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Do violent video games make YOU violent?

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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,898
    edited August 2015

    "Discussion / Do violent video games make YOU violent?"



    I doubt many here are in a place to rationally and honestly track what makes them as individuals violent, or what has desensitized them to violence in others even if they personally don't express theme selves in that way. Pretty much everyone has a real blind spot when it comes to this kind of clear self examination and self awareness. The person that points at and laughs at violence is no better than the perpetrator... Maybe they are worse even. 


    My personal belief is that no, playing a single, or a few, violent game won't turn you into a raving nutter if you don't already have issues. But I do believe that constant habitual exposure to violent media can, over time, desensitize individuals to violence and make it more acceptable to them. I believe that this desensitization is contributing to the 'sociopath' culture that seems to dominate gaming communities (and, increasingly, the real world). 


    Anecdotal "I play games and I'm fine" discussions are pretty worthless, partly because they do not know what kind of person they would be if they didn't expose themselves to habitual constant violent media (not just games). 
     

    Can powerful art also inspire individuals to imitate it? Of course, you would have to be blind to say it doesn't. 


    It's clear that violent video games have inspired more than one 'fragile' individual to extreme personal violence, maybe even tipping them over an edge. Does this mean that I would ban them though? Nah, of course not. Let's not pretend that the media we soak ourselves in every waking moment has no effect on us though.
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    If video games make people violent then we should probably outlaw social media too (meh, maybe just the whole Internet), because it's turning people into aholes. 

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  • AbaxialAbaxial Member UncommonPosts: 140
    The answer to the question is of course not. There is a certain class of researcher who will rush out flawed studies claiming otherwise because they know that such conclusions play well with certain sections of the right-wing press.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,092
    edited August 2015
    Anything competitive makes people aggressive.  Though it's up to their mentality, upbringing and culture to dictate whether they are able to tell fantasy from reality -- of which there are sources such as the internet, news, movies, famous people, etc. that influence people are more than just sitting on their bum for a couple of hours.

    There wouldn't be a T-shirt saying "I'm sorry for what I say to you during Mario Kart." without competition bringing out people's verbal bad side.  We can look at League of Legends and WoW for this as well (people who think numbers equal how valuable someone is and how big their epeen must be).  The want to "be the best" is also a social stigma that has existed since time immemorial and is one of the true culprits of foul-mouthed people.  This is unique to no specific setting.
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  • LyrianLyrian Member UncommonPosts: 412
    Only a lack of video games and lack of time to play video games make me violent.

    I'm like the Hulk. I just want to be left alone to game until the heat death of the universe.
  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912
    Politics makes me violent. Stupidity makes me violent. But games? Nah.

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  • yogalinyogalin Member UncommonPosts: 13
    I think PVP system makes me more violent than violent video games.
  • Deathgod881Deathgod881 Member UncommonPosts: 104
    Lagg/internet/ and horrible people make violent

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  • laseritlaserit Member LegendaryPosts: 6,157
    I don't know about the rest of you but Flintstones video games really fucked me up.

    BAM! BAM! BAMBAM!

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  • Beatnik59Beatnik59 Member UncommonPosts: 2,408
    edited September 2015

    I think the way activists pose this question is wrong from the outset.


    The question shouldn't be "Do Violent Video Games Make You Violent?"  I would say that, if they do--but they also teach you that the violence has consequences--the violence is far better than games which cause no violence and, consequently, can have no lesson about violence.


    The question ought to be "Do Violent Video Games Make You Remorseful for the violence you do in them?"  And I would have to say...sometimes.


    Do you know what game did violence very well?  Fallout 3.  It wasn't because you were prohibited from killing anyone you wanted.  It was because when you killed someone, the game wouldn't clean the floor for you.


    That was, for me, a real eye opener.  I'd go back to a school I raided a week earlier and see the bodies of the raiders I killed, lying there right where I shot them.  I'd go back to the town and saw the same civilians I shot two weeks earlier.  THAT was disturbing; it allowed me to do my wicked deeds, for sure, but the bodies stood there as constant reminders of my wickedness.


