Games that you mentioned are CPU heavy and as Jean have said you CPU is terrible. This year is not the year for AMD purchase or upgrade. If you really want to change, i will suggest go with Intel. and that graphics card is fine for medium level detail on graphics. You need to change CPU and Motherboard to intel.
eh Amd cpu has never been good. And also Games are only getting more and more Cpu intensive plus intel is the best upgrade imo. and even Amd Gpu sucks..
Go intel Nvidia best combo and best performence
For CPUs you are definitely right, but for GPUs, definitely not. Radeon GPUs are as good if not better than equivalent nVidia GPUs for a lower price. And the fastest single graphic card of the planet is still a Radeon.
eh no not even Fury can beat gtx 980.. and it cost the same as gtx 980 ti.. the amd gpus are horrible. and gtx 970 is the same price as R9 390x which perform same as 970
To get 8350 just go to bios and put multiplier to 20
I run my 8300 at 4,2 GHz on tad above stock voltage (1,2825) medium LLC for one singular reason - it has problems with cold boot ;P at 1,275, but it works fine after cold boot visit to bios. Stock voltage for 8350 is 1,35 btw
Of course, you can always go for better GPU like 290x-390x. That will put another 70-130$ on top)
And they did have it for <100$ on occasions. You go for 8350 only in case you absolutely refuse to OC. But in that case i would say AMD is not really for you
mobo is also too expencive, yes, its very nice board but unless you specifically need 990 chipset for something, namely cf/sli. Otherwise, Gigabyte mobo. But theres 990FX-UD3 from gigabyte for much cheaper.
both have 8+2 VRM (same like ASUS board) so you can OC like a champ without throttling.
16 GB RAM is waste unless you know specifically that something you will do will actually make use of 16 GB. For gaming and general use 8 GB is more than enough. And if, for some reason in the future, you need more, you have 4 RAM slots and can easily add another 8/16.
Power supply is a waste, 750w quality power supply is top even for single GPU cf/sli, unless youre running dual GPU cards in cf/sli or tri-way/quad.
those power supplies are built by Seasonic and actually have advertised wattage on 12v rail.
GPU, well, buy best you can, too often i see people pay premium for certain CPU and then buy worse GPU which will lower performance across the board. When you start building a rig its first and MOST important thing. Once youve picked that, you move to everything else and adjust everything else to your budget first.
In this case, if you can get cheap 290/290x, those are premium atm. but i guess thats why they rise in price ;P
NVIDIA is no go atm, AMD has better performance for same price (except fury x vs 980Ti on non 4k)
According to this and the previously posted CPU benchmark, your CPU is more of a bottleneck than the GPU. You may even be able to get your desired framerate with that GPU if you don't use the highest settings. I'd suggest moving to an Intel CPU, preferably Core i5, then evaluate the framerate again. With a Core i5 and low settings my guess is you'll reach your desired framerate, then you'll be able to go up and see how far you can get with quality. If not far enough, replace the GPU.
According to this and the previously posted CPU benchmark, your CPU is more of a bottleneck than the GPU. You may even be able to get your desired framerate with that GPU if you don't use the highest settings. I'd suggest moving to an Intel CPU, preferably Core i5, then evaluate the framerate again. With a Core i5 and low settings my guess is you'll reach your desired framerate, then you'll be able to go up and see how far you can get with quality. If not far enough, replace the GPU.
If he wasn't on a budget, that would probably be good advice, the problem is, that for anyone on a budget, AMD tend to make better CPU's, not saying intel cpu's aren't better, but if your defining it per $ then AMD usually wins that argument. If he could afford the 9590 and the mobo to go with it, i'd advise him to go that route, its cheaper than the Intel one, and far more affordable.
According to this and the previously posted CPU benchmark, your CPU is more of a bottleneck than the GPU. You may even be able to get your desired framerate with that GPU if you don't use the highest settings. I'd suggest moving to an Intel CPU, preferably Core i5, then evaluate the framerate again. With a Core i5 and low settings my guess is you'll reach your desired framerate, then you'll be able to go up and see how far you can get with quality. If not far enough, replace the GPU.
