Originally posted by Hohbein Originally posted by lex-icon82 You keep putting the blame on the 'out of control' kids... what about the parents? don't you think that maybe kids today are misbehaving more because parents have become lazy, irresponsable and incapable of properly educating their kids? i didnt have to read any further than this paragraph, as you've just proven my point nicely for me. EXACTLY! what about the parents?! they've had all power taken away from them, they can no longer disciplin they're own children as they're parents would have disciplined them. you can bet your life that when they were kids, they're parents would give them a whack for misbahaviour. but now... what can they do? they have no power, if they so much as look at they're kid in the wrong way you know the NSPCC will be down on them like a ton of bricks! i 100% agree it IS down to the parents, but the entire REASON the parents now are so incapable of educating their kids is because the government and left-wing pressure groups have taken any power they had away from them! wooo that was a gooden..
it's always about the beating isn't it? I think all I've managed to 'prove' here is that you are a hopeless sadist.
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Some of you are being a bit hypocritical, especially being removed from the situation. We don't know exactly the circumstances were. All we see is this clip. Now look around the world, you see riot footage on TV from USA, Canada, England, Spain, Russia. You see police officials beating the tar out of people and no one says anything against that.
No one ever thought that maybe the real citizen's of that community were being peaceful and these jerk offs come tromping through their streets and causing a ruckus. I can't speculate that is the case, but neither can any of you guys speculate it was just a random beating either. If there were people rioting in your neighborhood would you not want the police to remove them? Sure you would, by any means neccessary.
There are other ways to educate a child than beat it! That parents can't beat their kids doesn't mean their power is taken away. Like many of us have pointed out parents do perfectly fine with simple punishment as taking the favourite toy away, telling the kid he won't get stuff he wants if he doesn't behave nice. Hey I still remember how I was afraid that Santa wouldn't give me presents if I didn't behave nicely. Parents shape their kids through their actions. Parents that beat their kids, get kids with similar attitude towards beating (You prove this). Go back into the childhood of many killers, rapists and sick people and you will find a bad childhood with beating, bad parents and drugs. That youth in the UK behave like they do is not because they weren't beaten. There can be alot of reasons. Maybe the mother who has passed out the 2nd day in a row on heroin. Maybe the dad who spends 300 days of the year away. Maybe the 5th step dad. Maybe the 2nd new mom in 6 months. Maybe the christmas eve where both parents where to drunk to even put up the tree. Maybe the birthday where the 5 year old boy buys his own presents and bakes his own cake. There are alot of reason, and I'm 100% sure that the lack of beating is last in the line. You don't get a nice child be beating it.
Soldiers that beat up teenagers because they are frustrated, haven't seen a women for 6 months, sad or bored are weak humans. They are in no way fit for an army. They should never be sent into a stressed situation. People like that are dangerous for everyone around them.
That video made me sick scaramoosh. Wtf is wrong with the guy recording it?? Sounds like he get's sexual pleasure of it.
And has anyone noticed? About all that support this behavior in this thread so far have been beaten askinds.
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You talk like a social worker. (Or perhaps a vegetarian woman).
I've been beaten as an adult too. Perhaps if you had more regular beatings you would be able to put this event into a better perspective. Getting beaten is less than the end of the world. And it's always educational. You can thank your parents for bringing you up too weak to deal with physical threats.
Take up Rugby or something.
Man enough to throw stones, man enough to take a kick in the balls. No harm done.
Originally posted by Phoenixs Soldiers that beat up teenagers because they are frustrated, haven't seen a women for 6 months, sad or bored are weak humans. They are in no way fit for an army. They should never be sent into a stressed situation. People like that are dangerous for everyone around them.
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I'd be more intrested in your opinion if you were offering to go over there and take their place, do the job better yourself. But you are not are you? You are perfectly willing to judge them for a situation about which you have no personal experience or empathy. You think it could be done better, but not by you. Perhaps Bruce Willis is available?
Perhaps you are thinking that your own Army is in some way better disciplined? That your own soldiers have never acted with hot temper in the heat of conflict, or wouldn't if faced with similar circumstance. Perhaps you feel that these soldiers are behaving in a totally unsoldierly manner that is vastly unprofessional and are an embarrassment to the high standing of the name soldier the world over.
Teenagers that throw rocks at soldiers with guns in the middle of wars because they are frustrated, haven't seen under a woman's bhurka ever, sad or bored weak humans. They should never be sent into a stressed situation. People like that are dangerous for everyone around them.
Which is why those soldiers had to deal with them quickly and definitively before anyone got killed. Standing there in a hail of rocks and asking them about their childhoods perhaps wasn't the best way to deal them.
Nobody died. No one even hospitalised. Civil unrest subdued. Mission accomplished. Top soldiering. A perfect score.
