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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,355
    Originally posted by rojoArcueid
    Originally posted by yaminsux
    Originally posted by syntax42
    Looks like the "skip every other Windows release" rule doesn't apply any more.  Windows 10 is shaping up to be worse than 8.  Here's hoping some Linux-based OS swoops in to save the day.

     

    Linux needs to support games better, until then....windows it is.

    Without DirectX onLinux our only hope is AMD´s Mantle, assuming OpenGL is the reason why most devs dont make their games for Linux (aside from the obvious open source environment they all fear.)

    OpenGL was years behind DirectX for about a decade, before finally roughly catching up in 2010.  The API is still rather bloated with a lot of cruft, though, which makes it harder to tell what matters and what doesn't, and thus harder to learn it.  Once you learn it, it works fine, though.

    Vulkan will probably be a lot cleaner, as it won't have the 23 years worth of accumulated junk.  I'm not sure if Mantle is even available for Linux; AMD's Mantle specification mentions Windows a whole bunch of times, but never Linux.  Regardless, if the goal is broader compatibility, a proprietary API is dead on arrival.  The proper hope there should be on Vulkan, which is largely based on Mantle.

  • heocatheocat Member UncommonPosts: 178
    They really have the update options hidden cant even get to it from control panel. I had to search it with the new search then go to advanced so on to get that crap turned off.

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  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,181
    Originally posted by heocat
    They really have the update options hidden cant even get to it from control panel. I had to search it with the new search then go to advanced so on to get that crap turned off.

    Press windows key, type "update". Not really hidden.

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  • Stuka1000Stuka1000 Member UncommonPosts: 955
    Originally posted by skeaser
    Originally posted by heocat
    They really have the update options hidden cant even get to it from control panel. I had to search it with the new search then go to advanced so on to get that crap turned off.

    Press windows key, type "update". Not really hidden.

    That's one of those things that's easy when you know how.  For 90% of people however that do not know how it's a bigger problem.  Sometimes on boards like this we forget that we are in the minority, and even the people here who admit to not being tech savvy are more so than those who never go to forums, the granny who just uses her laptop to buy stuff from Amazon or the teenager who just clicks play on Steam have no idea that personal data is being sent to Microsoft or that their PC is being used to deliver updates to other users they don't know. 

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by heocat
    They really have the update options hidden cant even get to it from control panel. I had to search it with the new search then go to advanced so on to get that crap turned off.

    You just have to get used to some new things,

     

    There is now another "control panel" like place that should be the first place you look. It's called "settings" and you see it when you left click the windows icon on the bottom left of your task bar - it's the new gear icon there.

     

    Click on that and you'll see "Update and Security" as one of the options. That opens up Update and a few other tools.

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  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374

    I know i will have to upgrade sometime in the future.

    Was stuck with windows XP until my games needed a newer Dirext.

    Stayed away from windows 8.

    Ordered a ssd and after peeps saying ah ah 8.1 you can make it look like windows 7 i tried it.

    Allmost trew up over my (non touch screen 4k) after i seen what windows 8.1 is.

    My good i did not get a 4k to make it loook like a damn android tablet .

    A Razer windows is constandly popping up saying in need to install it everytime i start op.

    (do have razer keyboard and mouse but i dont give a rats ass about software)

    Installed corsair link and damn right it works in 8.1 peeps who say it dont need to buy an xbox or so.

    Anyways uninstalled corsair link. and now everytime my computer starts up corsair link loads.

    !?!?! WTF i look in programs, nowhere to be found (yeah i uninstalled it)

    Yet it seems to startup everytime with windows.

    i tought ah free upgrade to windows 10 that must be better 8 is like vista and 10 will be like XP :P

    Guess not

     


  • breadm1xbreadm1x Member UncommonPosts: 374
    Originally posted by rojoArcueid
    Originally posted by yaminsux
    Originally posted by syntax42
    Looks like the "skip every other Windows release" rule doesn't apply any more.  Windows 10 is shaping up to be worse than 8.  Here's hoping some Linux-based OS swoops in to save the day.

     

    Linux needs to support games better, until then....windows it is.

    Without DirectX onLinux our only hope is AMD´s Mantle, assuming OpenGL is the reason why most devs dont make their games for Linux (aside from the obvious open source environment they all fear.)