OP is having frame rate issues even at lowest graphics settings, which would imply there is likely some other issues going on because the frame rate should be quite higher than that.
And they did have it for <100$ on occasions. You go for 8350 only in case you absolutely refuse to OC. But in that case i would say AMD is not really for you
you have your preferences , I have mine. I've been building amazing AMD gaming PC's for over 10 years. I stand firm on my choice and will respect yours without the "all your wrong" attitude. Have a nice day.
Tip : underpowering a pc is just as bad as overvoltage. If one is going to use a 8300 and expect to over clock it to 4.5 or higher, 550watts will not be enough. The Gigabyte stuff isnt made for overclocking because of the raised voltage to the capacitors. SO many things to do when OCing. I'd rather pay a few bucks more and get the performance I want at stock instead of endangering the entire system for just a for hz more.
Some people will put together really low watt systems and expect them be able to OC an entire system with a motherboard not designed for overclocking with cheap capacitors.
If one is going to cram system inside of this cae and expect yo OC, the temperatures are going to be high. That case has very poor airflow and not a lot of room for fans or bigger water cooling. Those mounting "lumps" absolutely awful.
Buy a cheap case, don't expect to OC anything ! Never go mid tower for an OC build, ever, imho. Always full tower.
I would recommend a Z97 motherboard with a Haswell i5 4690 CPU
A decent enough motherboard runs around $125-150 (I like Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI), the CPU runs around $200, throw in a decent cooler with it for $30, and you get to reuse your current RAM and other components.
Could you post links to the Z97 and 4690 on newegg? I want to make sure I order the right parts, there seem to be different veriations. These will also be compatible with my current graphics card/ram/etc? Thanks!!
Yup. That's a decent cooler too. You will need some heatsink compount (intel comes with a thermal pad pre-applied to the stock HSF if I recall).
CM coolers (standard) come with tube of thermal compound.
Yeah but he bought it and installed it how long ago in the original system --- and most people will (usually incorrectly) use the entire tube in one installation.
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Yeah - Quiz has good links, just depends on if you want to overclock or not. Even if your aren't planning on it right now, if you think you ever might want to, even just a little bit, spend the extra money now to get the overclocking setup.
Devil's Canyon aren't the best overclocking CPU in history, but they are pretty good, most getting up around the high 4's, a few hitting 5.0 on air. - up to 20-30% extra speed over stock for cheap depending on how hard you want to push it and how lucky you get on the die.
Could you post links to the Z97 and 4690 on newegg? I want to make sure I order the right parts, there seem to be different veriations. These will also be compatible with my current graphics card/ram/etc? Thanks!!
Getting Haswell when Skylake is out for the same price is merely put stupid...and so is overclocking and 4690 - not worthy, high extra cost but next to none performance gain.
Could you post links to the Z97 and 4690 on newegg? I want to make sure I order the right parts, there seem to be different veriations. These will also be compatible with my current graphics card/ram/etc? Thanks!!
Getting Haswell when Skylake is out for the same price is merely put stupid...and so is overclocking and 4690 - not worthy, high extra cost but next to none performance gain.
Do not listen to folk here...
Don't you constantly tell people to get a low clocked Core i5 because that last 20% of performance doesn't matter? Sky Lake is faster than Haswell, but it's by less than 10%. And not only are the CPU and motherboard more expensive if you get Sky Lake, but he'd have to replace the memory, too. Haswell takes the DDR3 he already has, while Sky Lake would need either DDR4 or DDR3L.
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FX 8300 (100-110$)
Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P OC board (85$)
8GB 1866 RAM (45-50$)
R9 290/390 (if you can get a hands on cheap 290/290x its a blast) (250-290$)
XFX core/TS 550W (P1-550S-XXB9) (70$)
240GB SSD (90$)
so 640-695$ depending on GPU.
Also you want 15-30$ CPu cooler.
Add a decent case like
ww.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28E3002&cm_re=raijintek_computer_case-_-9SIA66Z28E3002-_-Product
for 60$ and your golden.
Best buy setup atm.