Not many Police forces can do that. Even fewer militaries.
Parents shape their kids through their actions. Parents that beat their kids, get kids with similar attitude towards beating (You prove this). Go back into the childhood of many killers, rapists and sick people and you will find a bad childhood with beating, bad parents and drugs. That youth in the UK behave like they do is not because they weren't beaten. There can be alot of reasons. Maybe the mother who has passed out the 2nd day in a row on heroin. Maybe the dad who spends 300 days of the year away. Maybe the 5th step dad. Maybe the 2nd new mom in 6 months. Maybe the christmas eve where both parents where to drunk to even put up the tree. Maybe the birthday where the 5 year old boy buys his own presents and bakes his own cake. There are alot of reason, and I'm 100% sure that the lack of beating is last in the line. You don't get a nice child be beating it.
Nonsense psychology
People who weren't beaten as children often turn out to be child molesters and drug pushers. They also grow up frightened of physical confrontation and sympathetic to teenage rioters. (you prove this).
Look back into the mind of a serial killer and you will often find he had been allowed his own way as a child. His violent tantrums had been allowed to continue unchecked. The true meaning of pain was never taught to him, and no price to pay for the hurting of others was ever set. He has no true understanding of what it feels like to be hurt. He can hurt others without ever 100% associating that feeling to his own. Like Frankensteins monster, a creature not filled with malice, but in everyway evil nevertheless.
Dangerous in his under education. Neglected by his parent. A monster able to kill and inflict pain, but unknowing of the physical limitations of the human body or responsability, wrong and emotional maturity. "A" social. Psychotic as opposed to psychopathic.
Educational Violence
Violent education teaches you to empathicaly link the physical pain of others with your own physical pain. You understand by personal experience that which you may otherwise not realise.
Violent education is very fast education. The pain response quickens the learning curve. Sometimes the most important part of a reprimand is the timely nature by which it occours.
Example: If a child is standing at the bus stop pushing and shoving the other children into the road, you could ask him politely to stop, continuing to persuade him verbally, OR seeing that a bus is coming, you could slap him about the head or grab him forcing him toinstantly stop it before he causes an accident. How fast is that bus moving? You decide.
Violence is not intrinsically wrong. Violence as an educational tool is fine also.
Not all the lessons learnt in school are found in the classroom. Many are in the playground. Your standard of English is excellent.
It seems all these people seem to fighting for is that violence is the answer and that is ok. "You don't agree with me?" *punch*, "You don't like me?" *kick*, "You don't obey me?" *kill*. You are some of the most closed minded fools to walk this earth.
Look here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandi , he didn't ever promote violence; in fact, he was very much against it. But people like you probably have never even heard of this man, a man who changed an entire country without violence.
But I have a feeling this is a man you poor excuses for people would more likely be friends with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler. It sickens me to know some people think fear, terror, and power are the only things that can influence other people.
Originally posted by Havoc11 It seems all these people seem to fighting for is that violence is the answer and that is ok. "You don't agree with me?" *punch*, "You don't like me?" *kick*, "You don't obey me?" *kill*. You are some of the most closed minded fools to walk this earth. Look here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandi , he didn't ever promote violence; in fact, he was very much against it. But people like you probably have never even heard of this man, a man who changed an entire country without violence. But I have a feeling this is a man you poor excuses for people would more likely be friends with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler. It sickens me to know some people think fear, terror, and power are the only things that can influence other people.
christ man, your either a 12 year old or emotionally stunted from a lack of beatings as a child.
do you seriously expect soldiers to confront a group of 30 extremely angry teenage iraqies with famous gandi speaches? christ almighty you need help.
no one ever said that fear, terror and power are the ONLY ways of influencing other people. of course they arent, but they are massive factors and extremely effective factors in certain situations. you cant say that a world with no fear, no terror and no power would really work can you? NOTHING would work lol, its absolutely rediculous and naive to even contemplate it.
I'm assuming that is the Nick Berg video...in which case he wasn't a contractor. He was a member of a privately-owned sector of secret service. Those people are hired out to protect individuals. The government doesn't tell anyone this, though.
You make me sick for trying to give me a guilt-trip about not supporting some pig-headed brits who beat up some kids.
videos like this make me extremely angry but it does not give the military the right to beat people whenever they feel like it. and to sit up there and call people pieces of sh1t and telling them to go die because you don't agree with them, just shows your ignorance and lack of social skills.
if a foreign military ever police's my streets and i see them beating my people for whatever reason you better freaking believe I'm going to protest, throw rocks, or do whatever i can to stop it.
Has anyone even confirmed this video as real? Of all the propaganda I see Iran Irun and Ipod use I wouldn't be suprised if this was as fake as that movie they released about an american squad dis honoring whatever...