    Did not someone mentioned to you that Mantle is dead ?

    They are working with microsoft to get "the amd instructios" into the new directx

    So yeah we got screwed again, shit happens when somthing gets a monopoly.

    From AMD itself

    "AMD has now thrown all of their weight behind Vulkan and DirectX 12, telling developers that future games should use those APIs and not Mantle"

     

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9036/amd-lays-out-future-of-mantle-changing-direction-in-face-of-dx12-and-glnext

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9038/next-generation-opengl-becomes-vulkan-additional-details-released

    Anwyas you can click on the links on them pages.


  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340


    Originally posted by rojoArcueid
    Originally posted by yaminsux Originally posted by syntax42 Looks like the "skip every other Windows release" rule doesn't apply any more.  Windows 10 is shaping up to be worse than 8.  Here's hoping some Linux-based OS swoops in to save the day.
      Linux needs to support games better, until then....windows it is.
    Without DirectX onLinux our only hope is AMD´s Mantle, assuming OpenGL is the reason why most devs dont make their games for Linux (aside from the obvious open source environment they all fear.)

    The biggest issues with Linux for games is the fact that to use Xbox you HAVE to develop under Microsoft software because it requires DX and the license states that. This means a developer would have to write code under two OS which is doubling the work. Xbox sales make up a large portion of the industry so one would lose a chunk of the market.

    The other issues are nothing is robust enough under Linux right now. Most of the graphic engines are subpar to DX. Microsoft can pour a lot of money into development where as for Linux you have to rely on the guy next door that wants to make a better mouse trap.

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  • Stuka1000Stuka1000 Member UncommonPosts: 955
    Originally posted by breadm1x

    I know i will have to upgrade sometime in the future.

    Was stuck with windows XP until my games needed a newer Dirext.

    Stayed away from windows 8.

    Ordered a ssd and after peeps saying ah ah 8.1 you can make it look like windows 7 i tried it.

    Allmost trew up over my (non touch screen 4k) after i seen what windows 8.1 is.

    My good i did not get a 4k to make it loook like a damn android tablet .

    A Razer windows is constandly popping up saying in need to install it everytime i start op.

    (do have razer keyboard and mouse but i dont give a rats ass about software)

    Installed corsair link and damn right it works in 8.1 peeps who say it dont need to buy an xbox or so.

    Anyways uninstalled corsair link. and now everytime my computer starts up corsair link loads.

    !?!?! WTF i look in programs, nowhere to be found (yeah i uninstalled it)

    Yet it seems to startup everytime with windows.

    i tought ah free upgrade to windows 10 that must be better 8 is like vista and 10 will be like XP :P

    Guess not

     

    Look at the top of that razer window and you should see a number in a small green circle.  These are things that need you to take action on ( decide if u want them or not ). After you have dealt with those the window will stop popping up.

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  • 13lake13lake Member UncommonPosts: 719
    Originally posted by greenreen

    Folks, Linux outpaces Windows in technical fields. The majority of websites you visit (because of LAMP) and Supercomputers run some flavor of Linux. It's not even close when it comes to the strongest computers in the world.

    Sort by Operating System here:

    http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/

    Operating System    Count    System Share (%)    Rmax (GFlops)    Rpeak (GFlops)    Cores
    Linux    361    72.2    196,046,907    276,554,211    15,810,781
    Cray Linux Environment     42    8.4    67,868,298    96,219,129    2,979,028
    SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11    27    5.4    26,411,555    35,584,946    1,047,904
    CentOS    19    3.8    9,753,146    13,134,528    632,111
    AIX    9    1.8    2,920,345    3,464,219    116,832
    bullx SCS    6    1.2    2,709,920    3,497,976    129,168
    Bullx Linux    5    1    3,358,042    4,299,887    125,672
    Scientific Linux    4    0.8    1,688,004    2,007,590    77,608
    RHEL 6.2    4    0.8    1,738,900    2,132,582    102,528
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 6.4    4    0.8    3,668,262    5,040,438    132,410
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 6.5    4    0.8    3,101,749    3,963,802    108,820
    bullx SUperCOmputer Suite A.E.2.1    3    0.6    2,942,070    3,583,180    165,888
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 6    2    0.4    2,433,470    3,032,783    295,656
    Kylin Linux    2    0.4    35,934,090    57,976,934    3,294,720
    Windows HPC 2008    1    0.2 %   180,600    233,472    30,720
    CNK/SLES 9    1    0.2    190,900    222,822    65,536
    Redhat Linux    1    0.2    196,234    262,560    8,412
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 7    1    0.2    217,887    272,794    7,104
    RHEL 6.1    1    0.2    230,600    340,915    37,056
    SLES10 + SGI ProPack 5    1    0.2    237,800    267,878    23,040
    Cell OS    1    0.2    658,112    829,338    19,936
    CNL    1    0.2    165,600    201,216    20,960