    Compare that with how death is handled in, say, God of War, or Metal Gear.  In those games, you can kill an entire legion of bad guys and walk down the same hallway a few minutes later to find it totally cleared of bodies...as if you never even did the foul deed at all.  That, to me, is far worse than the violence, in my opinion.


    TL,DR:

    Violence in games isn't the problem.  Unrealistically consequence free violence is the problem.

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  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 715
    No. Lag does.
  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    actually no, They make me pretty mellow
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  • ArcticLordenArcticLorden Member, AMA Guest CommonPosts: 7
    edited September 2015
    I played some Postal 2. Hacked someone's head off with a shovel. Have I ever done that in real life? No. Ever fantasized of doing that? Hell no.  

    Games do not make psychopathic killers – the society does! (+genes+environment+chance+whoknowswhat)
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Well they do cause immature behavior amongst adults for sure.  And one thing I have always wondered about the amount of people on mental medicine compared to other countries.  For example our society watches brutal violence on a daily basis and there are places where people actually see brutal violence first hand.  Yet our society is all drugged up and theirs is not.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • H0urg1assH0urg1ass Member EpicPosts: 2,234
    It has far far more to do with the social support network that a person has around them than video games.  I've been playing violent video games for 20 years now, but I've been playing them with a great group of friends.  We have fun, we laugh, we drink, we pick on each other a little and if anyone ever expressed real world violent tendencies, against others or themselves, then we'd talk them down.
  • DullahanDullahan Member EpicPosts: 4,516
    I've killed 100s of thousands of people in video games over the years, but no one in real life. Guess not.


  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,795
    Going to the fourm of a mmo that don't put down the hammer make one more violent then the game it self. But most of the time people come in to video game with there own mind set in how they see the world and people don't follow them or there idea in what they see the world as then they become violent.

  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,567
    It's a stupid idea that video games lead to violence. We grow up on it from a very young age. Cartoons are often violent, video games are violent, as are TV shows, Movies, there's a whole host of different entertainment media that revolves around violence.

    You're far more likely to provoke a violent response with religion or politics.
  • PyukPyuk Member UncommonPosts: 748
    No, but uninformed media hype does.

    I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.

  • azmundaiazmundai Member UncommonPosts: 1,419
    More likely that violent people like violent video games.

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • RoguewizRoguewiz Member UncommonPosts: 694
    If the overwhelming desire to throw my controller through my tv screen when I die in Dark Souls counts; then yes, they make me violent.

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    filmoret said:
    Well they do cause immature behavior amongst adults for sure.  And one thing I have always wondered about the amount of people on mental medicine compared to other countries.  For example our society watches brutal violence on a daily basis and there are places where people actually see brutal violence first hand.  Yet our society is all drugged up and theirs is not.

    I think that's pigeon-holing a little bit. Video games cause immature behavior the same way that they cause violence. What I'm saying is they don't cause that at all. Does driving cause immature behavior? What about Black Friday? Parking your car? Watching your kids play sports? 

    Sorry, immature behavior is simply one more thing that's learned. 

    Then, again, you're associating violence with drugs or needing to be drugged. Without bringing out all the NRA fanatics, did you ever think that it could possibly just be the fact that people have easier access to weapons? Sandy Hook was a great example of a reason NOT to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people. Also, there's really no good reason I can think of for semi-automatic or automatic rifles of any kind. Why can the public even get these? 

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  • JakeSimJakeSim Member RarePosts: 873
    My answer is simple and short.

    LOL, no. Unless you are mentally unstable there will not be any issues. I started at a very young age and am prolly one of the most docile people I know. I feel bad for hurting a fly lol.
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    CrazKanuk said:
    filmoret said:
    Well they do cause immature behavior amongst adults for sure.  And one thing I have always wondered about the amount of people on mental medicine compared to other countries.  For example our society watches brutal violence on a daily basis and there are places where people actually see brutal violence first hand.  Yet our society is all drugged up and theirs is not.

