I agree with what many have said, I don't think the lack of hype is due to founders pack, but probably cause this game looks really terrible, and being full loot hardcore pvp will push most people away to begin with.
How do you make a pvp game playable on all devices and on the same server, PC PVP will always beat out mobile or console pvpers.
The only trend I want to see being ended is stupid people paying alphas and expecting finished games and the stability of MMOs that have launched for a few years.
And then whine about it in the forums as if they know whats best for the MMO community.
Yet they still have no clue whats an alpha is all about. Figure that out.
I don't mind seeing a small indie studio selling alpha access. They've been working on this for years and just like the rest of us, they need to pay their bills, it's ok in my book. When SOE and Blizzard do it on the other hand, it's another story...
To answer your question, OP. I'm not sure the payed alpha has much to do with the low hype. It's a sandbox MMO and they plan to make it F2P and everyone knows that F2P and sandbox don't mix too well. That and the F2P they're going for has the potential of becoming pay 2 win. I see a massive red flag there personally.
I was super hyped for AO when I first heard about it but I switched off when I heard it would be F2P and again when I heard what they'd be selling for RL cash.
i just bought the $50 pack. its worth it to me. early access plus the cash shop gold and items. i haven't played yet so if it turns out to be bad then i'll regret it lol
I was super hyped for AO when I first heard about it but I switched off when I heard it would be F2P and again when I heard what they'd be selling for RL cash.
Don't you be tainting the excellent game AO with some isometric indie game. AO is Anarchy Online, a real MMO from before the age of kiddy-game mmo pretenders of the WoW orientation.
sorry english my third langage hope you can read it good
im quite busy and since they releases so many of them each year im picking the one who realy hit releases
they are alway more finished and less buggy, im not into buying for ''alpha'' ''beta'' or anything else, yeah often im thinking
ya albion would be fun to play a litle bit this week when im free and honestly for me the cash realy realy not a problem
but im realy hating what mmorpg dev are doing to the customer so im just never buying anything because we are customer and we can only talk with them one way, give them money or not.
if you disagree with all these beta, alpha or whatever they name it, just dont buy any of them, trust me if everyone would do it, alpha and beta would restart to be free.
they are just doing what they can go away with, for exemple if i can raise my cash income with playling less 5 people for one months im fucking going to do it, if they work part time and just miss 2 hours to be full time ( where they cost alot more in the long run ) they will stay part time... that business and about what you can get away with.
Originally posted by Nanfoodle IF this game was my cup of tea I would have no problem dropping money to support it and try it early. People need to stop flipping about the option for paid alpha. Its nothing more then supporting the game you want to play. If you have a problem with it, wait till it launches and join then. I hope Albion does well. Wishing a game to fail is a sad thing to say.
First of all maybe you should go back and read my post again, I never wished for this GAME to fail. I won't even correct it for you, you take your butt back there and read it again.
Funny how we went all these years without having to support games, now all of a sudden they all need our support. No....they want to get money off the fact they know some people just have to have it NOW. Finished or not.
This is bad for the genre in my opinion, and that is all it is...my opinion. By the time these games make it to regular release they are already tainted. MMO release days are not even fun anymore because most of the population has already played the game and knows it 100%.
I was interested in this game. But F2P with premium currency, which you can sell? No thanks. Maybe will try at release, just to take up one more spot of their server. And maybe I will spam their support with how do I pay to progress faster than non paying customers.
As long as people keep buying Early Access packages, they will be offered for sale.
But it's quite possible that there's some degree of "buyer fatigue" setting in. That said, the market is big, and it'll probably take quite a while before this lucrative trend is abandoned due to pure lack of interest.
Of course, developers will have to replace the Early Access income by replacing it with something else, which will most likely be a heavier focus on lockboxes or some other Cash Shop mechanisms...
Originally posted by Viper482 Originally posted by Nanfoodle IF this game was my cup of tea I would have no problem dropping money to support it and try it early. People need to stop flipping about the option for paid alpha. Its nothing more then supporting the game you want to play. If you have a problem with it, wait till it launches and join then. I hope Albion does well. Wishing a game to fail is a sad thing to say.
First of all maybe you should go back and read my post again, I never wished for this GAME to fail. I won't even correct it for you, you take your butt back there and read it again.
Funny how we went all these years without having to support games, now all of a sudden they all need our support. No....they want to get money off the fact they know some people just have to have it NOW. Finished or not.
This is bad for the genre in my opinion, and that is all it is...my opinion. By the time these games make it to regular release they are already tainted. MMO release days are not even fun anymore because most of the population has already played the game and knows it 100%.
