Originally posted by SlyLoK Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. Yep that is an MMO alright! Lets go ahead and start counting Dice with Friends , Words with Friends and other mobile games since they have millions of people too. Now everyone can be in the MMO category and feel special.
It is already there .. MOBAs are MMOs. World of Tank type instanced pvp games are MMOs. Co-op RPgs are MMOs.
MMO sites need to drive traffic to survive.
Just because the game is on a MMO site, or talked about for traffic, doesnt mean its a MMO..
Originally posted by collekt Agreed, the camera kind of bugs me too. I also just can't get into the whole click to move control scheme of MOBAs. I wish I could since they are so popular right now.
Try play Smite, its the only Moba that i enjoy playing, the other ones ive tried just feel slow and boring and look kinda crappy.
Watch this video if you want to see in which ways Smite differs from typical mobas
Originally posted by collekt Agreed, the camera kind of bugs me too. I also just can't get into the whole click to move control scheme of MOBAs. I wish I could since they are so popular right now.
Try play Smite, its the only Moba that i enjoy playing, the other ones ive tried just feel slow and boring and look kinda crappy.
Watch this video if you want to see in which ways Smite differs from typical mobas
Same; although I also play Supernova because I want something fresh other then starcraft. I'm also bandai namcos fanboi .But it's too early in Alpha to suggest that game to people, before they shittalk it down because 'x' bug happened xD.
That camera behind player makes me feel like i'm in control. Controlling movement is key part of my gameplay ever since I played fighter games.
I've played enough RTS' through the years to not be excited about most MOBA, haha. (got boring)
So nixing the word Massive due to it's uselessness as a word, you are left with MORPG, which technically can be used to describe any of those Aeons of Strife clones. However, what should be most alarmed over, is the amount of money these "Superdata" analyzers make by selling their data at exorbitant prices to paranoid investors.
Think of the word "massiveLY" as your appendix .. it is just there with no function and not very relevant. It just hangs there for legacy reasons.
I fear that your knowledge of the appendix hasn't kept up with modern research. It pretty much undercuts your point.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
But if I find reviewers, or websites classifying as such, you will be the first to know.
and on that note ... i believe the word "massively" is going to be used, by THIS site, to describe the follow up games of World of Tanks .. such as world of warplanes and world of war ships. Specifically .. the label is MMOTPS .. a subgenre of MMO and i believe the first M of MMOTPS is "massively".
No. It's not just him. Read through your thread. Very few agree with this nonsense.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
But if I find reviewers, or websites classifying as such, you will be the first to know.
and on that note ... i believe the word "massively" is going to be used, by THIS site, to describe the follow up games of World of Tanks .. such as world of warplanes and world of war ships. Specifically .. the label is MMOTPS .. a subgenre of MMO and i believe the first M of MMOTPS is "massively".
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
But if I find reviewers, or websites classifying as such, you will be the first to know.
and on that note ... i believe the word "massively" is going to be used, by THIS site, to describe the follow up games of World of Tanks .. such as world of warplanes and world of war ships. Specifically .. the label is MMOTPS .. a subgenre of MMO and i believe the first M of MMOTPS is "massively".
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
now .. we agree. If "massively" is subjective .. then all we are talking about here is the opinion of the masses.
If reviewers, sites like this, and analytics firm all have the SUBJECTIVE opinion that MOBAs are "massive" enough .. and many use it as such .. it becomes the norm.
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
now .. we agree. If "massively" is subjective .. then all we are talking about here is the opinion of the masses.
If reviewers, sites like this, and analytics firm all have the SUBJECTIVE opinion that MOBAs are "massive" enough .. and many use it as such .. it becomes the norm.
Such skillful sophistry! I was delighted by the beauty of it. Not convinced by it but it is well constructed.
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
now .. we agree. If "massively" is subjective .. then all we are talking about here is the opinion of the masses.
If reviewers, sites like this, and analytics firm all have the SUBJECTIVE opinion that MOBAs are "massive" enough .. and many use it as such .. it becomes the norm.
Such skillful sophistry! I was delighted by the beauty of it. Not convinced by it but it is well constructed.
Neither am I convinced.
What I am getting at is we each have are own view of what massive means, there is no norm. There is no industry accepted usage, because even different areas of the industry do not agree.
So we need different terms like MOBA so people have a handle on what the game is. For some that M in MOBA stands for massive for others it does not. But for all of us we know what type of game it is in our own minds. That's why terms like MOBA and MMOFPs are important. We do not agree on what they mean, but we see them and immediately think, "oh its that genre".
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
now .. we agree. If "massively" is subjective .. then all we are talking about here is the opinion of the masses.
