Originally posted by Thebeasttt I don't know what's more frightening. The fact that OP has to play an MMO by himself to enjoy it or the fact the industry is actually catering to these people?
This is a huge problem with our genre atm. There's thousands of other single player games out there for these folks, instead our genre is slowly being ruined, because they complain they can't solo 100% of the time in ours.
Well, you don't "own" the genre, do you? If devs want to cater to those folks, i don't see why they should not. It is a free market. No one owes you a game that you need to like.
In fact, just consider the new MMOs not your, but their genre .. problem solved.
Or just consider the new mmo's to not be MMO's at all, but solo games with a chat ICP attached? Sounds more on the nose...
The "rat race" thing depends on the game I feel. There are games with very little content and story, and games with tons of scenery and things that slow you down.
FFXIV is a good example, you can totally relax in that game, it's not a rat race.
Originally posted by Thebeasttt I don't know what's more frightening. The fact that OP has to play an MMO by himself to enjoy it or the fact the industry is actually catering to these people?
With the caveat that neither of the things is remotely frightening, we could probably say that the former thing is more frightening (among non-frightening things.)
and people would be "frightened" by how other play games, and what devs want to cater to? Really?
Beasttt's comment is the most "frightening" as it seems a lot of people on these forums are "frightened" by these two things.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
People who rush to end game and don't even play the god damn thing ruined the genre a long time ago. I wish more developers would cater to the OP's playstyle and not the "meh I'm gonna buy the new game and play it for 2 weeks and hit max level and then whinge meh meh meh" crowd.
I could think of plenty of reasons why players would prefer to play an MMO alone rather than with the usual suspects, mainly nobody really enjoys playing with cancer.
Good read. Very similar experience as I have myself.
I just started playing Age of Conan the "take it slow and smell the roses" way.. And I must say, it is beautiful..
I will take your tip on disabling the general chat next time I log in.. That might make it even better.
Age of Conan was and still is one of the best MMOs if not the best MMO.
Did you read the conan books starting with the first ones written by Robert E Howard...totally awesome.
I am planning a return to Age of Conan soon, applying my anti-social principles to make it more enjoyable!
Also, the collectors edition is one of the best, and has a permanent spot on my "fantasy bookshelf" (several Collectors Editions that look like old books from a fantasy world) next to my PC!
Good read. Very similar experience as I have myself.
I just started playing Age of Conan the "take it slow and smell the roses" way.. And I must say, it is beautiful..
I will take your tip on disabling the general chat next time I log in.. That might make it even better.
Age of Conan was and still is one of the best MMOs if not the best MMO.
Did you read the conan books starting with the first ones written by Robert E Howard...totally awesome.
I am planning a return to Age of Conan soon, applying my anti-social principles to make it more enjoyable!
Also, the collectors edition is one of the best, and has a permanent spot on my "fantasy bookshelf" (several Collectors Editions that look like old books from a fantasy world) next to my PC!
I think the idea is not so much to be anti-social, but to not get caught up in the rat race that many players make these games into.
Originally posted by Kaladin I don't think I would ever play a genre for 16 years without enjoying it. Or am I the insane one?
I don't think he saying he didn't enjoy it at all. I'm thinking that he's saying that he has found a way to maximize his enjoyment. A strategy that many of us could follow. Too many people find every conceivable reason to dislike a game instead of find reasons and ways to make it enjoyable.
Of course, I could be completely wrong in what I'm thinking that he's saying. In which case, I'm still right
Pretty much why I would say that coming to the forums of this site for anything meaningful about a game is a lost cause. If a game is not perfect for someone, they will post about how it is the worst thing ever made, and why you should think the same way.
I can fly higher than an aeroplane. And I have the voice of a thousand hurricanes. Hurt - Wars
Since 1999, I have played almost all of the AAA MMORPG titles and for one reason or another they always ended up not being fun to the point where I just never played them again.
Anyway, this is the formula that helped me return to MMOs, its is not for everyone, but for those who were in similar situations as I was with the same hang ups, I hope it helps you.
so, your advice is to play a solo story?
yeah, sounds like you have cracked MMORPGs once and for all.