All these years there were a lot less indie games, I don't see it as a problem when indie games do crowdfunding. I do see a problem when AAA studios do $100 alpha access, AAA studios don't need that money to finish the game, that's just money grabbing plain and simple.
I don't mind seeing a small indie studio selling alpha access. They've been working on this for years and just like the rest of us, they need to pay their bills, it's ok in my book. When SOE and Blizzard do it on the other hand, it's another story...
To answer your question, OP. I'm not sure the payed alpha has much to do with the low hype. It's a sandbox MMO and they plan to make it F2P and everyone knows that F2P and sandbox don't mix too well. That and the F2P they're going for has the potential of becoming pay 2 win. I see a massive red flag there personally.
I was super hyped for AO when I first heard about it but I switched off when I heard it would be F2P and again when I heard what they'd be selling for RL cash.
I agree wholeheartedly.
These early access packages are sometimes necessary for indie games, but when big companies like SOE are doing this thing or even smaller outfits that already have funding, its a scam. Whats hilarious is this is S.O.P. for SOE now.
Personally I hate the pay for alpha's as well. Although I have purchased 2 in my life time and feel I have gotten my monies worth. H1Z1 and Albion are the only two and honestly, I feel it was worth it. There are some others I would love to support but have yet to make the plunge. (CU, PROTF) In any event, for indie developers I get the reasoning and need for paid alpha/beta's but that's it. Thus far though I am 50/50 supporting indie/big name developers on my record, but I'm good with it.
I have a serious problem. Considering how much some people spend I do not consider myself a whale, but I do have a compulsive addiction issue. 17k over the last 12 months on games and some of them I never even installed. I've been having a great month cutting my spending down, canceling subs, passing on founders packs, then last night greenmangaming has a a huge sale on pre-orders and I buy CoD BO 3, Rainbow 6 Siege, Battlefront, and AC Syndicate. Granted they were like $20 off each, but still..
But saying that I am seeing quite a lot of chat about this game all over the place.. ay there is nothing wrong with companeis offering people access into an alpha test for money..
It allows the company to make some much needed cash up front and it also allows people who want to help test the game test the game..
If anyone buys into an alpha test thinking its a fully working game.. well they need to be banned from alpha testing and early access full stop.
If you seriously think that people pay to test the game for bugs then you are mistaken. People pay to PLAY the game as early as possible, not to test it. No one buys an Alpha access to start making Excel spreadsheets with all the bugs and record all of their gaming sessions to show the developers the bugs they find.
Early access is an exclusive, paid release. Nothing else. It's a Marketing tool to extract extra money from bored junkie players that rushed through the last game that was just as shallow and had no content and are now looking for the next high from this new and amazing game.
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I like having the choice to alpha test games.. I never had that choice before and i actually enjoy doing it now and then.
The problem is people buy into alphas expecting them to be finished games.
Anytime People pay money for something they expect it to be "Finished". That expectation has been built up in Commerce for literally centuries. That's not "entitlement", it's a legitimate expectation that is a part of almost all day-to-day business transactions.
It is [in my opinion] quite naive for MMO Devs to sell/sell access to (same thing) to a MMO product that is not finished and then wonder why Players complain it's not finished. Yes a Player can tell themselves it's not finished but that flies up against their experience as a customer in a thousand other product/service areas. Their life experience is quietly telling them they may be getting screwed even when they're not.
Not saying don't have paid Alphas.... I'm saying MMOs are trying to swim against the current on this one.
I paid for Alpha and Beta (for all intensive purposes) in Wurm Online for years. I enjoyed it, but many Players, and I mean MANY, including myself, kept forgetting it wasn't a finished product yet.... that old customer conditioning taking over again and again... and I bet we drove Rolf nuts.
So I would say... ask Rolf Jansson if he thinks paid Alphas are worth the headaches. He's the authority in my book.
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With current mmo's, I wait untill like 3-6 months after release after all the hype has settled and the truth comes out before I buy a new mmo.
With paid alphas/betas.....I don't buy it.
IMO Alpha+beta = testing with invited players and I expect a clean serverwipe when the game launches officially.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I agree with what many have said, I don't think the lack of hype is due to founders pack, but probably cause this game looks really terrible, and being full loot hardcore pvp will push most people away to begin with.
How do you make a pvp game playable on all devices and on the same server, PC PVP will always beat out mobile or console pvpers.
This game will crash hard.
it just looks like to me this game has a little bit TOO much pvp in it
The only trend I want to see being ended is stupid people paying alphas and expecting finished games and the stability of MMOs that have launched for a few years.
