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Whats your thoughts on this "Top 10 Reasons MMORPG's Die" break down?
MMOExposed
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Whats your thoughts on this "Top 10 Reasons MMORPG's Die" break down?
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
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All his points are valid and i am sure there are many more.It kind of tells us that there are many reasons why a game will rub people the wrong way and chances are given so many bad ideas in these games they are bound to piss a high majority off.
The comical part is that many people know or have a good idea they won't like a certain game but go out and buy it anyhow,then of course quit within a few weeks.
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Philosophy of MMO Game Design
I think this is pretty clear. If you look at trends of online games: MOBAs, instanced pvp, shooters and so on .... and not even Blizz is going to make another classical type MMORPG.
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In this day and age of f2p, demos and refunds, no one needs to pay for anything they do not like.
I don't understand............aren't SWTOR, ESO, Tera or Archeage MMORPGs?
Why you say he is not talking about MMORPGs?
Can you clarify it?
And for your info MMORPGs are still popular and will remain so, though not as popular as other type of game but they are.
Player got more demanding though, so they will not invest in any "copy & paste" MMORPGs, there are already hundreds out there, that's why they fail, not because people stopped liking the genre.
There is always room for original ideas, look at Star Citizen, $100 raised for its new ideas which are still mainly on paper.
Reason why at the moment the market is stagnant is because there are too many MMORPGs for the size of the market.
So you either come up with something original or you fail.
Imo mmos are not dying. The genre is just going through it's greatest crisis thus far, is all. That's why, in the upcoming years, we're gonna see few to none major western releases and all the new ones will be either ks projects catering to niche crowds or korean transitions. While at the same time everyone and their mother will be trying to grab a piece of the moba market.
After a few years when the dust will have settled down and the moba genre will be facing the exact same problems, the mmo market will begin to flourish again. I'm not a fortunteller or an economics analyst or anything, just my 2 cents on the matter. Cheers.
Online shooters (whether you call them MMOs or not) are still popular. In fact, Blizz is jumping into this market.
CCGs are also popular thanks to Blizz & MTG.
World of Tanks type instanced pvp games (not MOBAs0 are also popular.
There are lots of popular online games, just that old fashion (and i mean wow) type MMORPGs are in decline.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Devs don't have to make MMORPGs. Isn't it easier for them just to go to a new genre and use totally new ideas than to shackle themselves with old MMORPGs design, and just adjust stuff on the margin?
As to why I don't like new games I've tried? Simple, they brought nothing new to the table(SWTOR, ESO, GW2, etc). I don't want to play the same boring grind crap that has existed since the dawn of MMOs.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I don't believe the market is saturated either, I believe the market has a lot of MMORPGs that people just don't want to play. There are a generation of players that are looking for a solid subscription based MMORPG to play and there just hasn't been one for a long ass time.
Every game released in the last 10 years has been pay to win, micro transactions, in game shops and all that bullshit. There are a generation of players who don't want that, we want to pay 1 price per month and get the entire game. Whoever releases that will see a level of success not seen in quite some time in the market.
Few of the big MMOs started with the Subscription model (SWTOR, Wildstar to name a couple), yet they failed.
Having a subscription is not a guarantee the game will succeed, in fact the failings of those big titles gave the wrong impression that the whole Subscription model is antiquate, which is not.
I am one of those looking for a Subscription only MMO, but the reality is there is no MMORPG at the moment that can hold my attention for more than a couple of months.
Devs needs to start making Social MMOs again, not single player games with a Multiplayer function glued to it.
Between Skyrim and ESO I prefer playing Skyrim.
Why would I want to play ESO?
The way is built, having other players around is more of a nuisance than an added asset.
MMORPGs has to be radically different from single player games, and adding the Multiplayer function to it and calling them MMORPGs doesn't really cut it for me.
Subscription payment model: 15$/month just to be able to play your game. And lets face it, content updates in MMOs are scarce and when it finally arrived you had to pay new game price on top of subscription for fracton of content of new game that costs as much. It lasted for a while, but it was clear its not going to last.
Changes that substantially change the game. In single player game you can completely control your experience. In MMO - nope. Lets just take most recent example of SWTOR companion nerfs. It pissed off lot of people and im pretty sure a lot are not coming back. Then lets just look at how many such examples there were through time.
MMOs will always have their small niche audience, but for time being, big AAA MMOs that cost hundred(s) of millions of $ are history. The kicker is - if you want a MMO that has a lot of stuff - it really does cost a lot ot make. And i dont see this changing until some revolutionary concept arrives, and when that happens im sure there will be plenty "MMO veterans" that will claim that "its not MMO since its nothing like <insert (old school) MMO of your choosing>"
This is what current developers don't understand.
If you build a Social MMO which revolves around people, you don't need a ton of content to have fun.
Players will create their own fun if they are given the tools.