Hopefully other game companies will be taking notice of all the shit and dissatisfaction with their dwindling playerbase in ArcheAge as a sign of how not to manage a game after it goes live. Listen to your players devs...we're not all stupid, un-informed people.
LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Only thing I don't like about this game is after level 30 having one pve only zone open for a few hours off and on everyday. Strange.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Originally posted by Octagon7711 Only thing I don't like about this game is after level 30 having one pve only zone open for a few hours off and on everyday. Strange.
Not strange at all, it is a pvp game.
Only thing Trion did wrong with Archeage was introduce a FTP model. The game itself is good but would have been a lot better for all involved if it was a sub game only.
As to random bannings, I've experienced this. I paid for early access and when the game went live set up an account for my missus. Paid the subscription then it got banned immediately. Money was refunded in a few days. Set up one again, paid the same way and she's been fine ever since. Same PC, IP address, paypal etc. Never did get an explanation why the first one was banned.
Originally posted by Kyleran More good news, even though you may never have logged in since launch, the clock on your 3 months of gametime that was included in your early access ticked off anyways. They never did give the promised 10% discount to the cash shop, so outside of a free glider or armor skin ( which they may not give at this point) I'm not sure you're really losing much if you don't get your account back.
Thanks for that info, I guess maybe I might just have to suck it up and move on regardless then .. Its shocking what these game companies seem to be able to get away with, really does leave a bad taste in the mouth
Lesson learnt maybe about buying into Sugar coated early access promises though ...
You're absolutely right. The things you see in the gaming/mmo world are very strange business practices. Such practices are rarely seen in the real world. Unless of course you count the companies who go bankrupt and/or get sued. I will never understand how they get away with this and how we (gamers) just allow it to happen. Sorry about your account and the BS you have to go through just to get back what you should already have. Here's hoping you get your money back.
Who pays $150 and then dont login to play for months ?
really ... paying for service not using it for months ?
Won't follow OP's suggestion about Trion.
First.. Trion dint did anything to me. I got Patron after a month and still have Patron status renewing it timely.
I don't cheat, hack , buy gold from illegal sites etc. so i havent been banned and no ever experienced a problem with accessing the Archegge service.
Second they brought this wonderfull game to the west. The best MMORPG of the last decade, i am thankfully for that and appreciate what they did to the genre by this step. i love em for this i had so much fun last time 2003 -2005 wirth SWG pre cu with a MMORPG,
Trion releasing the work of XL games put back the MMORPG into the MMORPG's.
I'm happy you are enjoying AA. I'm also happy you haven't had any account problems. But, to say AA is the best mmo in the last decade (obviously your opinion) just makes me laugh. Your last sentence is also very amusing lol.
Originally posted by Bascola Your mistake was paying $150 for the privilege to access an unfinished game, a couple of pixels and a whole lot of promises. There is no one else to blame but you.
So sad, but so true...if you're really rich enough to pay $150 to "play an unfinished product faster", then you should not have any reason to complain.
My guess is that the OP is a poor bloke who was never educated in proper spending habits. I'm sorry man, but now you learn that you need to use PROPER JUDGEMENT when spending money.
Spending money on a hobby you enjoy is not misguided judgment. The fact that this happened to OP has nothing to do with how, where and when he spent money. The fact is that AA is a scam and quick cash grab. This is something you hardly ever know when a game is in Alpha.
I also don't understand your first sentence. So, if you are rich it's ok to get ripped off? This literally makes zero sense.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
No, but then you totally skipped the part about who's actually at fault. So we're even for not thinking things out.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
in fact the game during in alpha was the best form, good drops crafting matter we could break dungeon gear for archeum the crafting mat we need to use and we had fun, then the f2p patch came on launch day, with lower drop rates, forcing us use the lvl 55 skill tree on lvl 50 cap,
also just for trion we had normalization on mounts gliders(really stupid and annoying no reason to go for better mounts), single cast in skills with made then weaker and lock us in a long and useless cast, not really caring to stop bots, hackers and gold sellers (well not even this site try to stop gold sellers ads anymore), and the best of all last week trion gms just transfer buildings owned by a banned person who was banned for dupping to another account and trion still defend this act.
serious if you never played this game don't even bother best thing you can do is ignore all trion games, ever since they changed they president trion reputation is at par with EA, all for milking a game dry
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
No, but then you totally skipped the part about who's actually at fault. So we're even for not thinking things out.