And then whine about it in the forums as if they know whats best for the MMO community.
Yet they still have no clue whats an alpha is all about. Figure that out.
I don't mind seeing a small indie studio selling alpha access. They've been working on this for years and just like the rest of us, they need to pay their bills, it's ok in my book. When SOE and Blizzard do it on the other hand, it's another story...
To answer your question, OP. I'm not sure the payed alpha has much to do with the low hype. It's a sandbox MMO and they plan to make it F2P and everyone knows that F2P and sandbox don't mix too well. That and the F2P they're going for has the potential of becoming pay 2 win. I see a massive red flag there personally.
I was super hyped for AO when I first heard about it but I switched off when I heard it would be F2P and again when I heard what they'd be selling for RL cash.
Don't you be tainting the excellent game AO with some isometric indie game. AO is Anarchy Online, a real MMO from before the age of kiddy-game mmo pretenders of the WoW orientation.
sorry english my third langage hope you can read it good
im quite busy and since they releases so many of them each year im picking the one who realy hit releases
they are alway more finished and less buggy, im not into buying for ''alpha'' ''beta'' or anything else, yeah often im thinking
ya albion would be fun to play a litle bit this week when im free and honestly for me the cash realy realy not a problem
but im realy hating what mmorpg dev are doing to the customer so im just never buying anything because we are customer and we can only talk with them one way, give them money or not.
if you disagree with all these beta, alpha or whatever they name it, just dont buy any of them, trust me if everyone would do it, alpha and beta would restart to be free.
they are just doing what they can go away with, for exemple if i can raise my cash income with playling less 5 people for one months im fucking going to do it, if they work part time and just miss 2 hours to be full time ( where they cost alot more in the long run ) they will stay part time... that business and about what you can get away with.
First of all maybe you should go back and read my post again, I never wished for this GAME to fail. I won't even correct it for you, you take your butt back there and read it again.
Funny how we went all these years without having to support games, now all of a sudden they all need our support. No....they want to get money off the fact they know some people just have to have it NOW. Finished or not.
This is bad for the genre in my opinion, and that is all it is...my opinion. By the time these games make it to regular release they are already tainted. MMO release days are not even fun anymore because most of the population has already played the game and knows it 100%.
As long as people keep buying Early Access packages, they will be offered for sale.
But it's quite possible that there's some degree of "buyer fatigue" setting in. That said, the market is big, and it'll probably take quite a while before this lucrative trend is abandoned due to pure lack of interest.
Of course, developers will have to replace the Early Access income by replacing it with something else, which will most likely be a heavier focus on lockboxes or some other Cash Shop mechanisms...
the game looks and promising, just this method is annoying and gaming community got tired from this.
But for the game there is another argument ...
Funny how we went all these years without having to support games, now all of a sudden they all need our support. No....they want to get money off the fact they know some people just have to have it NOW. Finished or not.
This is bad for the genre in my opinion, and that is all it is...my opinion. By the time these games make it to regular release they are already tainted. MMO release days are not even fun anymore because most of the population has already played the game and knows it 100%.
All these years there were a lot less indie games, I don't see it as a problem when indie games do crowdfunding. I do see a problem when AAA studios do $100 alpha access, AAA studios don't need that money to finish the game, that's just money grabbing plain and simple.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
These early access packages are sometimes necessary for indie games, but when big companies like SOE are doing this thing or even smaller outfits that already have funding, its a scam. Whats hilarious is this is S.O.P. for SOE now.
Help support an artist and gamer who has lost his tools to create and play: http://www.gofundme.com/u63nzcgk
Early access is an exclusive, paid release. Nothing else. It's a Marketing tool to extract extra money from bored junkie players that rushed through the last game that was just as shallow and had no content and are now looking for the next high from this new and amazing game.
Help test the game...that's a laugh!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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It is [in my opinion] quite naive for MMO Devs to sell/sell access to (same thing) to a MMO product that is not finished and then wonder why Players complain it's not finished. Yes a Player can tell themselves it's not finished but that flies up against their experience as a customer in a thousand other product/service areas. Their life experience is quietly telling them they may be getting screwed even when they're not.
Not saying don't have paid Alphas.... I'm saying MMOs are trying to swim against the current on this one.
I paid for Alpha and Beta (for all intensive purposes) in Wurm Online for years. I enjoyed it, but many Players, and I mean MANY, including myself, kept forgetting it wasn't a finished product yet.... that old customer conditioning taking over again and again... and I bet we drove Rolf nuts.
So I would say... ask Rolf Jansson if he thinks paid Alphas are worth the headaches. He's the authority in my book.