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  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,372
    edited September 2015
    bone15 said:
    Games that you mentioned are CPU heavy and as Jean have said you CPU is terrible. This year is not the year for AMD purchase or upgrade. If you really want to change, i will suggest go with Intel. and that graphics card is fine for medium level detail on graphics. You need to change CPU and Motherboard to intel.
    eh Amd cpu has never been good. And also Games are only getting more and more Cpu intensive plus intel is the best upgrade imo. and even Amd Gpu sucks..

    Go intel Nvidia best combo and best performence
    For CPUs you are definitely right, but for GPUs, definitely not. Radeon GPUs are as good if not better than equivalent nVidia GPUs for a lower price.
    And the fastest single graphic card of the planet is still a Radeon.
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  • bone15bone15 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    bone15 said:
    Games that you mentioned are CPU heavy and as Jean have said you CPU is terrible. This year is not the year for AMD purchase or upgrade. If you really want to change, i will suggest go with Intel. and that graphics card is fine for medium level detail on graphics. You need to change CPU and Motherboard to intel.
    eh Amd cpu has never been good. And also Games are only getting more and more Cpu intensive plus intel is the best upgrade imo. and even Amd Gpu sucks..

    Go intel Nvidia best combo and best performence
    For CPUs you are definitely right, but for GPUs, definitely not. Radeon GPUs are as good if not better than equivalent nVidia GPUs for a lower price.
    And the fastest single graphic card of the planet is still a Radeon.
    eh no not even Fury can beat gtx 980.. and it cost the same as gtx 980 ti.. the amd gpus are horrible. and gtx 970 is the same price as R9 390x which perform same as 970
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited September 2015
    Vlad0wnz said:



    any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
    AMD 8350
    AMD ASUS ROG 990FX
    16 gigs of 1600 or greater
    AMD 380X or 390x graphics
    1200 watts psu
    249gig ssD

    about 740 -900 bucks

    Eh, no.

    FX 8300 (100-110$)

    Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P OC board (85$)

    8GB 1866 RAM (45-50$)

    R9 290/390 (if you can get a hands on cheap 290/290x its a blast) (250-290$)

    XFX core/TS 550W (P1-550S-XXB9) (70$)

    240GB SSD (90$)

    so 640-695$ depending on GPU.

    Also you want 15-30$ CPu cooler.

    Add a decent case like

    ww.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28E3002&cm_re=raijintek_computer_case-_-9SIA66Z28E3002-_-Product

    for 60$ and your golden.

    Best buy setup atm.

    To get 8350 just go to bios and put multiplier to 20 :)

    I run my 8300 at 4,2 GHz on tad above stock voltage (1,2825) medium LLC for one singular reason - it has problems with cold boot ;P at 1,275, but it works fine after cold boot visit to bios. Stock voltage for 8350 is 1,35 btw ;)

    Of course, you can always go for better GPU like 290x-390x. That will put another 70-130$ on top)

  • bone15bone15 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    Malabooga said:
    Vlad0wnz said:



    any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
    AMD 8350
    AMD ASUS ROG 990FX
    16 gigs of 1600 or greater
    AMD 380X or 390x graphics
    1200 watts psu
    249gig ssD

    about 740 -900 bucks

    Eh, no.

    FX 8300 (100-110$)

    Gigabyte GA970A-UD3P OC board (85$)

    8GB 1866 RAM (45-50$)

    R9 290/390 (if you can get a hands on cheap 290 its a blast) (250-290$)

    XFX core/TS 550W (P1-550S-XXB9) (70$)

    240GB SSD (90$)

    so 640-695$ depending on GPU.

    Also you want 15-30$ CPu cooler.

    Best buy setup. To get 8350 just go to bios and put multiplier to 20 :)
    1200 watt? wtf i have 650 watt and my pc is twice performence over that bad build
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited September 2015
    I just built what I posted for 800 dollars with water cooling on tigerdirect.com
    CPU:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9494387&csid=_61

    And they did have it for <100$ on occasions. You go for 8350 only in case you absolutely refuse to OC. But in that case i would say AMD is not really for you :)

    mobo is also too expencive, yes, its very nice board but unless you specifically need 990 chipset for something, namely cf/sli. Otherwise, Gigabyte mobo. But theres 990FX-UD3 from gigabyte for much cheaper.

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=667675&CatId=7244

    or 970 board if you dont plan on cf/SLI

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8556367&CatId=7244

    both have 8+2 VRM (same like ASUS board) so you can OC like a champ without throttling.

    16 GB RAM is waste unless you know specifically that something you will do will actually make use of 16 GB. For gaming and general use 8 GB is more than enough. And if, for some reason in the future, you need more, you have 4 RAM slots and can easily add another 8/16.

