Personally I'm happy they're appealing to all players, those who wish to enter PvP zones and those who wish to play the game without PvP tags ever toggled on such as crafters and social butterflies. I support their decision because ultimately this will keep the majority of our community happy.
Im REALLY enjoying my time in Shroud of the Avatar. Maybe there were some updates after the original post, but the combat (to me) is great. It's old school with a few new tricks. The game is definitely not catered towards PVP crowds, but you can PVP. It's more a PVE game with old school concepts than anything else. The housing is everywhere....very plentiful
Crafting is not complex at all...play the Repopulation (im playing that too) and you'll find out what complex means.
I think most of the hate will come from those that thought this would be just like UO...although Garriot said it wouldn't :P
Instancing might throw off others, but the instancing isn't that bad.
Im REALLY enjoying my time in Shroud of the Avatar. Maybe there were some updates after the original post, but the combat (to me) is great. It's old school with a few new tricks. The game is definitely not catered towards PVP crowds, but you can PVP. It's more a PVE game with old school concepts than anything else. The housing is everywhere....very plentiful
Crafting is not complex at all...play the Repopulation (im playing that too) and you'll find out what complex means.
I think most of the hate will come from those that thought this would be just like UO...although Garriot said it wouldn't :P
Instancing might throw off others, but the instancing isn't that bad.
Overall game is really good and refreshing
Agreed, to me if feels similar to a NWN player world, more so than a typical MMO.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I think most of the hate will come from those that thought this would be just like UO...although Garriot said it wouldn't :P
Richard Garriott called this game a spiritual successor to UO. Add to that no information at all about PvP, combat/deathsystem during kickstarter and you get alot of disapointed pledgers. It was a good trick for raising money though.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
I think most of the hate will come from those that thought this would be just like UO...although Garriot said it wouldn't :P
Richard Garriott called this game a spiritual successor to UO. Add to that no information at all about PvP, combat/deathsystem during kickstarter and you get alot of disapointed pledgers. It was a good trick for raising money though.
Garriott never said that.
Before you trust this person's opinion about this game, please look his post history. He's so bitter precisely because this game isn't UO2 with FFA PvP + full loot and he won't be able to go back and grief defenseless newbies.
Listed above are 2 articles that mention it as the spiritual successor to UO. 1st article is 2 yrs ago, 2nd is early 2015. He used UO to help fund SotA.
I think most of the hate will come from those that thought this would be just like UO...although Garriot said it wouldn't :P
Richard Garriott called this game a spiritual successor to UO. Add to that no information at all about PvP, combat/deathsystem during kickstarter and you get alot of disapointed pledgers. It was a good trick for raising money though.
Garriott never said that.
Before you trust this person's opinion about this game, please look his post history. He's so bitter precisely because this game isn't UO2 with FFA PvP + full loot and he won't be able to go back and grief defenseless newbies.
As you can see i am simply telling the truth, i am not trying to mislead readers of this thread as you're doing. Not my fault you have little experience of this game and it's history.
The fact Richard Garriott called this game a spiritual successor to UO was a advertisment trick to lure old UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for something it never was ment to be. He took their money and laughed all the way to the bank.
That was also the reason why PvP, death and combat systems never was described during kickstarter campaign, if it would then the UO hardcore PvP players would have kept their money, no way they would have pledged for a game that have a combat system based on luck and randomness. Add no risk vs reward ( ransom is the "loot" ) to that and even you must understand why they didnt inform pledgers on PvP and combat/death system.
Edit: I am a PvP player not a griefer, but i doubt you know the difference.
I'm just glad someone finally decided to make a PVE game like this. Any other game of this ilk is always FFA PVP...it's nice to finally have a game I want to play. As for the hardcore PVP dudes that feel bamboozled...sorry
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
He describes is as spiritual successor of ULTIMA. And NOT ulima ONLINE.
HUGE difference.
SotA has NEVER been what the usual suspect I was answering to wants it to be, a gankfest like UO before Trammel. Garriott himself said PvP was going to be consensual, not forced.
