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Need help upgrading AMD machine
AMD Athlon X4 750K CPU
MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Motherboard
2GB Gigabyte Radeon R9 270X Graphics Card
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM
1TB Western Digital Caviar Black Hard Drive:
500W Corsair CX500 Power Supply
With this setup I get 20-35 FPS on lowest settings on games such as Dayz, H1Z1, Arma3. This is all on multiplayer.
I want to upgrade my rig so I can run these games on med-high settings with 50-60 FPS.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 Motherboard
2GB Gigabyte Radeon R9 270X Graphics Card
8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM
1TB Western Digital Caviar Black Hard Drive:
500W Corsair CX500 Power Supply
With this setup I get 20-35 FPS on lowest settings on games such as Dayz, H1Z1, Arma3. This is all on multiplayer.
I want to upgrade my rig so I can run these games on med-high settings with 50-60 FPS.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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If it's a CPU bottleneck, then you're going to be stuck to a considerable degree, as there simply aren't any CPUs that are 2 1/2 times as powerful as the one you have now, apart from some very expensive ones in code that scales well to many CPU cores. Never underestimate the ability of slow software to run poorly even on very fast hardware.
You don't really have that bad of a system, but if you don't want to change out a new motherboard/chip, I would simply replace that AMD R9 270x With a Nvidia GTX 970. That R9 270 is just a rebadged 7870HD. Even the GTX 960 will have better performance.
The CPU cant keep up with it.
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Yeah, the CPU and motherboard are older, yeah you can find faster video cards. The system you have is actually pretty well balanced out - such that upgrading any one side of it you'll end up limited by the other side.
Upgrading the graphics - that'll get you some FPS in some of your games, but not all - some of those cases your wanting improvement on are going to be CPU bound. You could drop a Titan X in there, and still not get to what your wanting on some of the games.
Upgrading the CPU ~could~ be done just by overclocking - that's the cheapest and easiest way around the entire thing. Maybe slap a bigger/better cooler on it, crank it for as much as you can get out of it, and see if that helps. You'd still have the same GPU, but that GPU should be able to get you to mid-level graphics on most games if there's enough CPU behind it.
Beyond that, really, to upgrade the CPU your looking at a new Motherboard. New motherboard means 95% chance you'll need a new Windows license. Add all that up, and your within a stone's throw of just having a new computer.
Your kinda in the donut hole of computers. If it were me, I would overclock for Jesus, get the best I could, and save that $300-400 until you can get more like $600-800. Then I would ebay/donate this entire computer as a working unit (they sell/donate/tax writeoff for a lot more that way), and get yourself a brand new computer that gets you to where you ware wanting to be performance wise. You aren't dealing with mixing older equipment and newer equipment, you have two complete and working machines (the original of which you can sell and put towards the expense of the second), and you aren't going to be bottlenecked anywhere significant and chasing upgrade after upgrade on the same rig.
You'd probably gain some performance by upgrading the GPU, but it's not a miracle fix because then your CPU wouldn't be fast enough to keep up. On the other hand you'd likely also gain some speed by upgrading your CPU, but then the GPU wouldn't keep up.
I'd recommend waiting with the upgrade until you can buy new GPU + CPU + motherboard all at once, and add SSD disk while you're at it. Your RAM, case, power supply, and HDD look like they're still good enough and you could probably avoid having to replace them. Or alternatively I'd recommend buying a new computer.
There's no easy fix for your whole computer getting old.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fphq23
Combo includes
- FX 6300
- *AM3+ mATX mobo SLI/Xfire capable (Memory Standard: DDR3 2400+(OC)/ 2100(OC)/ 1866(OC)/ 1800(OC)/ 1600(OC)/ 1333/ 1066 non-ECC, un-buffered)
- EVGA GTX 960 2GB SC
base total: $348.87
total after rebates: $326.86
*Make sure your memory is within tolerance of the mobos capability. It does have a wide range so there is a high probability it is compatible.
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edit: scratch that, nvme needs PCIe 3.0, this board has 2.0
I would say that a game that can't run well at minimum settings on a Radeon HD 7870/Radeon R9 270X is doing something severely wrong. Reducing the base amount of CPU power that it takes to run a game isn't trivial to do, but reducing the GPU power sure is. Just reduce the resolution and draw distances and you've greatly lightened the GPU load, in addition to the option to turn off any sort of anti-aliasing or post processing.
Unofficially I've heard of many cases where Microsoft allows it even if it's against license agreement. I think it might have something to do with who originally bought the license from them or activated it. No-one really knows for certain when Microsoft is going to let you re-use OEM license except Microsoft, and they aren't telling.
Windows licensing is terribly obfuscated, and changes a good deal from version to version. But the basic thumbrule that has held mostly true throughout the versions is:
- "Full Retail" editions are transferable so long as they are only installed on one computer at a time, but cost more up front. Most people do not have a "Full Retail" edition
- OEM editions (those pre-installed on a computer, or purchased as an OEM license) are valid for the computer they are installed upon only. "Computer' is loosely defined as the motherboard for the purposes of upgrading components
- "Upgrade" editions take on the rules of whatever version of Windows they upgraded from (Full Retail or OEM) - I think they dropped Upgrade editions with Win8 and WIn10, thankfully, but a lot of VIsta/7 editions that people are still running are Upgrade editions.
- Enterprise edition has it's own set of rules, most people do not have an Enterprise license.
Windows will trigger reactivation whenever it detects enough changes in your hardware configuration, and always after a motherboard change - some people assume that just because Microsoft allows an invalid activation that it's legal - but they are not quite the same thing. I wouldn't recommend anything that's not legal without someone knowing that's the case up front.
I usually make the assumption that most people will need (as in a legal sense, not so much an actual sense) a new Windows license with a new computer or a new motherboard. I'm not the one buying it for them, I do that for budgeting purposes, so they can see what the cost is. It's up to them to actually purchase it, or ignore it to obtain/reuse Windows in some non-legal means and repurpose that money however they see fit.
970 Pixel rate is 110% faster then the 270X
970 Texel rate is 37% faster then the 270X
970 Memory Bandwidth is 25% faster then the 270X
Even with his CPU he will be able to run all his games on medium/high as he specified.
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Go intel Nvidia best combo and best performence
If you want to stick with the FM2 socket motherboard, you could simply upgrade to say an A8, the A8 line is the highest CPU power in die of the FM2 chips. You might want to think the A10's, but no, they have more GPU power in the die. An A8 6600K or better would run about $150.
Other than that, you've got a good setup of parts already. Though I would stick to my prior statement of upgrading to an AM3+ board/processor. If your heart is set on AMD.
If you aren't set on sticking with AMD, I recommend pretty much anything in the i5 or i7 families for intel chips. The i5 series is relatively the same as the A8 in terms of function and power. Though the A8 line has better graphics processing (Radeon 6850 on die compared to intel HD 5k)... Unless going with intel and using a dedicated on the side. These chips are meant more for general computing, not gaming. For gaming you want a dedicated processor, whether intel or AMD, and a dedicated graphics card.
There is also a matter of chipset. I don't know much of the intel chipsets, however for AMD, you want something in the neighborhood of the 990fx for gaming. AMD chipset information: http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/chipsets
Intel chipset information: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/chipsets-overview.html
Edit: Grammar