    Power supply is a waste, 750w quality power supply is top even for single GPU cf/sli, unless youre running dual GPU cards in cf/sli or tri-way/quad.

    single GPU, not top GPU cf/sli power supply:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=125449&CatId=5431

    cf/SLI power supply:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9779796&CatId=5433

    those power supplies are built by Seasonic and actually have advertised wattage on 12v rail.

    GPU, well, buy best you can, too often i see people pay premium for certain CPU and then buy worse GPU which will lower performance across the board. When you start building a rig its first and MOST important thing. Once youve picked that, you move to everything else and adjust everything else to your budget first.

    In this case, if you can get cheap 290/290x, those are premium atm. but i guess thats why they rise in price ;P

    NVIDIA is no go atm, AMD has better performance for same price (except fury x vs 980Ti on non 4k)

    I havent considered NVIDIA since this little gem
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127510
    which ran OCed to 825 MHz super cool and super silent :)
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  • ET3DET3D Member UncommonPosts: 317
    According to this and the previously posted CPU benchmark, your CPU is more of a bottleneck than the GPU. You may even be able to get your desired framerate with that GPU if you don't use the highest settings. I'd suggest moving to an Intel CPU, preferably Core i5, then evaluate the framerate again. With a Core i5 and low settings my guess is you'll reach your desired framerate, then you'll be able to go up and see how far you can get with quality. If not far enough, replace the GPU.
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    ET3D said:
    According to this and the previously posted CPU benchmark, your CPU is more of a bottleneck than the GPU. You may even be able to get your desired framerate with that GPU if you don't use the highest settings. I'd suggest moving to an Intel CPU, preferably Core i5, then evaluate the framerate again. With a Core i5 and low settings my guess is you'll reach your desired framerate, then you'll be able to go up and see how far you can get with quality. If not far enough, replace the GPU.
    If he wasn't on a budget, that would probably be good advice, the problem is, that for anyone on a budget, AMD tend to make better CPU's, not saying intel cpu's aren't better, but if your defining it per $ then AMD usually wins that argument. If he could afford the 9590 and the mobo to go with it, i'd advise him to go that route, its cheaper than the Intel one, and far more affordable.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,221
    ET3D said:
    According to this and the previously posted CPU benchmark, your CPU is more of a bottleneck than the GPU. You may even be able to get your desired framerate with that GPU if you don't use the highest settings. I'd suggest moving to an Intel CPU, preferably Core i5, then evaluate the framerate again. With a Core i5 and low settings my guess is you'll reach your desired framerate, then you'll be able to go up and see how far you can get with quality. If not far enough, replace the GPU.
    Actually no.

    Posted Arma3 benchmark was just selective screen of one particular game, intentionally misleading. How about looking at entire test and the results as a whole instead?
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849-5.html

    Entirely differently story....

    OP is having frame rate issues even at lowest graphics settings, which would imply there is likely some other issues going on because the frame rate should be quite higher than that.


  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited September 2015
    Malabooga said:
    I just built what I posted for 800 dollars with water cooling on tigerdirect.com
    CPU:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9494387&csid=_61

    And they did have it for <100$ on occasions. You go for 8350 only in case you absolutely refuse to OC. But in that case i would say AMD is not really for you :)

    MSI 970 mobo :
    Mobo : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9194718&Sku=RSC-102599344
    $109.99

    FX8350
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4904561&Sku=A79-8350
    179.99

    MSI R9 380
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9777409&CatId=7387
    199.99

    memory corsair vengence 1600
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1705145&CatId=11478
    99.99

    cooling corsair liquid cooling:
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7413644&Sku=C13-2155
    69.99

    psu ultra 850 watt
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8989534&CatId=5432
    109.99

    = 768.95

    case corsair obsidian :
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8513332&CatId=1510
    139.99

    or

    480gig pny ssd
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9099635&CatId=5300

    169.99


    Tigerdirect is very flexible/ They are always having crazy price drops, it is hard to keep up.
    I got my ASUS 990FXSabertooth for 129.99

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3947170&CatId=7244






    Gigabyte mobo is better than that MSI because it has 8+2 VRM and MSI has 6+2 VRM. Also its cheaper. Gigabyte boards are really kings of OC boards ;)

    You are wasting 65$ on CPU since 8300 and 8350 are identical CPUs differently clocked.

    Memory is a waste unless, as i said, you know specifically what needs 16 GB memory that you will use extensively. And it aint gaming or general use.

    PSU is terrible, here is orientational list what to buy - and what not:

    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

    XFX is pretty much best buy. Its not modular, for modular ones

    550W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8890260&CatId=1079

    750W http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7580853&CatId=5440

    They aslo come with 5 years warranty.