What I find funny is the fact everyone is so quick to agree to what they see on video. This only confirms the idiots that call everyone else close minded when this trash comes out.
I don't contain violence of this sort, beating teenagers period. But its not like they didn't do anything at all. They deserved to get beat but not like that that was just going to far. I know we and british forces have to act a certain way but come on we aren't over there we don't know what they are going through, I only know some because my uncle is over there.
We haven't experience what they have, and what it took for them to actually have to snap and beat on some teenagers. until we go over there and go through combat and see the things and go through those things we can't judge them. Who knows this could be all staged and by saying "teenagers" they could have been people assaulting them.
I am just going on a hunch when I say that but don't judge someone, no one has that right.
I will also add that was horrible timing with people being captured by those insurgents. My two cents.
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why do iraqies need democracy if it will only bring more violence anyways?
if we become terrorists to fight terrorists, have we all just gone downhill?
dont kids need good rolemodels to teach them violence isnt a solution?
i saw it... and it was fucked up, but theres a couple of possible explanations. 1- it's fake 2 it's militants in dead soldiers gear 3- war fucks you up in the head. look at guantanamo and abu graib 4- america and democracy wont fix the world, wont make anyone happy.
people are just as well off following osama i suppose... the western world is so fucked.
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Originally posted by moonfog Originally posted by Hohbein and quite rightly should have been beaten. Thats just the most idiotic thing I have read. I for one do belive in the justice system and they should be punished for what they did. But beating them is sinking to there level and showing bad judgment and giving out a mixed message.Thats like hitting a kid for fighting and saying "Hey! We dont hit people!" and spanking him/her.
i doubt that violence has ever been the correct course of action.
one day those kids will just be joining a terrorist group, and be planting bombs on school buses.
human existence is so random, the christian needs church on sundays, the muslim needs prayer to mecca 3 times a day etc...
we all feel pain. you cant convince or persuade someone using violence.
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Anyone who throws rocks at someone with a weapon is just plain stupid. Soldiers have the right to defend themselves. It's kind of like what Ruyard Kippling once wrote " Tommy this and Tommy that, chuck him out the brute, it's saviour of his country once the guns begin to shoot. or words to that effect. Lest we forget.
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it's always about the beating isn't it? I think all I've managed to 'prove' here is that you are a hopeless sadist.
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Some of you are being a bit hypocritical, especially being removed from the situation. We don't know exactly the circumstances were. All we see is this clip. Now look around the world, you see riot footage on TV from USA, Canada, England, Spain, Russia. You see police officials beating the tar out of people and no one says anything against that.
No one ever thought that maybe the real citizen's of that community were being peaceful and these jerk offs come tromping through their streets and causing a ruckus. I can't speculate that is the case, but neither can any of you guys speculate it was just a random beating either. If there were people rioting in your neighborhood would you not want the police to remove them? Sure you would, by any means neccessary.
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139824598/Naughty_Boys
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There are other ways to educate a child than beat it! That parents can't beat their kids doesn't mean their power is taken away. Like many of us have pointed out parents do perfectly fine with simple punishment as taking the favourite toy away, telling the kid he won't get stuff he wants if he doesn't behave nice. Hey I still remember how I was afraid that Santa wouldn't give me presents if I didn't behave nicely. Parents shape their kids through their actions. Parents that beat their kids, get kids with similar attitude towards beating (You prove this). Go back into the childhood of many killers, rapists and sick people and you will find a bad childhood with beating, bad parents and drugs. That youth in the UK behave like they do is not because they weren't beaten. There can be alot of reasons. Maybe the mother who has passed out the 2nd day in a row on heroin. Maybe the dad who spends 300 days of the year away. Maybe the 5th step dad. Maybe the 2nd new mom in 6 months. Maybe the christmas eve where both parents where to drunk to even put up the tree. Maybe the birthday where the 5 year old boy buys his own presents and bakes his own cake. There are alot of reason, and I'm 100% sure that the lack of beating is last in the line. You don't get a nice child be beating it.
Soldiers that beat up teenagers because they are frustrated, haven't seen a women for 6 months, sad or bored are weak humans. They are in no way fit for an army. They should never be sent into a stressed situation. People like that are dangerous for everyone around them.
That video made me sick scaramoosh. Wtf is wrong with the guy recording it?? Sounds like he get's sexual pleasure of it.
My parent's taught me everything fine without beating me a single time.
*slaps parents*
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1139824598/Naughty_Boys
Erm heres the video of it :S
I dunno what to think tbh, i would be pissed off after years of taking abuse from iraqqy bombers :P I wudn't take it out on children though.
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Since when is it my german parents duty to teach me English. That is the work of the school.
