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Reality Check on Star Citizen and this nonsense
Warley
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Star Citizen is being developed by a professional that has numerous years of highly acclaimed releases that begins with Wing Commander. Now, if I were to look at the leader behind Star Citizen and seen a profile like say James Proctor or Jason Appleton's then I'd question things. However, Chris Roberts has a history of not only creating games, but also releasing those games to CRITICAL ACCLAIM.
Derek Smart has NEVER released a successful MMO. Derek Smart has never led the development of a game that has received high praised from the gaming community or media. You guys are following someone that honestly doesn't have the expertise to weigh in on a massive project such as Star Citizen. Look at Line of Defense and Star Citizen, and if you still think Derek Smart has some credibility here then you should donate money to build that bridge in Alaska.
But, let's follow Derek Smart, a self-admitted troll.
Some perspective:
Star Citizen has been in development for 2 1/2 to 3 years. World of Warcraft was in development for 5 years; Darkfall was in development for 8 years; Guild Wars 1, far less complicated game, was in development for roughly the same length as Star Citizen has been.
Derek Smart has been working on his MMO space game for what seems like over a decade.
Yeah, I think I'm going to take the reasonable approach here.
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Patience and Perspective.
What's sickening is that a site like MMORPG.com should know better. People like Bill has been here for years; has the seen the release of numerous games and the years it takes to develop; and understands that no MMO has released without delays (some lasting years at a time).
Furthermore, I looked at some of that crap that Derek Smart posted and he does a LOT of stretching. He stretched Star Citizen's development time into 'four years'. Even if the 'concept' was being tossed around since 2011 - 2012, it doesn't mean real, full scale production began that soon (he knows this).
It's a shame that people can be outsmarted so easily by Derek Smart. I see that the community is still searching for their various 'failed MMO fixes' after they found that more entertaining than actually playing games after Dark & Light, Mourning, Chronicles, 38 Studios, or even Greed Monger, and so on. Chris Roberts is FAR from the people that helmed those projects.
Big difference between those projects and this: this one has a developer who has worked in the industry for 20+ years; has been involved in the release of critically acclaimed game; and has a development budget of $85 million. There's NO comparison.
Roberts' 'critically acclaimed' games came when he was safely in the cocoon of support provided by Origin Systems. On his own, at Digital Anvil, he created.....Nothing. No in-house games released. After his fiscal mismanagement there, it took a Microsoft buyout and years of extra money and work to get Freelancer out.
And good luck at finding a 'critically acclaimed' production among his movie resume. Or even a particularly profitable one.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
If they did this. It would go a long way to help silence critics, haters, and the supporters.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
I agree that Chris Roberts has put out some great games and has a good track record.
I also agree that Derek Smart's credibility in this situation is suspect at best.
But neither of those statements mean that Derek Smart *must* be wrong.
Given : Game Developers may fail to meet their goals.
Given : CIG is a Game Developer.
Therefore : CIG may fail to meet it's goals.
Given : Scoundrels sometimes do not tell the truth.
Therefore : Scoundrels sometimes do tell the truth.
I'm not saying that either of those Conclusions is true in this case. I'm not saying they are probably true. In my opinion, they are probably both completely false. But I can also say with absolute logical certainty that it is not impossible that they are true.
Let me be clear. I like a lot of Chris Roberts' games (Hell, I still have a 386 server that I occasionally play Strike Commander on). I want to play Star Commander. I've never met Mr. Smart, but what I have read leads me to believe that I would not choose to hang out with him. I would like nothing more than for this whole psycho merry-go-round to come to a screeching halt with the pie squarely in Mr. Smart's face.
But none of that makes the statement "He has zero credibility, therefore he must be wrong" a valid or correct one.
Chris Roberts' success or failure in the movie industry is of no interest to me, because SC isn't a movie.
SC is game, and there's no doubt about CR's skill in that area. I loved the Wing Commander and Freelancer games, and they were top-notch in their time. That's why I'm eager to see how SC will turn out.
It's a huge project, it has had delays and will inevitably have more delays. It will quite possibly hit some serious technical problems once module integration starts in earnest. Priorities will change and content may change.
None of these facts will change if there's detailed financial disclosure (and there won't be).
None of these facts will change, no matter how loudly the internet whines about it.
AAA MMO's take a long time to cook, and they're expensive to make. By all accounts, SC is nowhere near the supposed budget of SWTOR yet, an MMO that took over 5 years to make and had around 700 people working on it at one point.
Let's saddle the fence to play to both sides here, shall we?
Sorry, Derek Smart (after analysis of his demands) has zero f'n credibility. I mean, this is how he began his last blog post:
"NOTE: When I write in my blogs, social media etc, I don’t do it to be professional, politically correct, or anything of the sort. I’m an artiste, and a gamer. So drama, flair, hyperbole, sarcasm, humor, etc, are all part and parcel of how I speak, write, and act. There is a certain excitement and exhilaration in being, and acting yourself, rather than putting on airs for the public. It’s called freedom. It’s amazing. So, as with all my writings, pull up a chair, as we head into the second phase of what started a week ago."
http://www.dereksmart.org/2015/07/interstellar-discourse/
Titles the thing "Interstellar Discourse."
He's a competitor of the game.
This is f'n entertainment to him with a sprinkle of -what I feel- is attempts at sabotaging or wounding a competitor.
Anyone that takes his points or words seriously is incredibly naive. Just because certain points are raised or has some measure of truth in this doesn't mean the entire thing isn't credible due to dishonesty, misrepresentation, a play on people's ignorance, and so forth.
what kind of video are you looking for?
planetary flight and landing?