If reviewers, sites like this, and analytics firm all have the SUBJECTIVE opinion that MOBAs are "massive" enough .. and many use it as such .. it becomes the norm.
Such skillful sophistry! I was delighted by the beauty of it. Not convinced by it but it is well constructed.
Neither am I convinced.
What I am getting at is we each have are own view of what massive means, there is no norm. There is no industry accepted usage, because even different areas of the industry do not agree.
So we need different terms like MOBA so people have a handle on what the game is. For some that M in MOBA stands for massive for others it does not. But for all of us we know what type of game it is in our own minds. That's why terms like MOBA and MMOFPs are important. We do not agree on what they mean, but we see them and immediately think, "oh its that genre".
that is the beauty of common usage .. .no one needs to be "convinced" of anything.
But think about this ... when superdata is talking about MMO, when reviewers is talking about world of warship as a MMO, you know EXACTLY what they mean.
You may be shaking your head ... but there is no problem with the communications. Moreover, the fact that you know exactly what they means and shake you head .. means that you are already using, abate grudgingly, the broadened definition of MMO.
"massively" is just going to be marginallized, irrelevant, and given many here have been trying to reverse the tide for the last few years with zero success (at least to superdata), i highly doubt the world is going to reverse back to what it was 15 years ago.
Originally posted by Scot I think if the new Witcher had online content, Nari would be calling that a MMO.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
now .. we agree. If "massively" is subjective .. then all we are talking about here is the opinion of the masses.
If reviewers, sites like this, and analytics firm all have the SUBJECTIVE opinion that MOBAs are "massive" enough .. and many use it as such .. it becomes the norm.
Such skillful sophistry! I was delighted by the beauty of it. Not convinced by it but it is well constructed.
Neither am I convinced.
What I am getting at is we each have are own view of what massive means, there is no norm. There is no industry accepted usage, because even different areas of the industry do not agree.
So we need different terms like MOBA so people have a handle on what the game is. For some that M in MOBA stands for massive for others it does not. But for all of us we know what type of game it is in our own minds. That's why terms like MOBA and MMOFPs are important. We do not agree on what they mean, but we see them and immediately think, "oh its that genre".
that is the beauty of common usage .. .no one needs to be "convinced" of anything.
But think about this ... when superdata is talking about MMO, when reviewers is talking about world of warship as a MMO, you know EXACTLY what they mean.
You may be shaking your head ... but there is no problem with the communications. Moreover, the fact that you know exactly what they means and shake you head .. means that you are already using, abate grudgingly, the broadened definition of MMO.
"massively" is just going to be marginallized, irrelevant, and given many here have been trying to reverse the tide for the last few years with zero success (at least to superdata), i highly doubt the world is going to reverse back to what it was 15 years ago.
You are wasting your time. These are the same people who argue over the term "sandbox," which clearly has a common usage meaning that doesn't agree with their idea of what it should mean.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
You are wasting your time. These are the same people who argue over the term "sandbox," which clearly has a common usage meaning that doesn't agree with their idea of what it should mean.
Not at all. I am only wasting my time if you assume i am here to actually convince anyone, as opposed to have some fun chit-chatting.
You are wasting your time. These are the same people who argue over the term "sandbox," which clearly has a common usage meaning that doesn't agree with their idea of what it should mean.
Not at all. I am only wasting my time if you assume i am here to actually convince anyone, as opposed to have some fun chit-chatting.
Chitchatting, eh? Is that what they're calling it these days?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You are wasting your time. These are the same people who argue over the term "sandbox," which clearly has a common usage meaning that doesn't agree with their idea of what it should mean.
Not at all. I am only wasting my time if you assume i am here to actually convince anyone, as opposed to have some fun chit-chatting.
Chitchatting, eh? Is that what they're calling it these days?
Chit chatting, discussing, exchanging of opinions, conversing, etc etc.....Isn't is what forums are about? We can call it whatever we want but that's basically what we're doing. He's not wrong, you're basically doing it by responding to him.
You people just love being stuck in your ways, open your mind a little, there's a big world out there. lol
You are wasting your time. These are the same people who argue over the term "sandbox," which clearly has a common usage meaning that doesn't agree with their idea of what it should mean.
Not at all. I am only wasting my time if you assume i am here to actually convince anyone, as opposed to have some fun chit-chatting.
Chitchatting, eh? Is that what they're calling it these days?
Chit chatting, discussing, exchanging of opinions, conversing, etc etc.....Isn't is what forums are about? We can call it whatever we want but that's basically what we're doing. He's not wrong, you're basically doing it by responding to him.