     

    Being used in homes isn't unheard of though. Here are stats from Wikipedia about their visitors.

    stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm

    Anyone with an Android device, congrats you are using a version of Linux but no one likely told you that.

     

    The core reason homes don't use Linux directly is computer phobia - that and things like have you ever seen Linux advertised on QVC. Rows and rows of Best Buy computers had nothing to do with Linux but there is propaganda going on  http://www.overclock.net/t/569458/microsoft-attack-linux-at-the-retail-level-probably-not-56k-friendly

    If the masses are told to use Windows they do. It's not a bad thing because it produces crossover when companies also use Windows for their front end people because what they learn at home they bring back to work.  But there are plenty of companies who have a front end of Windows along with some back-end of Linux.

    The thing is though, all this auto babysitter stuff is not teaching people about their computers. It's telling them father knows best because look at this thread. It's xenophobic reaction just to talking about how to adjust settings some even saying nothing is safe(r) so just give up. People have to stop fearing Linux to ever use it IMO. I'm still trying to teach one of my family members the difference between yahoo search and the browser bar, they treat them the same right in front of me no matter how many times I've tried explaining - one is a program showing where you are now and one is a web page. And yes, they still double-click on the internet. That event is rarely hooked to anything. Maybe some people are just never going to be "with it" and they will need Windows for life. Anytime I see someone bash Linux I can't help but think of how many times they encounter it and just don't know it.

    Get ALL games working at least as good on Windows, and we can talk linux, until then you won't see your precious linux go over 2% market share in home pc enviroment for another 50 years, the same way it hasn't increased over 2% for the last 24 years.

  • zaberfangxzaberfangx Member UncommonPosts: 1,796
    Originally posted by 13lake
    Originally posted by greenreen

    Folks, Linux outpaces Windows in technical fields. The majority of websites you visit (because of LAMP) and Supercomputers run some flavor of Linux. It's not even close when it comes to the strongest computers in the world.

    Sort by Operating System here:

    http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/

    Operating System    Count    System Share (%)    Rmax (GFlops)    Rpeak (GFlops)    Cores
    Linux    361    72.2    196,046,907    276,554,211    15,810,781
    Cray Linux Environment     42    8.4    67,868,298    96,219,129    2,979,028
    SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11    27    5.4    26,411,555    35,584,946    1,047,904
    CentOS    19    3.8    9,753,146    13,134,528    632,111
    AIX    9    1.8    2,920,345    3,464,219    116,832
    bullx SCS    6    1.2    2,709,920    3,497,976    129,168
    Bullx Linux    5    1    3,358,042    4,299,887    125,672
    Scientific Linux    4    0.8    1,688,004    2,007,590    77,608
    RHEL 6.2    4    0.8    1,738,900    2,132,582    102,528
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 6.4    4    0.8    3,668,262    5,040,438    132,410
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 6.5    4    0.8    3,101,749    3,963,802    108,820
    bullx SUperCOmputer Suite A.E.2.1    3    0.6    2,942,070    3,583,180    165,888
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 6    2    0.4    2,433,470    3,032,783    295,656
    Kylin Linux    2    0.4    35,934,090    57,976,934    3,294,720
    Windows HPC 2008    1    0.2 %   180,600    233,472    30,720
    CNK/SLES 9    1    0.2    190,900    222,822    65,536
    Redhat Linux    1    0.2    196,234    262,560    8,412
    Redhat Enterprise Linux 7    1    0.2    217,887    272,794    7,104
    RHEL 6.1    1    0.2    230,600    340,915    37,056
    SLES10 + SGI ProPack 5    1    0.2    237,800    267,878    23,040
    Cell OS    1    0.2    658,112    829,338    19,936
    CNL    1    0.2    165,600    201,216    20,960

     

    Being used in homes isn't unheard of though. Here are stats from Wikipedia about their visitors.

    stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm

    Anyone with an Android device, congrats you are using a version of Linux but no one likely told you that.

