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What you do or go through everyday has nothing to do with what he said and now you are backtracking. You being in the service industry and people not finding value in YOUR service is YOUR problem. You shouldn't worry what others think of how well you do your job as long as you are doing it to the best of your ability and you have a thriving business.
As for the judging people based on their perceived value of a service? The market will tend to work out to what people are willing to pay, if you have such a continuous problem of complaints about your service level compared to your pricing structure maybe YOU are the problem and not the customers you keep calling "entitled".
Lastly trying to call anyone who doesn't agree with what your opinion is as entitled is a very old debating technique used when you are trying to argue a point you can't win. Instead of arguing the merits of the discussion you try to discredit their views by using negative associations with their subject matter or person to something else. Value is an opinion NOT a fact. VALUE changes from person to person based on MANY issues not all related to entitlement or social standing. So if people want to come here and discuss why they think the value of this purchase isn't worth it to them, great they shouldn't have to deal with people like you calling them entitled for an opinion.
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Given the fact that a whole lot of incomplete games only worth a couple of hours of playtime are charging at least half that much these days and considering that a whole lot of simple cosmetic microtransactions charge for half or more of that amount in other MMO's; I don't feel like $50 is excessive for an expansion pack.
In fact, I'd say anyone who believes it is excessive really isn't with the times.
However, I do feel like offering the original at a discount before then including it for free in the expansion a few days later is a pretty scummy practice.
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So now you're the judge of determining who is qualified to make an opinion? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Who are you to determine if someone is actively playing or not? There isn't a conspiracy of players in this thread making up lies, because they are out to hurt your precious game.
My knowledge isn't sufficient at all. All the features have already been announced. I've played the beta when it was available, after getting two beta portals. Any veteran who has played MMOs for over 10 years has sufficient knowledge of what to expect, without needing to know the intricate details such as story plots, or number crunching. There is no miracle patch, nor is there a miracle update, or an expected miracle revelation. All the major features have been revealed, and what you've seen is what you will get.
The irony though, is that you have already decided that this expansion is worth the price, while also claiming that everything hasn't been revealed.
You can literally post an economic textbook definition of the word value and he will still not acknowledge it. Save yourself the effort.
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And the train wreck continues.....
Apparently Visa temporary suspended all payments to ANet/NCSoft yesterday (exact time is not known) and they only do that if there's a large amount of charge back for a particular merchant/company or too many suspicious transaction etc.
Since a major security breach is unlikely, I'd say the expansion is off to a terrible start.
Did anyone have trouble with buying the expansion / Gems yesterday?
It shows what PvP games are really all about, and no, it's not about more realism and immersion. It's about cowards hiding behind a screen to they can bully other defenseless players without any risk of direct retaliation like there would be if they acted like asshats in "real life". -Jean-Luc_Picard
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What would this have to do with the expansion?
edit: forgot the highlight!
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It is pretty simple, if you think the expansion is worth 50 bucks/45 Euros you buy it. If not then don't.
Nothing say you can't skip a MMO expansion or wait a while since all games and expansions drop in price. If it is worth it or not really is up to you.
Comparing the content to other games is pretty pointless, particularly if those games have monthly fees. Only you can decide if it is worth it or not.
As for me it is more the queastion if I should fork in another $25 (or even 50) for that character sklot or not but what is right for me might not be right for you.
Whining and saying it is only worth $35 for you is pointless though, just don't buy it in that case.
This ^
Wooden Potatoes also released a vid that I think sums up the situation pretty nicely.
All in all, in it's current iteration there's just not much incentive to pre-order. That doesn't mean people shouldn't (or won't) buy the expansion, but it does seem to indicate that if you are unsure about the value of what you're getting for 50$, then a 'wait and see' approach makes a lot more sense.
In general I would argue that pre-ordering is a bad idea, and even though so many people fall into that trap, they still pre-order.
I agree with the point in red
If you know so much from your years of mmo experience, did you know about Southsun Cove at release of GW2? Did you know about Dry Top, and Silverwaste? No. You fucking did not. You talk like you know shit, but the only thing you know is what they told you.
If everything has been announced, then what is the specialization for the elementalist? You said you've got it all down, so "put up or shut up" so to speak.
The true irony though, is that you chose the name observer, yet you continue to be completely oblivious to the actual point I was making. THAT is ironic.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
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qft. We need more logic on this forum.
Why does it always have to be considered whining to share what is essentially a fair but subjective view?
Besides, everything we do here is pointless, what's even more pointless is reminding everyone of that fact. We're just here to share opinions, labeling one side of the debate as whiners is quite short-sighted.
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Maybe the expansion is worth $50 in its completed form but right now most of the expansion is vaporware and tech demos.