Yeah, SotA is the spiritual successor to all the Ultima RPG games. And it definitely deserves that title. But Garriott NEVER EVER said is was the successor of Ultima Online. The pseudo-journalists in your links only extrapolate what Garriott said, but you're going to have a hard time finding a quote were Richard says this game is going to be a pre-trammel UO gankfest clone. Since day one, he said he wanted it to be the next Ultima game, not the next UO.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
He describes is as spiritual successor of ULTIMA. And NOT ulima ONLINE.
HUGE difference.
SotA has NEVER been what the usual suspect I was answering to wants it to be, a gankfest like UO before Trammel. Garriott himself said PvP was going to be consensual, not forced.
Yeah, SotA is the spiritual successor to all the Ultima RPG games. And it definitely deserves that title. But Garriott NEVER EVER said is was the successor of Ultima Online. The pseudo-journalists in your links only extrapolate what Garriott said, but you're going to have a hard time finding a quote were Richard says this game is going to be a pre-trammel UO gankfest clone. Since day one, he said he wanted it to be the next Ultima game, not the next UO.
Wrong and wrong.
He describes this game as a spiritual successor to UO.
How can you avoid understanding this when we deliver you his own words saying exactly that?
Just amazing.
Not mentioning anything about PvP or death/combat systems during kickstarter was a smart move since not mentioning this secured alot of old UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for a game they saw as the next UO game.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
He describes is as spiritual successor of ULTIMA. And NOT ulima ONLINE.
HUGE difference.
SotA has NEVER been what the usual suspect I was answering to wants it to be, a gankfest like UO before Trammel. Garriott himself said PvP was going to be consensual, not forced.
Yeah, SotA is the spiritual successor to all the Ultima RPG games. And it definitely deserves that title. But Garriott NEVER EVER said is was the successor of Ultima Online. The pseudo-journalists in your links only extrapolate what Garriott said, but you're going to have a hard time finding a quote were Richard says this game is going to be a pre-trammel UO gankfest clone. Since day one, he said he wanted it to be the next Ultima game, not the next UO.
Wrong and wrong.
He describes this game as a spiritual successor to UO.
give me the precise quote where he says that.
How can you avoid understanding this when we deliver you his own words saying exactly that?
Just amazing.
Not mentioning anything about PvP or death/combat systems during kickstarter was a smart move since not mentioning this secured alot of old UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for a game they saw as the next UO game.
He definitely said since days one that PvP would be consensual. The fact that you choose to ignore it to fullfil your own dreams doesn't make it less real. SotA was NEVER meant to be a FFA PvP game.
Positive that the captain is right on this one Aragon100.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
He describes is as spiritual successor of ULTIMA. And NOT ulima ONLINE.
HUGE difference.
SotA has NEVER been what the usual suspect I was answering to wants it to be, a gankfest like UO before Trammel. Garriott himself said PvP was going to be consensual, not forced.
Yeah, SotA is the spiritual successor to all the Ultima RPG games. And it definitely deserves that title. But Garriott NEVER EVER said is was the successor of Ultima Online. The pseudo-journalists in your links only extrapolate what Garriott said, but you're going to have a hard time finding a quote were Richard says this game is going to be a pre-trammel UO gankfest clone. Since day one, he said he wanted it to be the next Ultima game, not the next UO.
Wrong and wrong.
He describes this game as a spiritual successor to UO.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
He describes is as spiritual successor of ULTIMA. And NOT ulima ONLINE.
HUGE difference.
SotA has NEVER been what the usual suspect I was answering to wants it to be, a gankfest like UO before Trammel. Garriott himself said PvP was going to be consensual, not forced.
Yeah, SotA is the spiritual successor to all the Ultima RPG games. And it definitely deserves that title. But Garriott NEVER EVER said is was the successor of Ultima Online. The pseudo-journalists in your links only extrapolate what Garriott said, but you're going to have a hard time finding a quote were Richard says this game is going to be a pre-trammel UO gankfest clone. Since day one, he said he wanted it to be the next Ultima game, not the next UO.