     

    The core reason homes don't use Linux directly is computer phobia - that and things like have you ever seen Linux advertised on QVC. Rows and rows of Best Buy computers had nothing to do with Linux but there is propaganda going on  http://www.overclock.net/t/569458/microsoft-attack-linux-at-the-retail-level-probably-not-56k-friendly

    If the masses are told to use Windows they do. It's not a bad thing because it produces crossover when companies also use Windows for their front end people because what they learn at home they bring back to work.  But there are plenty of companies who have a front end of Windows along with some back-end of Linux.

    The thing is though, all this auto babysitter stuff is not teaching people about their computers. It's telling them father knows best because look at this thread. It's xenophobic reaction just to talking about how to adjust settings some even saying nothing is safe(r) so just give up. People have to stop fearing Linux to ever use it IMO. I'm still trying to teach one of my family members the difference between yahoo search and the browser bar, they treat them the same right in front of me no matter how many times I've tried explaining - one is a program showing where you are now and one is a web page. And yes, they still double-click on the internet. That event is rarely hooked to anything. Maybe some people are just never going to be "with it" and they will need Windows for life. Anytime I see someone bash Linux I can't help but think of how many times they encounter it and just don't know it.

    Get ALL games working at least as good on Windows, and we can talk linux, until then you won't see your precious linux go over 2% market share in home pc enviroment for another 50 years, the same way it hasn't increased over 2% for the last 24 years.

    It may change in few years more, the % may end up going higher if value plays there cards right with steam OS, as right now with out that new api thats coming out may not go any higher.

  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340


    Originally posted by 13lake
    Originally posted by greenreen Folks, Linux outpaces Windows in technical fields. The majority of websites you visit (because of LAMP) and Supercomputers run some flavor of Linux. It's not even close when it comes to the strongest computers in the world. Sort by Operating System here: http://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ Operating System    Count    System Share (%)    Rmax (GFlops)    Rpeak (GFlops)    Cores Linux    361    72.2    196,046,907    276,554,211    15,810,781 Cray Linux Environment     42    8.4    67,868,298    96,219,129    2,979,028 SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11    27    5.4    26,411,555    35,584,946    1,047,904 CentOS    19    3.8    9,753,146    13,134,528    632,111 AIX    9    1.8    2,920,345    3,464,219    116,832 bullx SCS    6    1.2    2,709,920    3,497,976    129,168 Bullx Linux    5    1    3,358,042    4,299,887    125,672 Scientific Linux    4    0.8    1,688,004    2,007,590    77,608 RHEL 6.2    4    0.8    1,738,900    2,132,582    102,528 Redhat Enterprise Linux 6.4    4    0.8    3,668,262    5,040,438    132,410 Redhat Enterprise Linux 6.5    4    0.8    3,101,749    3,963,802    108,820 bullx SUperCOmputer Suite A.E.2.1    3    0.6    2,942,070    3,583,180    165,888 Redhat Enterprise Linux 6    2    0.4    2,433,470    3,032,783    295,656 Kylin Linux    2    0.4    35,934,090    57,976,934    3,294,720 Windows HPC 2008    1    0.2 %   180,600    233,472    30,720 CNK/SLES 9    1    0.2    190,900    222,822    65,536 Redhat Linux    1    0.2    196,234    262,560    8,412 Redhat Enterprise Linux 7    1    0.2    217,887    272,794    7,104 RHEL 6.1    1    0.2    230,600    340,915    37,056 SLES10 + SGI ProPack 5    1    0.2    237,800    267,878    23,040 Cell OS    1    0.2    658,112    829,338    19,936 CNL    1    0.2    165,600    201,216    20,960   Being used in homes isn't unheard of though. Here are stats from Wikipedia about their visitors. stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm Anyone with an Android device, congrats you are using a version of Linux but no one likely told you that.   The core reason homes don't use Linux directly is computer phobia - that and things like have you ever seen Linux advertised on QVC. Rows and rows of Best Buy computers had nothing to do with Linux but there is propaganda going on  http://www.overclock.net/t/569458/microsoft-attack-linux-at-the-retail-level-probably-not-56k-friendly If the masses are told to use Windows they do. It's not a bad thing because it produces crossover when companies also use Windows for their front end people because what they learn at home they bring back to work.  But there are plenty of companies who have a front end of Windows along with some back-end of Linux. The thing is though, all this auto babysitter stuff is not teaching people about their computers. It's telling them father knows best because look at this thread. It's xenophobic reaction just to talking about how to adjust settings some even saying nothing is safe(r) so just give up. People have to stop fearing Linux to ever use it IMO. I'm still trying to teach one of my family members the difference between yahoo search and the browser bar, they treat them the same right in front of me no matter how many times I've tried explaining - one is a program showing where you are now and one is a web page. And yes, they still double-click on the internet. That event is rarely hooked to anything. Maybe some people are just never going to be "with it" and they will need Windows for life. Anytime I see someone bash Linux I can't help but think of how many times they encounter it and just don't know it.
    Get ALL games working at least as good on Windows, and we can talk linux, until then you won't see your precious linux go over 2% market share in home pc enviroment for another 50 years, the same way it hasn't increased over 2% for the last 24 years.