    Full tower case? Only if you run a server ;P you definitely dont need that (for what you posted anyway)

    If you are really tight on budget this is excellent case:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9593875&CatId=1509

    my preferences are:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA66Z28E3002&cm_re=raijintek_case-_-9SIA66Z28E3002-_-Product

    or

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011&cm_re=corsair_300r-_-11-139-011-_-Product

    And for SSD id go with this one for that price range:

    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9590987&CatId=5300

    And i dont usually pay much attention to special offers as they come and go, sure, if you get some great deal you just have to snatch it :)

    So the deal is, just by saving on CPU you can get R9 290 for instance :)

    Also take 8GB RAM and you can get 290x/390.

    Take BitFenix/Raijintek case and gigabyte mobo and thats 240GB SSD and better mobo :)

    And so on. If you dont plan on cf/SLI you can get that 550W XFX... ... ...
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,203
    You guys realize that you're bumping a thread from August, don't you?
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  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Malabooga said:

    you have your preferences , I have mine. :)
    I've been building amazing AMD gaming PC's for over 10 years.
    I stand firm on my choice and will respect yours without the "all your wrong" attitude.
    Have a nice day.

    Tip : underpowering a pc is just as bad as overvoltage. If one is going to use a 8300 and expect to over clock it to 4.5 or higher, 550watts will not be enough. The Gigabyte stuff isnt made for overclocking because of the raised voltage to the capacitors. SO many things to do when OCing. I'd rather pay a few bucks more and get the performance I want at stock instead of endangering the entire system for just a for hz more.

    Some people will put together really low watt systems and expect them be able to OC an entire system with a motherboard not designed for overclocking with cheap capacitors.

    Tip Case :
    http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9593875&CatId=1509

    If one is going to cram system inside of this cae and expect yo OC, the temperatures are going to be high. That case has very poor airflow and not a lot of room for fans or bigger water cooling. Those mounting "lumps" absolutely awful.

    Buy a cheap case, don't expect to OC anything ! Never go mid tower for an OC build, ever, imho. Always full tower.

    Heard enough.

    Ill leave you to your preferences.
  • Vlad0wnzVlad0wnz Member UncommonPosts: 29
    If I were to upgrade to Intel mobo/CPU, what would you guys suggest? Would like to keep it below 500$
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,074
    I would recommend a Z97 motherboard with a Haswell i5 4690 CPU

    A decent enough motherboard runs around $125-150 (I like Asus, Gigabyte, and MSI), the CPU runs around $200, throw in a decent cooler with it for $30, and you get to reuse your current RAM and other components.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,074
    Plus whatever you need to do with Windows licensing.
  • Vlad0wnzVlad0wnz Member UncommonPosts: 29
    I'm currently using a Cooler master evo 212 as my CPU fan, will that work for the  Z97 motherboard with a Haswell i5 4690 CPU?
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,074
    Yup. That's a decent cooler too.
    You will need some heatsink compount (intel comes with a thermal pad pre-applied to the stock HSF if I recall).
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    edited October 2015
    Ridelynn said:
    Yup. That's a decent cooler too.
    You will need some heatsink compount (intel comes with a thermal pad pre-applied to the stock HSF if I recall).
    CM coolers (standard) come with tube of thermal compound.
  • Vlad0wnzVlad0wnz Member UncommonPosts: 29
    edited October 2015
    Could you post links to the Z97 and 4690 on newegg? I want to make sure I order the right parts, there seem to be different veriations. These will also be compatible with my current graphics card/ram/etc? Thanks!!


  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 22,203
    Depending on what you're inclined to spend, if you want something nice and the chance for a good overclock, you could grab this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2488797

    If you're willing to rule out overclocking and want something cheaper that will work, this will do:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116989
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130779
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,074
    edited October 2015
    Malabooga said:
    Ridelynn said:
    Yup. That's a decent cooler too.
    You will need some heatsink compount (intel comes with a thermal pad pre-applied to the stock HSF if I recall).
    CM coolers (standard) come with tube of thermal compound.
    Yeah but he bought it and installed it how long ago in the original system --- and most people will (usually incorrectly) use the entire tube in one installation.

    *edit*

    Yeah - Quiz has good links, just depends on if you want to overclock or not. Even if your aren't planning on it right now, if you think you ever might want to, even just a little bit, spend the extra money now to get the overclocking setup.

    Devil's Canyon aren't the best overclocking CPU in history, but they are pretty good, most getting up around the high 4's, a few hitting 5.0 on air. - up to 20-30% extra speed over stock for cheap depending on how hard you want to push it and how lucky you get on the die. 
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