To get 8350 just go to bios and put multiplier to 20
I run my 8300 at 4,2 GHz on tad above stock voltage (1,2825) medium LLC for one singular reason - it has problems with cold boot ;P at 1,275, but it works fine after cold boot visit to bios. Stock voltage for 8350 is 1,35 btw
Of course, you can always go for better GPU like 290x-390x. That will put another 70-130$ on top)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9494387&csid=_61
And they did have it for <100$ on occasions. You go for 8350 only in case you absolutely refuse to OC. But in that case i would say AMD is not really for you
mobo is also too expencive, yes, its very nice board but unless you specifically need 990 chipset for something, namely cf/sli. Otherwise, Gigabyte mobo. But theres 990FX-UD3 from gigabyte for much cheaper.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=667675&CatId=7244
or 970 board if you dont plan on cf/SLI
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8556367&CatId=7244
both have 8+2 VRM (same like ASUS board) so you can OC like a champ without throttling.
16 GB RAM is waste unless you know specifically that something you will do will actually make use of 16 GB. For gaming and general use 8 GB is more than enough. And if, for some reason in the future, you need more, you have 4 RAM slots and can easily add another 8/16.
Power supply is a waste, 750w quality power supply is top even for single GPU cf/sli, unless youre running dual GPU cards in cf/sli or tri-way/quad.
single GPU, not top GPU cf/sli power supply:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=125449&CatId=5431
cf/SLI power supply:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9779796&CatId=5433
those power supplies are built by Seasonic and actually have advertised wattage on 12v rail.
GPU, well, buy best you can, too often i see people pay premium for certain CPU and then buy worse GPU which will lower performance across the board. When you start building a rig its first and MOST important thing. Once youve picked that, you move to everything else and adjust everything else to your budget first.
In this case, if you can get cheap 290/290x, those are premium atm. but i guess thats why they rise in price ;P
NVIDIA is no go atm, AMD has better performance for same price (except fury x vs 980Ti on non 4k)
I havent considered NVIDIA since this little gem
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510
which ran OCed to 825 MHz super cool and super silent
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-5.html
Entirely differently story....
OP is having frame rate issues even at lowest graphics settings, which would imply there is likely some other issues going on because the frame rate should be quite higher than that.
You are wasting 65$ on CPU since 8300 and 8350 are identical CPUs differently clocked.
Memory is a waste unless, as i said, you know specifically what needs 16 GB memory that you will use extensively. And it aint gaming or general use.
PSU is terrible, here is orientational list what to buy - and what not:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
XFX is pretty much best buy. Its not modular, for modular ones
550W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8890260&CatId=1079
750W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7580853&CatId=5440
They aslo come with 5 years warranty.
Full tower case? Only if you run a server ;P you definitely dont need that (for what you posted anyway)
If you are really tight on budget this is excellent case:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9593875&CatId=1509
my preferences are:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28E3002&cm_re=raijintek_case-_-9SIA66Z28E3002-_-Product
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011&cm_re=corsair_300r-_-11-139-011-_-Product
And for SSD id go with this one for that price range:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9590987&CatId=5300
And i dont usually pay much attention to special offers as they come and go, sure, if you get some great deal you just have to snatch it
So the deal is, just by saving on CPU you can get R9 290 for instance
Also take 8GB RAM and you can get 290x/390.
Take BitFenix/Raijintek case and gigabyte mobo and thats 240GB SSD and better mobo
And so on. If you dont plan on cf/SLI you can get that 550W XFX... ... ...
Ill leave you to your preferences.
A decent enough motherboard runs around $125-150 (I like Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI), the CPU runs around $200, throw in a decent cooler with it for $30, and you get to reuse your current RAM and other components.
You will need some heatsink compount (intel comes with a thermal pad pre-applied to the stock HSF if I recall).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2488797
If you're willing to rule out overclocking and want something cheaper that will work, this will do:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116989
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130779
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Yeah - Quiz has good links, just depends on if you want to overclock or not. Even if your aren't planning on it right now, if you think you ever might want to, even just a little bit, spend the extra money now to get the overclocking setup.
Devil's Canyon aren't the best overclocking CPU in history, but they are pretty good, most getting up around the high 4's, a few hitting 5.0 on air. - up to 20-30% extra speed over stock for cheap depending on how hard you want to push it and how lucky you get on the die.
Do not listen to folk here...