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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    That's not what the petition is asking for.  It only asks for an extra character slot for free.

     

    Your argument in this post ignores the fact that the vanilla game is old and needs to be either free or really cheap to attract new players.

    It was on sale for 10$ and apparently a lot of people bought it for that price.

    10$ equals 800 gems or 1 char slot therefore the petition is asking for this. Same value for every customer.

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  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide

    clearly a lot of people dont think the xpac is worth 50$

    calling them names and yelling at them aren't going to suddenly get them to decide that 50$ is an alright price.

    if you cant convince players that it is worth it then it obviously isn't  

    yeah it's easy to go on saying that everyone just want everything for free but i doubt they'd even own the base game if that was true.

     

     

     

    I don't think anyone in here, myself included, is trying to convince people that the expansion is worth their hard earned money I think we are just trying to tell them to shut the hell up. If you think its worth the money then buy it. If not then don't. Don't start threads about how up in arms you are about a luxury item.

    forums are meant for discussions aren't they? to have one someone usually has to have an opinion about something

    telling people to shut up is not really a good counter argument. 

    I'm all for discussion. If you want to talk about how you think that this expansions content is worth the money or not then by all means. I know nothing about the expansion except its title so it might not be a very lively one if you tried to engage me.

    Someone coming to a forum to complain how they feel ripped off because they bought the original game years ago and aren't getting something for free because of that fact is not discussion.

    Who are you to decide what people discuss or that is of value to them? Here is a clue.... You're not the one to decide such things. If you don't feel like participating is such then don't. No need to fill up the discussion with this nonsense.

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,858
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide

    clearly a lot of people dont think the xpac is worth 50$

    calling them names and yelling at them aren't going to suddenly get them to decide that 50$ is an alright price.

    if you cant convince players that it is worth it then it obviously isn't  

    yeah it's easy to go on saying that everyone just want everything for free but i doubt they'd even own the base game if that was true.

     

     

     

    I don't think anyone in here, myself included, is trying to convince people that the expansion is worth their hard earned money I think we are just trying to tell them to shut the hell up. If you think its worth the money then buy it. If not then don't. Don't start threads about how up in arms you are about a luxury item.

    forums are meant for discussions aren't they? to have one someone usually has to have an opinion about something

    telling people to shut up is not really a good counter argument. 

    I'm all for discussion. If you want to talk about how you think that this expansions content is worth the money or not then by all means. I know nothing about the expansion except its title so it might not be a very lively one if you tried to engage me.

    Someone coming to a forum to complain how they feel ripped off because they bought the original game years ago and aren't getting something for free because of that fact is not discussion.

    Who are you to decide what people discuss or that is of value to them? Here is a clue.... You're not the one to decide such things. If you don't feel like participating is such then don't. No need to fill up the discussion with this nonsense.

    Hypocritical a bit?

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  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by Distopia
     

    So in other-words, question nothing? .... That's all this comes off to me as, you're either a hater or blindly follow the game, there's no middle ground to be had. No question to be asked, it's worth it or not worth it... sight unseen.

    Peopel wonder why I keep coming back to these threads, this is why, I find this kind of view astounding it just makes no logical sense.

    Kefo" I'm here to tell people to shut-up..". WOW...

    It's a luxury item. Do you know what that means? Means you don't need to buy it. You won't starve to death if you don't own it, you won't die from the elements if you don't buy it.

    If this were a thread about how food prices are rising and people are dying from hunger for no reason then sure your point would hold weight but this is a luxury item.

    I will say it again if you don't like what they are selling then don't buy it. Here's part of a quote from earlier in the thread that sums up your last post nicely.

    "What does your response have to do with what was posted?.....do people not see how illogical as well as sensational that leap is?"

    What you're showing is that you don't like the OP sharing his view on things, so I can't see how my last response isn't fair toward what you said. This is a forum for game discussion, worth of an expansion would be covered under that.

    As for the rest of this response, it's telling of just how much you understand the concept of a Forum. IF someone was talking about food costs here and not in-game food costs, that discussion would be removed. I don't agree with the OP, doesn't change that he is entitled to share his thoughts like the rest of us, if you don't wanna read it, open another page and move on. telling people to "shut the hell up" isn't going to work so well.

     

    It's more to do with people complaining about everything. Perhaps this thread was the tipping point for me and my anger was misdirected. 

    I will agree with you this is a game forum and game topics should be discussed but lately it has been more about complaining about how people aren't getting more for free or how they are entitled to more because they bought something x years ago.

    perhaps I am starting to show my age and my wife is right that I will be a very grumpy old man lol

  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide

    clearly a lot of people dont think the xpac is worth 50$

    calling them names and yelling at them aren't going to suddenly get them to decide that 50$ is an alright price.

    if you cant convince players that it is worth it then it obviously isn't  

    yeah it's easy to go on saying that everyone just want everything for free but i doubt they'd even own the base game if that was true.

     

     

     

    I don't think anyone in here, myself included, is trying to convince people that the expansion is worth their hard earned money I think we are just trying to tell them to shut the hell up. If you think its worth the money then buy it. If not then don't. Don't start threads about how up in arms you are about a luxury item.

    forums are meant for discussions aren't they? to have one someone usually has to have an opinion about something

    telling people to shut up is not really a good counter argument. 

    I'm all for discussion. If you want to talk about how you think that this expansions content is worth the money or not then by all means. I know nothing about the expansion except its title so it might not be a very lively one if you tried to engage me.

    Someone coming to a forum to complain how they feel ripped off because they bought the original game years ago and aren't getting something for free because of that fact is not discussion.

    Who are you to decide what people discuss or that is of value to them? Here is a clue.... You're not the one to decide such things. If you don't feel like participating is such then don't. No need to fill up the discussion with this nonsense.