Number 5 and 7 are big ones. I've been saying for years that MMOs, just like RPGs are all about the journey, not the endgame. The difference is that MMOs have no true endgame...well the good ones anyways lol. It's more like a temporary coffee break between chapters in a story
Originally posted by Gravarg Number 5 and 7 are big ones. I've been saying for years that MMOs, just like RPGs are all about the journey, not the endgame. The difference is that MMOs have no true endgame...well the good ones anyways lol. It's more like a temporary coffee break between chapters in a story
Pretty much the reason why it's good to have a handful of MMOs to switch back and forth with.
I rarely bother with the "endgame" stuff these days.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
I avoid chat since it's complete 'rubish' : To play any game daily includes all types of people 'clicking' somewhere in the world. If you're not working, going outside, not much of a social life because you have Family, and responsibilities MMORPG are a quick fix to fill that time... yet chances are chat is an outlet for individuals with real issues... Often Annoying!
PVP: Is a way to 'Spend a lot of money' to buy upgrades ... 'Self-Serving-Satisfaction' of "One-Hit-Kill" & bragging rights.
A server may quickly 'blacklist' those 'big-spenders' & in time as 'Most Servers" players find a new game and that 'Server' dwindles to 8-20 Active Players...
Those 'Cashiers' sit on an their throne with no one else to care that they spent a small / Large Fortune in a what I define as a
'bi-polar gaming Industry'
- New Servers open every 3-7 Days. Average being (7 days with 'their' 7 day Incentives) Knowing many players simply leave a server 'to jump ship' hoping to be the new 'Zeus' or be the new "Super Nova" on that new Server.
Point is: P2W vs F2P MMORG are similar these days.
I believe if one logs on 20 out of 30 (Days) ...should... invest $20.00 to $40.00 to support a game 'they' log-in for.
Therefore F2P provides an opportunity to find that MMORG for the next 6 moths to Years...
(Box Price Varies between $40-$60) - Once finished, some never played again... yet MMORG are timeless!
Good read. Very similar experience as I have myself.
I just started playing Age of Conan the "take it slow and smell the roses" way.. And I must say, it is beautiful..
I will take your tip on disabling the general chat next time I log in.. That might make it even better.
Age of Conan was and still is one of the best MMOs if not the best MMO.
Did you read the conan books starting with the first ones written by Robert E Howard...totally awesome.
I am planning a return to Age of Conan soon, applying my anti-social principles to make it more enjoyable!
Also, the collectors edition is one of the best, and has a permanent spot on my "fantasy bookshelf" (several Collectors Editions that look like old books from a fantasy world) next to my PC!
Truth is that it can be fun but then I can imagine that best fun is for players that eventually watched only movies and in no case did bother to read books. However since I know also some books here I'd say that it should ve either massive open and harsh world to explore or don't bother with making Conan MMORPG at all. Seriosuly Conan is one of the best starts to make solid and harsh game such as EvE (maybe with an excepton of full loot). And they in fact wasted it. A few nice landscapes but that's it really.
I think there are times when we just need to slow down and enjoy what is before us. I have always been a proponent of play what you enjoy no matter what a few "loud" people complain about. It's your quarter. Play the way you want to. This post truly helps me to focus again on what is important to me, not a forum or a negative review.
I agree find an mmo, possibly you have played before but all the commotion and distraction just made trying to play unbearable. Use this method and see if the lore/story and quest line don't draw you in. It is fantasy after all.
Enjoy what you have, I know I do...
Alyn
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
Good read. Very similar experience as I have myself.
I just started playing Age of Conan the "take it slow and smell the roses" way.. And I must say, it is beautiful..
I will take your tip on disabling the general chat next time I log in.. That might make it even better.
Age of Conan was and still is one of the best MMOs if not the best MMO.
Did you read the conan books starting with the first ones written by Robert E Howard...totally awesome.
I am planning a return to Age of Conan soon, applying my anti-social principles to make it more enjoyable!
Also, the collectors edition is one of the best, and has a permanent spot on my "fantasy bookshelf" (several Collectors Editions that look like old books from a fantasy world) next to my PC!
I think the idea is not so much to be anti-social, but to not get caught up in the rat race that many players make these games into.
Exactly. That's exactly the solution. I found that I enjoyed most MMO's better by slowing down, leveling at a comfortable pace and taking time to read or listen to the quests (makes a big difference in SWTOR).
Also, don't play with randoms. The majority of randoms are just trying to blaze their way to the end and then tell everyone what a terrible game it is and move on. Avoid them. Play with a few friends that you play other games with and set times to level together.
yeah, sounds like you have cracked MMORPGs once and for all.