Personally, I think anyone that pre-orders now is off their rocker. What are you gonna do when they chuck a bunch of features and deny your refund?
I sold some stuff in my bank yesterday and converted 143 gold to 800 gems and got my character slot for my Norn Revernant that way.
I think it's weird how the vocal hostile toxic minority just brushes off these sort of points. Because they are coming at this like an agenda.
What you say is reasonable, what they say is not. It's delusional pathetic. I'll rip a new on this expansion if I decide to buy it and I think the reviews sound justifiable, but I'll wait until I have it.
For one, hostile and toxic are harsh words for people who simply criticize the price and the way the pre-purchase has been handled so far.
Second your point is: They don't need the usual pre-purchase bonus because they can buy it with ingame currency.
That's not a very valid point is it?
Funny that Anet as a company that does not have a subscription, puts out a outstanding game, puts all extra gear and character expansions etc etc etc in a ingame cashshop for free -you can buy everything so easily by exchanging easily farmed gold, ppl are actually that dumb to buy gems with RL money?????- asks for $50 for a full expansion. The first time they ask for money in 3 years since release.
Yet these complainers have no problem plunging hundreds / thousands of dollars in kickstarters (SC for example, when will it be released? --> noone knows) or buy preorder kits of games that are probably never going to be launched, at least not in the way they presented it (EQNext) and pay for subscription models and another same old 13-in-a-dozen raid release with every 2-3y a expansion which they run trough within a week. (WoW)
No problem with that. But a company that charges $50 once / 3 years? "Burn them!"
Fkin awesome self entitled popcorn whines.
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Source?
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They will argue that (Dystopia and the other one, Dekarau or something) that this is about "value" to try and divert the discussion away from these truths, because they know their arguments hold no actual water. They, and others may be succesful out of bullying Anet to give them something, but that would truly be the actual crime of all this if Anet falls for their depraved demands.
Lots of people have paid full price for products only to have them, the day after go free 2 play, (Hellgate London, APB, TERA, Team Fortress 2, and countless others) and it is understood that it is not your loss because others gain something. But these posters are so selfish and greedy that they will look at others instead of what they have - Instead of thinking about all the people who paid more money than they did,or all the people who can't afford games at all.
No. This ultimately about someone getting a better deal than them. I don't get it. If you get GW2 for 10 Bucks, that is an amazing deal in and of itself. Someone paid 40 dollars for GW2 before THAT deal went live. So is that person who paid 3 times as much entitled to hellfire and calling Anet for all sorts of crazy crap? No.
This sub forum have become so annoyingly hostile since this broke out. It's so entitled in the grossest way possible. Nobody asked you to buy this expansion.
Yes we are depraved criminals because we aren't buying a product.
It amuses me how you say we are the toxic community while you are the one personally attacking people.
he is right..Anet must not give in to people like you...they must never reduce the price..ALSO THEY MUST ANNOUNCE PAID DLC JUST LIKE ESO AND FILTER SOME BAD APPLES.
People are paying for Heart of Thorns. Which as of this moment is half a revenant class, a decent looking PvE map, and an SPvP map. The rest of the expansion isn't done, it's all either vaporware or tech demos.
When WoW came asking for preorders for WoD, the expansion was 90% feature complete with a playable beta and a release date.
Heart of Thorns isn't 50% feature complete. Heck, we don't know what half the features are. There is no playable beta. What ArenaNet calls a beta isn't a beta. There isn't even an alpha client. It's a glorified tech demo, the same thing we saw from EQN at their big reveal 2 years ago and everyone knows how that project is going. Oh, there's also no release date. Why is there no release date? Because at their current pace they'd be lucky to have it done while Obama is still in office. It's been 9 months since Silverwastes, the expansion should be almost done instead we don't even know what's in the thing. ArenaNet could declare bankruptcy before HoT is finished then preorders would get nothing. They're obviously strapped for cash considering they won't even throw a character slot into the basic version.
I wouldn't even pre-order if it was $10 at this point. The chances of them scrapping half the features or just going full 38 Studios is really, really high.
Your point is flawed. When a game goes through business model transaction, you ALWAYS have perks. TESO had, all the game you listed had some sort of compensation to the loyal player base.
My 2 cents about the "omg you so entitled" juice. Of course people are entitled. It's their money and they want their money's worth. They don't have to buy HoT, and they are making a statement. Move on fanboi.
You have no right to judge them. They choose how to spend their money. Atm they are voting with their wallets and you are mr. nobody on internet, to put things into perspective, but them, they are frustrated customers. It's up to ANet to make things right.
P.S: WildStar is going to give perks to its loyal playerbase when it makes the jump from P2P to F2P as the most recent example. Where is your God now? Entitled much?