Sorry man. You are definitely wrong here. Trion is absolutely at fault. They are publishing AA. Nothing more needs to be said. Same way EA gets blamed all the time for Bioware. The same way Activision is blamed for Cod and etc. I think you get the point...maybe.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
This is an assumption on your part... just because Safeway decides to replace the product doesn't mean they are obligated to. There are a number of vendors out there which will only replace items that are defective, et al through the manufacturer, not through the vendor. The vendor is not at fault nor obligated to make a refund, they could just as well point you to the manufacturer. They choose to do this.
This is in no way Trions fault that your account was hacked, if you have an account on an online game it's liable to be hacked at some point, no company can 100% prevent it. Call them and ask them to unban it, they will ask you a series of questions and it will be fixed in minutes. I've had issues with my Rift account before and they fixed it super quick.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
No, but then you totally skipped the part about who's actually at fault. So we're even for not thinking things out.
Sorry man. You are definitely wrong here. Trion is absolutely at fault. They are publishing AA. Nothing more needs to be said. Same way EA gets blamed all the time for Bioware. The same way Activision is blamed for Cod and etc. I think you get the point...maybe.
I don't blame Bill Gates for a bad hard drive... I blame the manufacturer of the drive. But go ahead, blame Bill. The manufacturer would rather Bill take the blame.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
This is an assumption on your part... just because Safeway decides to replace the product doesn't mean they are obligated to. There are a number of vendors out there which will only replace items that are defective, et al through the manufacturer, not through the vendor. The vendor is not at fault nor obligated to make a refund, they could just as well point you to the manufacturer. They choose to do this.
I have no idea what country you live in. But, if you live in the USA. You are definitely wrong. In any large store chain. If you buy a product from them and there is something wrong with it off the bat. They will always refund or replace the item for you.
I can't tell if you are just an AA fanboy and looking to defend your precious by any means. Or you are just very uninformed.
Originally posted by Kyleran More good news, even though you may never have logged in since launch, the clock on your 3 months of gametime that was included in your early access ticked off anyways. They never did give the promised 10% discount to the cash shop, so outside of a free glider or armor skin ( which they may not give at this point) I'm not sure you're really losing much if you don't get your account back.
Thanks for that info, I guess maybe I might just have to suck it up and move on regardless then .. Its shocking what these game companies seem to be able to get away with, really does leave a bad taste in the mouth
Lesson learnt maybe about buying into Sugar coated early access promises though ...
The sad fact is that the consumer laws of most countries have not kept pace with the digital age and software companies / publishers take advantage of it. At some point the laws will catch up and then you will see all these same companies bitching and whining about how unfair it all is.
click internet services, internet services, internet gaming.
complaints can be filed for excessive advertising or whatever. For example, RMT encouraging users to violate TOS. One of two things will happen. The users advertising can be cited for hacking which is criminal, or the publisher will get nailed for "scam" if they are in bed selling in game currency.. either way its a win to report.
Also check out links referring to an organization named IC3. It's about time for some customer protection in this industry - Trion IMO was pure bait and switch with Archage.
And yes - these boys carry a big stick - international laws do apply. This is about the only thing this community has available to help them to stop getting screwed over and scammed by gaming publishers. Sadly it has come to this
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
No, but then you totally skipped the part about who's actually at fault. So we're even for not thinking things out.
Sorry man. You are definitely wrong here. Trion is absolutely at fault. They are publishing AA. Nothing more needs to be said. Same way EA gets blamed all the time for Bioware. The same way Activision is blamed for Cod and etc. I think you get the point...maybe.
I don't blame Bill Gates for a bad hard drive... I blame the manufacturer of the drive. But go ahead, blame Bill. The manufacturer would rather Bill take the blame.