I think that is pretty good advice. Play MMORPGs like single player games .. and move on when you are done.
Each to their own, but it's an awful soulless way to approach these games IMO.
To me they aren't even actually very good games once you strip other people out of them... I would rather play solo RPGs designed for just that. If just about any MMORPG was sold as an offline solo game as is I wouldn't buy it.
yeah, sounds like you have cracked MMORPGs once and for all.
I think that is pretty good advice. Play MMORPGs like single player games .. and move on when you are done.
Each to their own, but it's an awful soulless way to approach these games IMO.
To me they aren't even actually very good games once you strip other people out of them... I would rather play solo RPGs designed for just that. If just about any MMORPG was sold as an offline solo game as is I wouldn't buy it.
wait .. we are talking about using entertainment products here, right? Do i really need to play a game "soulfully"?
And why wouldn't you buy a MMORPG sold as an offine solo game? They are mostly free. In fact, i play marvel heroes as a single player game .. and it is the best DIablo-ish single player RPG with marvel characters.
yeah, sounds like you have cracked MMORPGs once and for all.
I think that is pretty good advice. Play MMORPGs like single player games .. and move on when you are done.
Each to their own, but it's an awful soulless way to approach these games IMO.
To me they aren't even actually very good games once you strip other people out of them... I would rather play solo RPGs designed for just that. If just about any MMORPG was sold as an offline solo game as is I wouldn't buy it.
wait .. we are talking about using entertainment products here, right? Do i really need to play a game "soulfully"?
Did I tell you how to play? Nope.
I was clearly speaking for my self, and yes, the key selling point in MMORPGs to me are the people.
And why wouldn't you buy a MMORPG sold as an offine solo game?
Because the core design and play systems of them are usually pretty crappy, and I have yet to play one of them that does personal story well (according to my personal standard). At best, solo, I find modern mmorpgs bland virtual knitting simulators that just offer bland 'busy work' to those that just want to go through the motions for folks that just want to turn their brain off for a while.
So, would I buy a game such as GW2 or SWTOR if they were sold as solo games..? Lord, no.
My 'system' always featured three pillars: A) take your time (there is no race) and a partner to enjoy the game with C) if we can find a guild that is more family than job, join it.
Amazing how much fun you can have just running around in any game's newbiezone.
Chat's off, just because I'm too old to laugh at children's poop jokes.
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Umm . . . okay. Not sure why you mentioned that.
I guess you were agreeing with my point in a way. So umm, thanks?!?
I've got a feevah, and the only prescription... is more cowbell.
Or just consider the new mmo's to not be MMO's at all, but solo games with a chat ICP attached? Sounds more on the nose...
Nice post, this could be applied to more things than a MMORPG.
Good read. Very similar experience as I have myself.
I just started playing Age of Conan the "take it slow and smell the roses" way.. And I must say, it is beautiful..
I will take your tip on disabling the general chat next time I log in.. That might make it even better.
The "rat race" thing depends on the game I feel. There are games with very little content and story, and games with tons of scenery and things that slow you down.
FFXIV is a good example, you can totally relax in that game, it's not a rat race.
Beasttt's comment is the most "frightening" as it seems a lot of people on these forums are "frightened" by these two things.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
People who rush to end game and don't even play the god damn thing ruined the genre a long time ago. I wish more developers would cater to the OP's playstyle and not the "meh I'm gonna buy the new game and play it for 2 weeks and hit max level and then whinge meh meh meh" crowd.
I could think of plenty of reasons why players would prefer to play an MMO alone rather than with the usual suspects, mainly nobody really enjoys playing with cancer.
You mean "ruin the genre for YOU"?
Certainly if that is what is fun for them, it is not ruined for them.
Age of Conan was and still is one of the best MMOs if not the best MMO.
Did you read the conan books starting with the first ones written by Robert E Howard...totally awesome.
I am planning a return to Age of Conan soon, applying my anti-social principles to make it more enjoyable!
Also, the collectors edition is one of the best, and has a permanent spot on my "fantasy bookshelf" (several Collectors Editions that look like old books from a fantasy world) next to my PC!
I think the idea is not so much to be anti-social, but to not get caught up in the rat race that many players make these games into.
Pretty much why I would say that coming to the forums of this site for anything meaningful about a game is a lost cause. If a game is not perfect for someone, they will post about how it is the worst thing ever made, and why you should think the same way.
I can fly higher than an aeroplane.
And I have the voice of a thousand hurricanes.