FPS?
space combat?
https://www.google.com/search?q=star+citizen+space+combat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=star+citizen+space+combat&tbm=vid
/ Google is your friend.
The small rowdy group with the pitchforks will welcome any supporters to their cause, no questions asked.
They cannot afford to be picky, they need the numbers desperately.
It took me less than a minute to find 'facts' that anyone can research that discredits Derek Smart's Star Citizen 'rants'. I'm baffled that anyone cannot see through what Derek Smart did. I mean, he admits he's arguing from ignorance in his points in part 7 (alleged wife?).... wtf
Derek have some points.. thing is.. they are not new in any way shape or form. These questions have been asked since day one.
On the other hand. There is a fully playable game in SC right now. It is very bare bones and not even a fraction of the original idea. But for all intents there is a game there.
Also i do not really think that anyone at least somewhat anchored in reality have not prepared them self for the potential of SC bombing and coming out not even half of what was promised. It happens all the time.
This have been a good conversation
Man I can tell you right now as a gamer from the 1980s to present, that Star Citizen will not meet or ever meet expectaions, the gaming industry is milking that from the consumer, (look how MMOs have been coming out nowadays) its an exploited genre, and investors have driven up the cost of making games somehow to a point you have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to make anything worthwhile at release. Its more hyped than movies are nowadays.
Don't get me wrong, I was like everyone else buying into the hype of MMOs just to be let down, For a kickstarter game (correct me if im wrong) this is way to good to be true of a game. I really hope im wrong.........
And meanwhile on the next episode of American Greed........
Star Citizen is a disaster waiting to happen. You'd think us jaded MMO gamers would know better, but the amount of blind hype and unshakable faith some of you seem to have in this thing is baffling. I don't know who Derek Smart is, I don't really care. From what I read, he had some reasonable points and the more I learn about what Star Citizen is trying to do, the less the jaded gamer in me believes the reality will be what everyone seems to think it will be.
As a side point, it seems the age old "discredit the person who says something you don't like so you can disregard the argument" thing is still going strong.
On this point, I completely agree. Star Citizen will disappoint due to hype.
If you're speaking from the angle that Star Citizen will be a disappointed or that it could fail, I agree. However, I strongly to actually 'read' Derek Smart's points, research, and then form your conclusion on this.
He has valid points, all floating in a mud of dirt and garbage, dishonesty and obvious attempts at playing on people's ignorance.
no reason in arguing with the OP, he's just salty people are calling CIG/RSI and Chris Roberts out... therefore he's offended people are insulting a game (that still doesn't full exist yet) that he's invested into so therefore he'll keep making spam threads to white knight the sh!! outta star Citizen. Which is fine, nothing wrong with defending something your emotionally and financially attached to.
Derek Smart is a self-admitted troll that has arguments full of holes.
But, please, let's attack the person presenting the counter argument (who hasn't even backed the Star Citizen game) since that person isn't going to blindly raise pitchforks and has actually read Derek Smart's obvious nonsense.
Again, I agree that he has little to no credibility (nothing that he says is to be trusted) and that his motives are highly suspect.
Just because you'd be a fool to believe anything he says doesn't negate the potential that he might be right.
The statement that "He has zero credibility, so his claims must be invalid" is simply a logical fallacy.
I am saying that he has zero credibility, so his claims are probably invalid.
And if they are probably invalid, that means that there's a chance that they're not invalid at all.
The possibility that Derek Smart is correct is unlikely and certainly unpalatable, but that possibility is a logical certainty nonetheless.
What it looks like to me lol. OP is on a crusade for Star Citizen. Even when one of his threads starts to die, he just double posts or starts a new thread.
So to you OP, Derek Smart is right and you're wrong.
I'm sorry but 30 percent of the Backers wanting their money back is not a small rowdy group. It is almost 1/3 of your support and would probably cripple CIG snd RSI's attempts to put the game out.
Chris Roberts needs to stop over promising and under delivering(His promise that the FPS was coming out in three weeks) as he has done with every game he has released. Freelancer was a classic example of over promising what he could do with his own studio. He is NOT a proven manager. Visionary yes. Manager no. Microsoft took over the project of Freelancer from him and Roberts admitted the game could never have been finished without a large studios support.
Why should we believe he could deliver what he promised kickstarters with 2.1 million now that he has 85 million and the release of a playable game is nowhere in sight. His INITIAL goal to create the game was 500,000.00 dollars. Tell me if anyone believes reading the promise of the KS that he could have actually delivered that. So far we have VAPORWARE.
Arena Commander is not what was promised in KS. The next great Starship was a good example. I was more concerned with the ship being able to fly than where the damn toilet was. Are you telling me that designers are spending time designing toilet and kitchen mods instead of space stations that I can land at? Where is the persistent universe?
I would love to any part of Squadron 42 delivered. I don't think you ever will sadly. So is Derek Smart Pompous and obnoxious , probably. Is her right on some things meh some. I don't think that the game is "Impossible" to design as he says. I think CCP could do it and probably is fairly close with their new fighter game. But is he right saying the game will not deliver as promised. It is impossible to tell. Chris Roberts has moved the Goalpost so many times it is hard to tell what Star Citizen is supposed to release. One thing is for sure it better be a 85 million dollar MEGA HIT. Oh and for those of you saying it has only been in development since the KS are wrong. Many of the team were hired prior to that..
Here's some perspective. Firefall was the brain child of people who were apart of WoW and Tribes Ascend. Explain that mess. Go.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'll go with this with an interesting point in yellow.
I was not very clear, in my first comment in the mega-thread, I stated that they need to show us something that has not already been released. So people can get a sense of progress.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley