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SoL Is this just a marketing scheme and have we all been played for suckers?
Boneserino
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I just thought it might be good to start our own discussion about Saga of L and its apparent marketing direction.
It appears to me upon review that we have given this title probably more attention than it deserves at this point due to rather .....aggressive shall we say? .... attitude toward marketing this game.
Its not really new. Most hardcore and PvP games tend to be this way, and I understand that. But this game/ person seems to be taking this a step further. There seems to be no attempt to entice those who might be sitting on the fence or those who just want to maybe try it and see whats up.
The attitude seems to be: give us your money, if you like it fine, if you don't f*** off!
Generally I understand when a niche game says this is what we are making and it may not be for you. For me that was Repop, but I liked the devs and was willing to give it a go. Not my style but in the end I respect their vision. And I also will defend a game that says it is for a certain type of gamer and if you aren't that type you probably won't like it.
In other words treat each person as an individual, and don't lump us all together as " F2P cry babies"
I am also a bit surprised that this PR person seems to have been given a soapbox by this site to say whatever comes out of his mouth, but as per usual, the forum mods have come down heavy, when it comes to actually disagreeing with someone who apparently is part of a dev team. It just smacks of lets kiss their ass and screw the people who come here regularly to post.
End of the day, this whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth concerning gaming. There really seems to be a huge divide, where I previously, naively assumed that we all had the basic goals in mind. But it seems we are now pitting gamer vs. gamer in some type of popularity contest. Come to our side, the rest of those guys are ( carebears, PvP asshats etc.)
I suppose my question is does it have to be this way? Are we starting to make games in order to exclude others? Are we becoming a bunch of private clubs with requirement for membership? Will this type of game marketing succeed and will we see more of it?
It appears to me upon review that we have given this title probably more attention than it deserves at this point due to rather .....aggressive shall we say? .... attitude toward marketing this game.
Its not really new. Most hardcore and PvP games tend to be this way, and I understand that. But this game/ person seems to be taking this a step further. There seems to be no attempt to entice those who might be sitting on the fence or those who just want to maybe try it and see whats up.
The attitude seems to be: give us your money, if you like it fine, if you don't f*** off!
Generally I understand when a niche game says this is what we are making and it may not be for you. For me that was Repop, but I liked the devs and was willing to give it a go. Not my style but in the end I respect their vision. And I also will defend a game that says it is for a certain type of gamer and if you aren't that type you probably won't like it.
In other words treat each person as an individual, and don't lump us all together as " F2P cry babies"
I am also a bit surprised that this PR person seems to have been given a soapbox by this site to say whatever comes out of his mouth, but as per usual, the forum mods have come down heavy, when it comes to actually disagreeing with someone who apparently is part of a dev team. It just smacks of lets kiss their ass and screw the people who come here regularly to post.
End of the day, this whole thing has left a bad taste in my mouth concerning gaming. There really seems to be a huge divide, where I previously, naively assumed that we all had the basic goals in mind. But it seems we are now pitting gamer vs. gamer in some type of popularity contest. Come to our side, the rest of those guys are ( carebears, PvP asshats etc.)
I suppose my question is does it have to be this way? Are we starting to make games in order to exclude others? Are we becoming a bunch of private clubs with requirement for membership? Will this type of game marketing succeed and will we see more of it?
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"Have you ever talked to the Tim or Emma, or even Bradley on the SoL forums or in the live streams?"
I'd love to know as you seem to have some definite opinion about the Devs and their game and how they should be doing things...
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We'd all do well to remember the immortal words of Bill and Ted, "Be excellent to each other".
If the game or Renfell's position bothers you don't purchase or play the game. If you are seriously that disturbed by his comments on his website don't go there. But I am more than sure he would love to thank you for all the free advertising you have provided for his game. I. for one, am looking forward to this type of game as it reminds me of the old MUD and static picture MMORPG's I played in days gone by. Here's hoping Saga of Lucimia gets completed and enjoys the success that the SoL team is aiming for.
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Yeah but pantheon devs did not badmouth any particular group of players and then claimed that they are being indecent because they don't want to be "politically correct", we ask since when did decency and common sense became a matter of "political correctness"?
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Taken out of context by many on these forums; read it and form your own opinion.
Having said that, he doesn't and it's his company so he can act however he wants. If it works for him then fine. If it eventually it bites him in the butt then that's a lesson he can process however he wants.
On the other hand, too often people like songs or movies/actors, art, musical pieces, "whatever" that they might think are brilliant but the creators leave a lot to be desired.
We would miss out on a lot of great things if we always judged the work by the creators.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
In sharp contrast to Mr. Appleton and his KS scam, this game is not asking for donations and they are specifically not asking by pretending to be all things to all players which is the typical KS hook.
Is the producer a bit too much "in your face" with replies here? Yeah, maybe so. It's why even small indie studios typically have a community manager type person to do most of the talking with fans and other interested people. As soon as he said fuck you he seemed to hit a raw nerve especially with the MMO crowd so used to having even their most outrageous insulting rants catered to with polite responses.
That seems to be the part most here want to talk about. How dare he tell us he doesn't want to hear our premature gripes!
Personally I don't give much of a shit about that. I want to see the beef when there's beef to show. Until then this, like all games this early in development, is just a mild curiosity I'll put in the back of my mind as something worth keeping an eye on.
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http://www.stormhavenstudios.com/terms-of-service/$200 per seat role play.
http://sagaoflucimia.com/forums/index.php?threads/saturday-night-roleplay-group.41/
Pre-orders opening in the next couple weeks.
Shrug... I'm not in the habit of buying any games before they're ready. And it isn't a KS campaign just pre-orders catering to the committed... which is the term I prefer for people who put a lot of money and emotional energy into games way too early since it reminds me of residence in mental institutions.
The "get in early and have your ideas be part of devlopment" hook doesn't seem to work on me for some reason. I'm a games consumer and I'm happy just consuming them when they're ready.
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