Hurt - Wars
so, your advice is to play a solo story?
yeah, sounds like you have cracked MMORPGs once and for all.
Pretty much the reason why it's good to have a handful of MMOs to switch back and forth with.
I rarely bother with the "endgame" stuff these days.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
I think that is pretty good advice. Play MMORPGs like single player games .. and move on when you are done.
First Time I Agree Completely with a Thread!
I avoid chat since it's complete 'rubish' : To play any game daily includes all types of people 'clicking' somewhere in the world. If you're not working, going outside, not much of a social life because you have Family, and responsibilities MMORPG are a quick fix to fill that time... yet chances are chat is an outlet for individuals with real issues... Often Annoying!
PVP: Is a way to 'Spend a lot of money' to buy upgrades ... 'Self-Serving-Satisfaction' of "One-Hit-Kill" & bragging rights.
A server may quickly 'blacklist' those 'big-spenders' & in time as 'Most Servers" players find a new game and that 'Server' dwindles to 8-20 Active Players...
Those 'Cashiers' sit on an their throne with no one else to care that they spent a small / Large Fortune in a what I define as a
'bi-polar gaming Industry'
- New Servers open every 3-7 Days. Average being (7 days with 'their' 7 day Incentives) Knowing many players simply leave a server 'to jump ship' hoping to be the new 'Zeus' or be the new "Super Nova" on that new Server.
Point is: P2W vs F2P MMORG are similar these days.
I believe if one logs on 20 out of 30 (Days) ...should... invest $20.00 to $40.00 to support a game 'they' log-in for.
Therefore F2P provides an opportunity to find that MMORG for the next 6 moths to Years...
(Box Price Varies between $40-$60) - Once finished, some never played again... yet MMORG are timeless!
Truth is that it can be fun but then I can imagine that best fun is for players that eventually watched only movies and in no case did bother to read books. However since I know also some books here I'd say that it should ve either massive open and harsh world to explore or don't bother with making Conan MMORPG at all. Seriosuly Conan is one of the best starts to make solid and harsh game such as EvE (maybe with an excepton of full loot). And they in fact wasted it. A few nice landscapes but that's it really.
Thank you so very much UnleadedRev,
I think there are times when we just need to slow down and enjoy what is before us. I have always been a proponent of play what you enjoy no matter what a few "loud" people complain about. It's your quarter. Play the way you want to. This post truly helps me to focus again on what is important to me, not a forum or a negative review.
I agree find an mmo, possibly you have played before but all the commotion and distraction just made trying to play unbearable. Use this method and see if the lore/story and quest line don't draw you in. It is fantasy after all.
Enjoy what you have, I know I do...
Alyn
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
Exactly. That's exactly the solution. I found that I enjoyed most MMO's better by slowing down, leveling at a comfortable pace and taking time to read or listen to the quests (makes a big difference in SWTOR).
Also, don't play with randoms. The majority of randoms are just trying to blaze their way to the end and then tell everyone what a terrible game it is and move on. Avoid them. Play with a few friends that you play other games with and set times to level together.
Each to their own, but it's an awful soulless way to approach these games IMO.
To me they aren't even actually very good games once you strip other people out of them... I would rather play solo RPGs designed for just that. If just about any MMORPG was sold as an offline solo game as is I wouldn't buy it.
wait .. we are talking about using entertainment products here, right? Do i really need to play a game "soulfully"?
And why wouldn't you buy a MMORPG sold as an offine solo game? They are mostly free. In fact, i play marvel heroes as a single player game .. and it is the best DIablo-ish single player RPG with marvel characters.
Did I tell you how to play? Nope.
I was clearly speaking for my self, and yes, the key selling point in MMORPGs to me are the people.
Because the core design and play systems of them are usually pretty crappy, and I have yet to play one of them that does personal story well (according to my personal standard). At best, solo, I find modern mmorpgs bland virtual knitting simulators that just offer bland 'busy work' to those that just want to go through the motions for folks that just want to turn their brain off for a while.
So, would I buy a game such as GW2 or SWTOR if they were sold as solo games..? Lord, no.
For me, it's people that elevates the genre.
My 'system' always featured three pillars: A) take your time (there is no race) and
a partner to enjoy the game with C) if we can find a guild that is more family than job, join it.
Amazing how much fun you can have just running around in any game's newbiezone.
Chat's off, just because I'm too old to laugh at children's poop jokes.