    Hehe the hypocrisy is awesome

  • gw2foolgw2fool Member UncommonPosts: 164
    They are not getting any of my money until they fix the bugs that are already in the game. Until they do, I will continue to think that they have no idea what they are doing and buying the expansion will just add more bugs!
  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 3,535
    Originally posted by Magnetia

    Many of you are misunderstanding the situation. 

    You can no longer buy vanilla GW2 on their website. The only package that exists is $50 for HoT + core as a 'gift' to new players. You can't buy GW2 then later on buy HoT which is what many were lead to believe prior to pre-purchase.

    So in reality we aren't paying for an expansion anymore. We are rebuying the full game at the same price as a new player (price is not an issue - its value) and while new players get a 'gift' of 5 char slots existing players do not have a cheaper 'upgrade' option.

    Stop trying to make sense to them, they already made up their minds.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by Distopia
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by Distopia
     

    So in other-words, question nothing? .... That's all this comes off to me as, you're either a hater or blindly follow the game, there's no middle ground to be had. No question to be asked, it's worth it or not worth it... sight unseen.

    Peopel wonder why I keep coming back to these threads, this is why, I find this kind of view astounding it just makes no logical sense.

    Kefo" I'm here to tell people to shut-up..". WOW...

    It's a luxury item. Do you know what that means? Means you don't need to buy it. You won't starve to death if you don't own it, you won't die from the elements if you don't buy it.

    If this were a thread about how food prices are rising and people are dying from hunger for no reason then sure your point would hold weight but this is a luxury item.

    I will say it again if you don't like what they are selling then don't buy it. Here's part of a quote from earlier in the thread that sums up your last post nicely.

    "What does your response have to do with what was posted?.....do people not see how illogical as well as sensational that leap is?"

    What you're showing is that you don't like the OP sharing his view on things, so I can't see how my last response isn't fair toward what you said. This is a forum for game discussion, worth of an expansion would be covered under that.

    As for the rest of this response, it's telling of just how much you understand the concept of a Forum. IF someone was talking about food costs here and not in-game food costs, that discussion would be removed. I don't agree with the OP, doesn't change that he is entitled to share his thoughts like the rest of us, if you don't wanna read it, open another page and move on. telling people to "shut the hell up" isn't going to work so well.

     

    It's more to do with people complaining about everything. Perhaps this thread was the tipping point for me and my anger was misdirected. 

    I will agree with you this is a game forum and game topics should be discussed but lately it has been more about complaining about how people aren't getting more for free or how they are entitled to more because they bought something x years ago.

    perhaps I am starting to show my age and my wife is right that I will be a very grumpy old man lol

    Fair enough. :) I think we all see statements that do that to us now and then.

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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 9,534
    Just vote with your wallet. All that needs to be done. We did it with SOE and the SWG debacle, CoV, and lots of other games; we can do it with this game. Plus it can't really be considered a dick move not buying into something you feel strongly about to make a point. I mean, you don't really have to spend any money in GW2, the white knight will keep the game running.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 10,501
    Idk I think the word entitlement is being used wrong. I mean is there such a thing when you are paying for a service?
  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    'In clinical psychology and psychiatry, an unrealistic, exaggerated, or rigidly held sense of entitlement may be considered a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, seen in those who "Freud said because of early frustrations, they arrogate to themselves the right to demand lifelong reimbursement from fate.'

    ...

    The cost of the expansion is too much, I demand it's cheaper. The cost of the game with the expansion is $2 a month, the average sub and box is $17.

    Im outraged that a game has x bug after release, I expect no bugs. The reality is bugs happen and devs cannot fix everything at the same time.

    I want levelling that interests me personally. Says the player who rushes through levelling to get to max level ASAP.

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  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by Amjoco
    Originally posted by stevebombsquad
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide
    Originally posted by Kefo
    Originally posted by hallucigenocide

    clearly a lot of people dont think the xpac is worth 50$

    calling them names and yelling at them aren't going to suddenly get them to decide that 50$ is an alright price.

    if you cant convince players that it is worth it then it obviously isn't  

    yeah it's easy to go on saying that everyone just want everything for free but i doubt they'd even own the base game if that was true.

     

     

     

    I don't think anyone in here, myself included, is trying to convince people that the expansion is worth their hard earned money I think we are just trying to tell them to shut the hell up. If you think its worth the money then buy it. If not then don't. Don't start threads about how up in arms you are about a luxury item.

    forums are meant for discussions aren't they? to have one someone usually has to have an opinion about something

    telling people to shut up is not really a good counter argument. 

    I'm all for discussion. If you want to talk about how you think that this expansions content is worth the money or not then by all means. I know nothing about the expansion except its title so it might not be a very lively one if you tried to engage me.

    Someone coming to a forum to complain how they feel ripped off because they bought the original game years ago and aren't getting something for free because of that fact is not discussion.

    Who are you to decide what people discuss or that is of value to them? Here is a clue.... You're not the one to decide such things. If you don't feel like participating is such then don't. No need to fill up the discussion with this nonsense.

    Hypocritical a bit?

    No, not really. You on the other hand.......

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  • JohnP0100JohnP0100 Member UncommonPosts: 401

    They made amends: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/pre-purchase-community-address/

    Free char slot and refund if you bought it during the phase where ANet's FAQ was 'unclear'.

    It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard

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  • DakeruDakeru Member EpicPosts: 3,797
    Originally posted by Dakeru

    I strongly believe that Anet will not lower the price but add a free character slot for the revenant.

    This doesn't make it that much better of a deal but it will be a sign of good will and I believe that I and many others will accept it.

    Think everyone saw this coming.

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