneness happened and Daybreak managed to get Everquest Next or another Everquest done, it would be nothing like the original Everquest or even Everquest 2. All them old vets that made them games great have long sense moved onto other places / games.
  • ThebeastttThebeasttt Member RarePosts: 1,130
    Agreed. Daybreak's progress so far is non existent. Sadly that's still a step up from SoE tanking project after project for the past decade.
  • SyndromofaDownSyndromofaDown Member UncommonPosts: 325
    I personally don't think they will scrap EQNext well because of Landmark it would have to stand on its own game by then. There isn't a challenging mmo out there in the market on the scale that EQ was or is so i believe it would be wise to release a modern Everquest game as a popular niche. I also believe they could make another EQ mmo if they cease developement and start from scratch in the future. They can make an entirely new game out of it. Give it a different code and people would still be hyped up about it. Not brand recognition but by then Daybreak would be a different company in 2020...
  • SyndromofaDownSyndromofaDown Member UncommonPosts: 325
    I do not see Daybreak making / releasing anything else to be honest.  Between all the layoff's and most of the head / lead guys moving on to other companies, I do not see Daybreak staying around for more then a year more tops.

    I imagine right now they are already shopping around the IP's / company to other potential buys. If a new Everquest is ever made it will be by a different company. Even if some insaneness happened and Daybreak managed to get Everquest Next or another Everquest done, it would be nothing like the original Everquest or even Everquest 2. All them old vets that made them games great have long sense moved onto other places / games.
    They are making profit on all games. DCUO, Planetside 2 have been profitable the past year according to a smedley tweet PS2 just turned profitable last year. H1Z1 has made them at least 80 million usd and that's still in alpha. EQ and EQ2 have about 100k subscribers between the both of them considering 30k twitter followers for EQ and 27k followers for EQ2. Not to mention those games have turned positive since forever. Daybreak will survive the coming year as CN just built them a new central office building and will remain to keep their projects funded as long as they turn profitable.
  • SyndromofaDownSyndromofaDown Member UncommonPosts: 325
    edited December 2015
    They are coming out with a world war 2 mmo something in the line of the medal of honor series.
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    edited December 2015
    There isn't a challenging mmo out there in the market on the scale that EQ was or is so i believe it would be wise to release a modern Everquest game as a popular niche. I also believe they could make another EQ mmo if they cease developement and start from scratch in the future.

    I don't think that's an option for DGC and even if it was wouldn't be a path they would take, scraping EQN at least. By the time an "EQ3" could be done there would already be a few possible direct competitors (SoL, Pantheon, Smed's new MMO). Would a good EQ brand version gain a lot of attention even still? Of course but how much(?) and the risk would be iffy. The intention they have for what we know as EQN will have far less competition from a comparison standpoint, even without the AI they want. I know that some EQ fans would not agree because they don't like the deviation from the EQ/EQ2 model but EQN would be unique. Right now, in the stagnation that is released MMOs, EQN will gain attention all on it's own, the EQ brand will just magnify it.

    IMO for DGC this is the last shot they have of vaulting to the top, even though arguably hosting as many titles as they do they are up there anyway. I think the attention they got from the EQN/Landmark craze got them the CN buyout and they've now been given just enough to see EQN to the end while also keeping their other titles up.

    They no longer have the deep pockets of Sony to compensate scraping EQN for EQ3. However, if EQN does come out and is a hit this could explode DGC as a whole and make EQ3 a huge possibility. As it stands they could take the engine/mechanics of H1Z1 and have a fantastic looking EQ3 if they wanted.

    Side note: I wish they would change the name of EQN to Norrath Online and keep the next "EverQuest" tagline for EQ3.

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  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,088
    edited December 2015
    Making thread after thread trying to convince yourself or others that it's all going to be fine isn't going to impact the outcome at all.

    Check out Massively OP's poll for Biggest Disappointment of 2015, guess who's winning?

    #1 EQN Silence

    At this point that is what matters.

    Until DBG decides that ignoring fans isn't the best way to do it, we all have no clue what is happening or will.

    Maybe they'll surprise everyone and re-reveal a beta ready EQN next year, maybe they'll scrap it, maybe they won't say anything. What if, could, maybe, etc don't matter.

    Logically, I agree that EQN or another EQ will be released, what, when and will it be worth our time is unknown.

    What I do know is that if the tech/design falls flat, having EVERQUEST in giant lettering isn't going to make the game better.

    There have been plenty of games that have done horrible despite having a IP/Franchise attached.

    Would be wise of DB/CN to milk "EQ" as long as possible, but a name can only get them so far.

    Edit: Just to add, don't factor them moving locations to be proof of anything. A few years from now they could probably sell and make up the costs they put into it. I drove by yesterday and it does look nice, I'm sure another company wouldn't mind moving in.
  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    They are coming out with a world war 2 mmo something in the line of the medal of honor series.
    I hope it is a joke.
    They really didn't learn anything after Free Realms, Planetside 2, Landmark, H1Z1?
    They put EQNext on hold to make those "quality" games, and now they want to put it on hold again to make another flavor of the month game when all people want is EQNext?
    They must be either insane or permanently drunk.
    There is no other explanation.

  • SyndromofaDownSyndromofaDown Member UncommonPosts: 325
    Why are you attacking me Allein? Im trying to spread awareness. You and the others get caught up in convincing others its worse than it seems. I had no choice but to give some clarity to the situation. Its only been 2 months of radio silence and they have stated internal testing would take 7 months. Either way you are going to be wrong when the silence breaks and when they start releasing videos of gameplay you will see this negative energy you put out was a waste of time. 

    Anywho, Heroes of the storm is only popular through brand name and i would think EQ and related games would be as played as its predecesors. especially something that looks like this: 
  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    edited December 2015
    @SyndromofaDown

    Sorry that's not the look I am looking for EQNext (basically SWTOR with blades)
    If they make EQNext catering for teenagers like every game they did in the last 5 years, they better file for bankruptcy right now, don't even bother wasting more money on it.
    I genuinelly think Daybreak don't understand what is the actual demographic for the EQ IP.



    httpcdnwegotthiscoveredcomwp-contentuploadsPlanetside-2-13jpeg

    But talking specifically about graphics.
    They have a good Engine and good 3d Artists.
    Let the guys of Planetside 2 design the graphics and we might get somewhere.

  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,278
    ste2000 said:


    But talking specifically about graphics.
    They have a good Engine and good 3d Artists.
    Let the guys of Planetside 2 design the graphics and we might get somewhere.

    After laying off c.80% of the staff in the last 5-6 years - in addition to any staff turnover - I think that is a bold statement to make.
  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    edited December 2015
    Yeah I was going t add that comment, but I didn't want to be too negative on top of my negativity.
    I love to think there is still a chance even if really really slim.

  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 3,880
    The koolaid is strong with the OP
  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,088
    Why are you attacking me Allein? Im trying to spread awareness. You and the others get caught up in convincing others its worse than it seems. I had no choice but to give some clarity to the situation. Its only been 2 months of radio silence and they have stated internal testing would take 7 months. Either way you are going to be wrong when the silence breaks and when they start releasing videos of gameplay you will see this negative energy you put out was a waste of time. 

    Anywho, Heroes of the storm is only popular through brand name and i would think EQ and related games would be as played as its predecesors. especially something that looks like this: 
    I'm not attacking you. Simply pointing out that you've made 9 threads in a row that basically say the same thing.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything and to think you, I, or anyone else will is silly. None of us have any clue what is really going on, hence why I said making numerous threads won't impact anything.

    They've been fairly silent about EQN for over a year unless a handful of concept art is "news" to you. Beyond that they've discussed fan creations and said they are internally testing combat. That's about it I believe.

    When did they say internal testing would take 7 months?

    I truly hope I'm wrong and they have something of worth to show at some point, but currently it's your assumption vs mine vs everyone else's.

    Quoting numbers and articles from years ago, especially about other products has little to do with the current time nor what they are actually doing inside the studio.

    You seem legit, but almost appear to be someone trolling to get a reaction from others. But I'll assume you simply want the game to do well and if so, I'm right there with you.

    As of now, you aren't spreading "awareness" or bringing "clarity" you are stating your opinion which is not fact, just like the rest of us.

    HotS is popular because like all Blizzard games, it is accessible, but of course the name doesn't hurt.

    EQN doesn't really appeal to fans of EQ games, has little in common mechanics wise and it would only be for the IP elements which many even say are being ruined. It is meant to appeal to a wider audience, not EQ loyalists. Regardless, they could call it whatever they want and have no connection to EQ, but if it is made well and entertaining, people will play it.

    But we'll have to wait until they feel they have something to show. When that time comes, we can see who was right or wrong and who's energy was wasted or not. We are discussing video games, pretty sure it's all a waste =)

    Pixels, serious business.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,146
    OP - SoE has gone through 3 iterations of EQNEXT before acquisition.

    Now we know that Daybreak is going through major feature changes so the 4th iteration is undergoing major issues, the chance of them scrapping and starting from scratch are zero at this point.
  • GeezerGamerGeezerGamer Member EpicPosts: 8,767
    edited December 2015
    EverQuest?
    NEXT!
  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 5,717
    Something, eventually, will be released as Everquest Next. I don't know what that something will be, or when. But it's a good IP with market value. 

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • SlothnChunkSlothnChunk Member UncommonPosts: 788
    An Everquest game WILL be made. Whether it is NEXT or not. This is inevitable as if its going to rain on the earth even the deserts get rain though sparesly. My prediction is, if it gets started from scratch, there wasn't much assets to throw away anyway. The Research and developement would have paid off. The engine and tech will have been "reborn" much fitted for it's eventual release in 2020. Everquest and Everquest 2 was set for a 15-30 year plan with expansions pumping out and improvements made. It would be wise for Daybreak to release another EQ mmo now but if not now then somewhere 6-9 years down the line. But they will i can sense this franchise not going away...

    We have to see farther than what the next year or bi annual thinking can bring. The EQ brand is all Daybreak has in the mmorpg scope being Daybreak's only fantasy mmo. Could they actually create another franchise after spending so much time putting it into Everquest? 
    Interesting....considering in another post I essentially made the same argument and you had numerous posts disagreeing with me.  I suppose you released how unlikely it was Everquest Next, as announced by SOE in 2013, was ever going to get released.

    And another Everquest game of course will be made, but if Daybreak makes it it will likely be a mobile/tablet game if anything.  The best hope for EQN fans is Daybreak selling off the franchise (which I actually think is actively being set up by Daybreak based on their going dark on EQN combined with additional content to both existing EQ MMOs).
  • SlothnChunkSlothnChunk Member UncommonPosts: 788
    DMKano said:
    OP - SoE has gone through 3 iterations of EQNEXT before acquisition.

    Now we know that Daybreak is going through major feature changes so the 4th iteration is undergoing major issues, the chance of them scrapping and starting from scratch are zero at this point.
    Exactly why I would argue EQN was never actually in development under Daybreak.  Daybreak likely saw the mess EQN development was in (and had been for years) with little to show for all the millions (possibly tens of millions) spent.

    Daybreaks parent company, CN, likely saw the quagmire EQN actually was and likely never greenlite the funding needed to complete it (as announced by SOE in 2013).  I suspect their long-term goal is to sell off the Everquest franchise; main reason why they've gone completely dark on EQN while simultaneously provided small content two both existing Everquest MMOs.
  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    ste2000 said:
    @SyndromofaDown

    Sorry that's not the look I am looking for EQNext (basically SWTOR with blades)
    If they make EQNext catering for teenagers like every game they did in the last 5 years, they better file for bankruptcy right now, don't even bother wasting more money on it.
    I genuinelly think Daybreak don't understand what is the actual demographic for the EQ IP.

    But talking specifically about graphics.
    They have a good Engine and good 3d Artists.
    Let the guys of Planetside 2 design the graphics and we might get somewhere.

    Eh, too many assumptions. Graphic styles have nothing to do with age or maturity and does anyone really know what "EQ fans" would prefer? I mean we can all have our own preferences but applying them to the whole of a group we identify with is a known unknown.

    Even still, as I said above I think that they should call EQN "Norrath Online" and use H1Z1 as an EQ3 prototype down the road when, hopefully, EQN is a hit and provides DGC with the overhead for it.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    ste2000 said:
    But talking specifically about graphics.
    They have a good Engine ....

    ...whcih was completely hacked on day 1 of release
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 16,446
    OP...
    I feel you are thinking in terms of SOE and this is no longer SOE.I can't talk about the guys who actually run the business but i am more than certain the owner knows little of gaming in general and wouldn't care if another EQ came out or not.

    I feel they are scurrying to put out a very half ass version of Next to keep money flow.However i feel this is a constant grind with DB,i do not feel they are making enough money to keep the business going beyond another year.SO they will either try to resell the business or just keep rushing out unfinished work in hopes people keep buying it,which is low overhead and high profit %.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    DMKano said:
    OP - SoE has gone through 3 iterations of EQNEXT before acquisition.

    Now we know that Daybreak is going through major feature changes so the 4th iteration is undergoing major issues, the chance of them scrapping and starting from scratch are zero at this point.
    Exactly why I would argue EQN was never actually in development under Daybreak.  Daybreak likely saw the mess EQN development was in (and had been for years) with little to show for all the millions (possibly tens of millions) spent.

    Daybreaks parent company, CN, likely saw the quagmire EQN actually was and likely never greenlite the funding needed to complete it (as announced by SOE in 2013).  I suspect their long-term goal is to sell off the Everquest franchise; main reason why they've gone completely dark on EQN while simultaneously provided small content two both existing Everquest MMOs.


    When you take into consideration all of the completed racial LM contests (six I think?) they have a lot of entities to work with on top of what they are working on internally. EQN from a mechanical standpoint, in large part, is already complete as Landmark. There is no logical reason why DGC would scrap EQN now, if the team has been working on it this whole time it's pretty far along. I think the AI issues and uncertainly is why they've been so silent. A known unknown will do that in project management.

    The second part I disagree with and actually think the opposite. The hype surrounding the EQN/Landmark reveal was huge and the preorders for Landmark proved that. It become known that SoE was shopping itself around at that time because they knew the Sony days were numbered. The buzz surrounding the next EQ iteration I think is what got them the CN deal.

    I think CN will allow DGC to finish EQN, intended design or not. Those hoping for a premiere EQ3 should be hoping for EQN to succeed because IMO it's the only way it will become a reality.

  • NanfoodleNanfoodle Member EpicPosts: 7,740
    All I know is DGC told us 2015 was going to be the year of EQN, not sure what that means with 2 weeks left in the year and as far as I can see, not any new info to mention. 



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