    I think that's pigeon-holing a little bit. Video games cause immature behavior the same way that they cause violence. What I'm saying is they don't cause that at all. Does driving cause immature behavior? What about Black Friday? Parking your car? Watching your kids play sports? 

    Sorry, immature behavior is simply one more thing that's learned. 

    Then, again, you're associating violence with drugs or needing to be drugged. Without bringing out all the NRA fanatics, did you ever think that it could possibly just be the fact that people have easier access to weapons? Sandy Hook was a great example of a reason NOT to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people. Also, there's really no good reason I can think of for semi-automatic or automatic rifles of any kind. Why can the public even get these? 

    I meant legal drugs given by psychiatrists.  Our society has more mental problems because they enjoy the violence that some societies live.  It takes longer for our children to become responsible then ever before.  In early 1900's it was normal for a 14-15 year old to get married and start a family and career.  Now you have to ad 10 years to that figure and still many are  not responsible enough to hold a decent job.  I'm not saying it causes people to murder each other but its a part of society that causes a huge irresponsible lifestyle.  You just don't see people like the president or senator playing warcraft.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    filmoret said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    filmoret said:
    Well they do cause immature behavior amongst adults for sure.  And one thing I have always wondered about the amount of people on mental medicine compared to other countries.  For example our society watches brutal violence on a daily basis and there are places where people actually see brutal violence first hand.  Yet our society is all drugged up and theirs is not.

    I think that's pigeon-holing a little bit. Video games cause immature behavior the same way that they cause violence. What I'm saying is they don't cause that at all. Does driving cause immature behavior? What about Black Friday? Parking your car? Watching your kids play sports? 

    Sorry, immature behavior is simply one more thing that's learned. 

    Then, again, you're associating violence with drugs or needing to be drugged. Without bringing out all the NRA fanatics, did you ever think that it could possibly just be the fact that people have easier access to weapons? Sandy Hook was a great example of a reason NOT to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people. Also, there's really no good reason I can think of for semi-automatic or automatic rifles of any kind. Why can the public even get these? 

    I meant legal drugs given by psychiatrists.  Our society has more mental problems because they enjoy the violence that some societies live.  It takes longer for our children to become responsible then ever before.  In early 1900's it was normal for a 14-15 year old to get married and start a family and career.  Now you have to ad 10 years to that figure and still many are  not responsible enough to hold a decent job.  I'm not saying it causes people to murder each other but its a part of society that causes a huge irresponsible lifestyle.  You just don't see people like the president or senator playing warcraft.

    Are you suggesting that the President or a Senator couldn't or don't? Actually there's a good reason for that, too. It's probably the same reason, there was a senator back in 2012 who WAS outed for playing WoW and then dragged through the mud like the things she said in-game or the actions she took in-game were somehow linked to how she behaved in real life. So I don't think that it's a video game thing, or a WoW thing, or anything else. I think that in North America, we've campaigned LONG and HARD for things like animal rights and we're just now catching up to that with human rights. 

    I know you were talking about prescription drugs. What I'm saying is that on any given day, I can walk down the street and see people, "normal" people, who aren't medicated, doing completely crude, ruthless, and violent things. It's the way these things are propagated. It's mob mentality. 

    As far as the maturity level of our youth, we can thank parents for that (and yes I am a parent). We can thank people for helping their kids to believe that they're "perfect" just the way they are, or "they can be president when they grow up!" or "Do whatever they want with their lives!" It's the parents whose kids can do no wrong, don't remain accountable for their actions, and aren't forced/allowed to stick up for themselves, but their parents step in instead to shield them. It's parents who got fucking peanut butter taken out of schools, who contemplate whether or not they should put their kids on a gluten-free diet "just in case", or breastfeed until their kids are 8 years old!!!!!! Let's blame it on drugs, though..... (prescription or otherwise) because it absolutely CANNOT be parents who are fucking up the world of tomorrow, today!


    Crazkanuk

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