    The problem there is getting games working on all those distributions. Linux has so many variant and little 'tweaks' that make is hard to work with. Example here was getting Bigworlds server functional on SUSE. Not going to happen unless you recompile it for SUSE and no source so had to use CentOS.

    Now take a game like EQ and get wine running it takes a considerable amount of tweaking on Slackware but not difficult on Redhat.

    Linux needs to standardize or it will never gain in home users.

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  • madazzmadazz Member RarePosts: 2,107
    Bah.
  • SiveriaSiveria Member UncommonPosts: 1,419

    Its pretty damned shady that they do this and that its on by default with no notice of it at all, I didn't even know about it till I seen this thread. Thanks for the heads up I let my friends know as well about it. Also the pastebin is incorrect on the telemetry, you can disable it in any windows 10, it involves a registry edit, and disabling 2 services related to it.

    Url for info how to do it: http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10/ again it works for ANY version of windows 10 no matter what it is.

    Also the tweaking program on that site is decent too, I hate the shortcut icons and such, and it has that to remove them, change them, or even set a custom icon for them. It has other features too.

    Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:

    A. Proven right (if something bad happens)

    or

    B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)

    Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!

  • ClassicstarClassicstar Member UncommonPosts: 2,697

    Warned you all but nobody listen.

    Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!

    MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
    CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
    GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
    MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
    PSU:Corsair AX1200i
    OS:Windows 10 64bit

  • eye_meye_m Member UncommonPosts: 3,317
    it should have been opt in

    All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

    I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.

    I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

    I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.

  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    It's not an end of the world issue like some people are making it sound.  I haven't noticed any issues, but I don't like sharing my resources without actively initiating it, so I turned it off.  Apocalypse averted.

    I self identify as a monkey.

  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383


    Originally posted by Classicstar
    Warned you all but nobody listen.

    If only we had heeded your warning, this disaster would have been averted. If only we had known.

  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    Originally posted by Ridelynn

     


    Originally posted by Classicstar
    Warned you all but nobody listen.

     

     


     

    If only we had heeded your warning, this disaster would have been averted. If only we had known.

    What disaster?

    I self identify as a monkey.

  • NephaeriusNephaerius Member UncommonPosts: 1,671
    Originally posted by mgilbrtsn
    Originally posted by Ridelynn

     


    Originally posted by Classicstar
    Warned you all but nobody listen.

     

     


     

    If only we had heeded your warning, this disaster would have been averted. If only we had known.

    What disaster?

    You know the one where Win10 acts like almost every single other program or service available and either uses your web to provide P2P downloads, automatic updates, collects/shares info unless you disable those features. Terrifying, I know right? /s

    Steam: Neph

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by MisterZebub
    Originally posted by mgilbrtsn
    Originally posted by Ridelynn

     


    Originally posted by Classicstar
    Warned you all but nobody listen.

     

     


     

    If only we had heeded your warning, this disaster would have been averted. If only we had known.

    What disaster?

    Oh you know, Fire, Flood, Raganrok, the sky is falling, etc.

    Dogs and cats living together... more Kardashians being born... etc...

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