This literally makes zero sense. Did Bill make and sell your hard drive to you? Oh right, he didn't. So why would he replace it? Now I'm sure if you had an issue with the OS (broken CD, missing key etc) Bill would replace it without question.
Just stop. You are making yourself look like a fool with every reply.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
This is an assumption on your part... just because Safeway decides to replace the product doesn't mean they are obligated to. There are a number of vendors out there which will only replace items that are defective, et al through the manufacturer, not through the vendor. The vendor is not at fault nor obligated to make a refund, they could just as well point you to the manufacturer. They choose to do this.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
This is an assumption on your part... just because Safeway decides to replace the product doesn't mean they are obligated to. There are a number of vendors out there which will only replace items that are defective, et al through the manufacturer, not through the vendor. The vendor is not at fault nor obligated to make a refund, they could just as well point you to the manufacturer. They choose to do this.
No, I'm pretty sure that's how the law works...
I've already tried logic with him/her. After that, I have no idea how else to get this point across.
Originally posted by Pepeq LOL, um, problem here is that people actually thought that Trion had any control over the game to begin with... do you blame Safeway for only getting 9 out of 10 donuts from a Hostess Donuts box? Silly silly complaints... it's not like the grass was any greener in Korea or Russia.
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
This is an assumption on your part... just because Safeway decides to replace the product doesn't mean they are obligated to. There are a number of vendors out there which will only replace items that are defective, et al through the manufacturer, not through the vendor. The vendor is not at fault nor obligated to make a refund, they could just as well point you to the manufacturer. They choose to do this.
No, I'm pretty sure that's how the law works...
I've already tried logic with him/her. After that, I have no idea how else to get this point across.
What the hell law are you referring to? Go buy a Western Digital hard drive from an online vendor such as PC Mall. If the device is defective, you MUST go through the manufacturer to get it repaired or replaced. Perfect example of what I am talking about. Vendor is not responsible for the product the manufacturer is. You are the ones trying to put total blame on the vendor, not I. State a US law that requires a vendor replace a defective item produced by someone else. I wait with baited breath... every manufacturer in the country would love to hear about this law too. Hey the drive doesn't work? Too bad, we're not responsible for it, the vendor is. Take it up with them.
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Not strange at all, it is a pvp game.
Only thing Trion did wrong with Archeage was introduce a FTP model. The game itself is good but would have been a lot better for all involved if it was a sub game only.
As to random bannings, I've experienced this. I paid for early access and when the game went live set up an account for my missus. Paid the subscription then it got banned immediately. Money was refunded in a few days. Set up one again, paid the same way and she's been fine ever since. Same PC, IP address, paypal etc. Never did get an explanation why the first one was banned.
You're absolutely right. The things you see in the gaming/mmo world are very strange business practices. Such practices are rarely seen in the real world. Unless of course you count the companies who go bankrupt and/or get sued. I will never understand how they get away with this and how we (gamers) just allow it to happen. Sorry about your account and the BS you have to go through just to get back what you should already have. Here's hoping you get your money back.
I'm happy you are enjoying AA. I'm also happy you haven't had any account problems. But, to say AA is the best mmo in the last decade (obviously your opinion) just makes me laugh. Your last sentence is also very amusing lol.
Yes..shame on Trion for accepting players that can't keep their accounts safe.
The people on these forums....wow...
Spending money on a hobby you enjoy is not misguided judgment. The fact that this happened to OP has nothing to do with how, where and when he spent money. The fact is that AA is a scam and quick cash grab. This is something you hardly ever know when a game is in Alpha.
I also don't understand your first sentence. So, if you are rich it's ok to get ripped off? This literally makes zero sense.
yup
my sentiments exactly
will never look into a Trion game again
Actually yes, if I went to safeway and found that an item I bought from them was defective or missing something. I would go back and get a refund or an exchange. This analogy was not very thought out.
It wasn't very thought out because the same applies to Trion Worlds. They are responsible for the end product that they are publishing, just like Safeway is, regardless of the original producer and developer.