And has anyone noticed? About all that support this behavior in this thread so far have been beaten as kinds.
lol
Fixed my 2 mistakes. You can stop acting childish now
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You talk like a social worker. (Or perhaps a vegetarian woman).
I've been beaten as an adult too. Perhaps if you had more regular beatings you would be able to put this event into a better perspective. Getting beaten is less than the end of the world. And it's always educational. You can thank your parents for bringing you up too weak to deal with physical threats.
Take up Rugby or something.
Man enough to throw stones, man enough to take a kick in the balls. No harm done.
Oh just shut the hell up. I will not ever read this thread again, so no use in replying to me.
Speaking as military and having been over there, you ppl make me sick.
Watch this video, while you sit in your comfortable houses on your nice comfy chairs w/ you 5mbps DSL connections. Then tell me what a couple british troops did was wrong. You make me sick and if you watch this and you still agree that it was wrong, please crawl into a hole and die so that the world will be a better place. You close minded sheltered PoS's.
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That video makes me sick
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It seems all these people seem to fighting for is that violence is the answer and that is ok. "You don't agree with me?" *punch*, "You don't like me?" *kick*, "You don't obey me?" *kill*. You are some of the most closed minded fools to walk this earth.
Look here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandi , he didn't ever promote violence; in fact, he was very much against it. But people like you probably have never even heard of this man, a man who changed an entire country without violence.
But I have a feeling this is a man you poor excuses for people would more likely be friends with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler. It sickens me to know some people think fear, terror, and power are the only things that can influence other people.
christ man, your either a 12 year old or emotionally stunted from a lack of beatings as a child.
do you seriously expect soldiers to confront a group of 30 extremely angry teenage iraqies with famous gandi speaches? christ almighty you need help.
no one ever said that fear, terror and power are the ONLY ways of influencing other people. of course they arent, but they are massive factors and extremely effective factors in certain situations. you cant say that a world with no fear, no terror and no power would really work can you? NOTHING would work lol, its absolutely rediculous and naive to even contemplate it.
I'm assuming that is the Nick Berg video...in which case he wasn't a contractor. He was a member of a privately-owned sector of secret service. Those people are hired out to protect individuals. The government doesn't tell anyone this, though.
You make me sick for trying to give me a guilt-trip about not supporting some pig-headed brits who beat up some kids.
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so that makes it okay beat people at will? Ive seen this video and worse, try this one tuff guy(and make sure you have the sound up!)..
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videos like this make me extremely angry but it does not give the military the right to beat people whenever they feel like it. and to sit up there and call people pieces of sh1t and telling them to go die because you don't agree with them, just shows your ignorance and lack of social skills.
if a foreign military ever police's my streets and i see them beating my people for whatever reason you better freaking believe I'm going to protest, throw rocks, or do whatever i can to stop it.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Has anyone even confirmed this video as real? Of all the propaganda I see Iran Irun and Ipod use I wouldn't be suprised if this was as fake as that movie they released about an american squad dis honoring whatever...
What I find funny is the fact everyone is so quick to agree to what they see on video. This only confirms the idiots that call everyone else close minded when this trash comes out.
I don't contain violence of this sort, beating teenagers period. But its not like they didn't do anything at all. They deserved to get beat but not like that that was just going to far. I know we and british forces have to act a certain way but come on we aren't over there we don't know what they are going through, I only know some because my uncle is over there.
We haven't experience what they have, and what it took for them to actually have to snap and beat on some teenagers. until we go over there and go through combat and see the things and go through those things we can't judge them. Who knows this could be all staged and by saying "teenagers" they could have been people assaulting them.
I am just going on a hunch when I say that but don't judge someone, no one has that right.
I will also add that was horrible timing with people being captured by those insurgents. My two cents.
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I must not fear, fear is the mind killer.
Fear is the little death that leads to obliteration, I must permit fear to pass over me and through me.
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why do iraqies need democracy if it will only bring more violence anyways?
if we become terrorists to fight terrorists, have we all just gone downhill?
dont kids need good rolemodels to teach them violence isnt a solution?
i saw it... and it was fucked up, but theres a couple of possible explanations.
1- it's fake
2 it's militants in dead soldiers gear
3- war fucks you up in the head. look at guantanamo and abu graib
4- america and democracy wont fix the world, wont make anyone happy.
people are just as well off following osama i suppose... the western world is so fucked.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--
i doubt that violence has ever been the correct course of action.
one day those kids will just be joining a terrorist group, and be planting bombs on school buses.
human existence is so random, the christian needs church on sundays, the muslim needs prayer to mecca 3 times a day etc...
we all feel pain. you cant convince or persuade someone using violence.
--people who believe in abstinence are unsurprisingly also some of the ugliest most sexually undesired people in the world.--