You people just love being stuck in your ways, open your mind a little, there's a big world out there. lol
Dear Sir,
I must object to your use of the term "lol". What does this mean, lots of laughs, lots of love or lots of something else? I think it is incumbent upon authors on forums these days to specify exactly what they mean with such abbreviations. One would not want to be misconstrued and think a "laugh" was a "love" now would one?
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Lets get over ourselves, we have different opinions and can move on.
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Exactly .. i highly doubt superdata, reviewers and websites will stop calling non-massively games MMOs.
Just because the game is on a MMO site, or talked about for traffic, doesnt mean its a MMO..
case and point
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/forum/1606/General-Discussion.html
Philosophy of MMO Game Design
Try play Smite, its the only Moba that i enjoy playing, the other ones ive tried just feel slow and boring and look kinda crappy.
Watch this video if you want to see in which ways Smite differs from typical mobas
If it did, and it supported enough players, it would probably be a wow killer
Same; although I also play Supernova because I want something fresh other then starcraft. I'm also bandai namcos fanboi .But it's too early in Alpha to suggest that game to people, before they shittalk it down because 'x' bug happened xD.
That camera behind player makes me feel like i'm in control. Controlling movement is key part of my gameplay ever since I played fighter games.
I've played enough RTS' through the years to not be excited about most MOBA, haha. (got boring)
Sway all day, butterfly flaps all the way!
I fear that your knowledge of the appendix hasn't kept up with modern research. It pretty much undercuts your point.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
yeh .. that is just you .. and certainly not superdata .. and all the MMO devs who are likely to see that report.
Don't ask me .. i am just the messenger relaying how mmo sites, reviewers, and industry research firms defined the category.
But if I find reviewers, or websites classifying as such, you will be the first to know.
and on that note ... i believe the word "massively" is going to be used, by THIS site, to describe the follow up games of World of Tanks .. such as world of warplanes and world of war ships. Specifically .. the label is MMOTPS .. a subgenre of MMO and i believe the first M of MMOTPS is "massively".
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
It is subjective, for the new gamers a MOBA game may well seem massive, for those who have played DAOC, AC, UO etc that's laughable. But for those new gamers who have played games like PS2 and Minecraft it will seem a bit silly too.
now .. we agree. If "massively" is subjective .. then all we are talking about here is the opinion of the masses.
If reviewers, sites like this, and analytics firm all have the SUBJECTIVE opinion that MOBAs are "massive" enough .. and many use it as such .. it becomes the norm.
Such skillful sophistry! I was delighted by the beauty of it.
Not convinced by it but it is well constructed.
Neither am I convinced.
What I am getting at is we each have are own view of what massive means, there is no norm. There is no industry accepted usage, because even different areas of the industry do not agree.
So we need different terms like MOBA so people have a handle on what the game is. For some that M in MOBA stands for massive for others it does not. But for all of us we know what type of game it is in our own minds. That's why terms like MOBA and MMOFPs are important. We do not agree on what they mean, but we see them and immediately think, "oh its that genre".
that is the beauty of common usage .. .no one needs to be "convinced" of anything.
But think about this ... when superdata is talking about MMO, when reviewers is talking about world of warship as a MMO, you know EXACTLY what they mean.
You may be shaking your head ... but there is no problem with the communications. Moreover, the fact that you know exactly what they means and shake you head .. means that you are already using, abate grudgingly, the broadened definition of MMO.
"massively" is just going to be marginallized, irrelevant, and given many here have been trying to reverse the tide for the last few years with zero success (at least to superdata), i highly doubt the world is going to reverse back to what it was 15 years ago.
You are wasting your time. These are the same people who argue over the term "sandbox," which clearly has a common usage meaning that doesn't agree with their idea of what it should mean.
James T. Kirk: All she's got isn't good enough! What else ya got?
Metal Slug MMO
someone make it happen please
Sway all day, butterfly flaps all the way!
Not at all. I am only wasting my time if you assume i am here to actually convince anyone, as opposed to have some fun chit-chatting.
You said it ... MMO is now absorbing any that is popular .. because may be the old traditional version is not popular enough.
Chitchatting, eh? Is that what they're calling it these days?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Chit chatting, discussing, exchanging of opinions, conversing, etc etc.....Isn't is what forums are about? We can call it whatever we want but that's basically what we're doing. He's not wrong, you're basically doing it by responding to him.
You people just love being stuck in your ways, open your mind a little, there's a big world out there. lol
Dear Sir,
I must object to your use of the term "lol". What does this mean, lots of laughs, lots of love or lots of something else? I think it is incumbent upon authors on forums these days to specify exactly what they mean with such abbreviations. One would not want to be misconstrued and think a "laugh" was a "love" now would one?
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Lets get over ourselves, we have different opinions and can move on.