Trion had a lot of leeway for several things anyways. The whole thing with Archaeum being so limited (and thus, although unstated by Trion, driving people to the marketplace) is implied to be either Trion's idea or at the very least Trion being complicit with it, given that they keep giving (completely stupid and BS, IMHO) arguments for why it should be this way.
What goes up for sale in the cash shop is also mostly in Trion's camp. They made it clear in several forum posts that the rumbling trees thing was something they gave the green light to implement at that time for reasons they thought would fit in with the game's current economic climate. They just didn't fully understand what those trees did and how they functioned (if that sounds confusing and nonsensical, that would probably be because it is. It's their explanation, not mine). ...which means that not only do they have a lot more control than many people are giving them credit for, they're also of questionable competence.
No, but then you totally skipped the part about who's actually at fault. So we're even for not thinking things out.
in fact the game during in alpha was the best form, good drops crafting matter we could break dungeon gear for archeum the crafting mat we need to use and we had fun, then the f2p patch came on launch day, with lower drop rates, forcing us use the lvl 55 skill tree on lvl 50 cap,
also just for trion we had normalization on mounts gliders(really stupid and annoying no reason to go for better mounts), single cast in skills with made then weaker and lock us in a long and useless cast, not really caring to stop bots, hackers and gold sellers (well not even this site try to stop gold sellers ads anymore), and the best of all last week trion gms just transfer buildings owned by a banned person who was banned for dupping to another account and trion still defend this act.
serious if you never played this game don't even bother best thing you can do is ignore all trion games, ever since they changed they president trion reputation is at par with EA, all for milking a game dry
Sorry man. You are definitely wrong here. Trion is absolutely at fault. They are publishing AA. Nothing more needs to be said. Same way EA gets blamed all the time for Bioware. The same way Activision is blamed for Cod and etc. I think you get the point...maybe.
This is an assumption on your part... just because Safeway decides to replace the product doesn't mean they are obligated to. There are a number of vendors out there which will only replace items that are defective, et al through the manufacturer, not through the vendor. The vendor is not at fault nor obligated to make a refund, they could just as well point you to the manufacturer. They choose to do this.
I don't blame Bill Gates for a bad hard drive... I blame the manufacturer of the drive. But go ahead, blame Bill. The manufacturer would rather Bill take the blame.
I have no idea what country you live in. But, if you live in the USA. You are definitely wrong. In any large store chain. If you buy a product from them and there is something wrong with it off the bat. They will always refund or replace the item for you.
I can't tell if you are just an AA fanboy and looking to defend your precious by any means. Or you are just very uninformed.
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complaints can be filed for excessive advertising or whatever. For example, RMT encouraging users to violate TOS. One of two things will happen. The users advertising can be cited for hacking which is criminal, or the publisher will get nailed for "scam" if they are in bed selling in game currency.. either way its a win to report.
Also check out links referring to an organization named IC3. It's about time for some customer protection in this industry - Trion IMO was pure bait and switch with Archage.
And yes - these boys carry a big stick - international laws do apply. This is about the only thing this community has available to help them to stop getting screwed over and scammed by gaming publishers. Sadly it has come to this
This literally makes zero sense. Did Bill make and sell your hard drive to you? Oh right, he didn't. So why would he replace it? Now I'm sure if you had an issue with the OS (broken CD, missing key etc) Bill would replace it without question.
Just stop. You are making yourself look like a fool with every reply.
Same here - Trion is the only game company that I have ever been screwed over by and they will never see another dime from me.
No, I'm pretty sure that's how the law works...
I've already tried logic with him/her. After that, I have no idea how else to get this point across.
What the hell law are you referring to? Go buy a Western Digital hard drive from an online vendor such as PC Mall. If the device is defective, you MUST go through the manufacturer to get it repaired or replaced. Perfect example of what I am talking about. Vendor is not responsible for the product the manufacturer is. You are the ones trying to put total blame on the vendor, not I. State a US law that requires a vendor replace a defective item produced by someone else. I wait with baited breath... every manufacturer in the country would love to hear about this law too. Hey the drive doesn't work? Too bad, we're not responsible for it, the vendor is. Take it up with them.