Wrong and wrong.
He describes this game as a spiritual successor to UO.
give me the precise quote where he says that.
How can you avoid understanding this when we deliver you his own words saying exactly that?
Just amazing.
Not mentioning anything about PvP or death/combat systems during kickstarter was a smart move since not mentioning this secured alot of old UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for a game they saw as the next UO game.
He definitely said since days one that PvP would be consensual. The fact that you choose to ignore it to fullfil your own dreams doesn't make it less real. SotA was NEVER meant to be a FFA PvP game.
Positive that the captain is right on this one Aragon100.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
You had both the same Richard Garriott quotes too read where he call this game a "spiritual successor of Ultima Online" and still you both pretend it isn't there in front of your eyes. That is what happens when fanbois stubbornly refuse to see the truth of a game and it's developers.
Developers of this game used UO to boost the pledges during kickstarter campaign and loads of UO hardcore PvP players pledged for the next coming UO PvP game. Not one word was mentioned about PvP, combat- and deathsystems during kickstarter. That came as a surprice later on.
If UO hardcore PvP players had gotten info on PvP and it's systems during kickstarter they would never have pledged for this game. Not mentioning anything about PvP and calling the game a "spiritual successor to UO" during kickstarter campaign was a way to trick UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for something it never was ment to be.
Originally posted by Dreamo84 Does anyone really think there were ever that many hardcore UO PVP players to begin with?
Most people were just prey...
Did you even partake in UO PvP up until it was destroyed february 2003 with the Age of Shadows expansion pack?
There were loads of UO hardcore PvP players that left the game after AoS and many of them have been awaiting the next UO game. Calling this game a spiritual successor to UO raised there hopes for a PvP game similar to UO:Renaissance (was consensual PvP).
If developers had explained that this game have nothing with UO PvP to do then many of them could have saved some money. Instead developers called it a spiritual successor to UO without mentioning PvP, combat or death systems during moneyraising kickstarter campaign. That is unethical behavior.
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
You had both the same Richard Garriott quotes too read where he call this game a "spiritual successor of Ultima Online" and still you both pretend it isn't there in front of your eyes. That is what happens when fanbois stubbornly refuse to see the truth of a game and it's developers.
Developers of this game used UO to boost the pledges during kickstarter campaign and loads of UO hardcore PvP players pledged for the next coming UO PvP game. Not one word was mentioned about PvP, combat- and deathsystems during kickstarter. That came as a surprice later on.
If UO hardcore PvP players had gotten info on PvP and it's systems during kickstarter they would never have pledged for this game. Not mentioning anything about PvP and calling the game a "spiritual successor to UO" during kickstarter campaign was a way to trick UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for something it never was ment to be.
Woah I am NOT a fanboy of this game first of all. I still play UO today don't get me wrong. I WANTED a newer UO so bad. Yet, I was NOT deceieved or tricked by devs into believing this was UO 2. I kickstarted it and did not feel any information was misrepresented. I just thought it wouldn't be so instanced and zoned though I hate that shit. I hate this game don't ever call me a fanboy. I stand corrected though what a douchebag Garriot has become...that's just wrong
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
You had both the same Richard Garriott quotes too read where he call this game a "spiritual successor of Ultima Online" and still you both pretend it isn't there in front of your eyes. That is what happens when fanbois stubbornly refuse to see the truth of a game and it's developers.
Developers of this game used UO to boost the pledges during kickstarter campaign and loads of UO hardcore PvP players pledged for the next coming UO PvP game. Not one word was mentioned about PvP, combat- and deathsystems during kickstarter. That came as a surprice later on.
If UO hardcore PvP players had gotten info on PvP and it's systems during kickstarter they would never have pledged for this game. Not mentioning anything about PvP and calling the game a "spiritual successor to UO" during kickstarter campaign was a way to trick UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for something it never was ment to be.
I kickstarted it and did not feel any information was misrepresented.
It was the lack of information on PvP, death and combat system during kickstarter that was what tricked UO hardcore PvP players to pledge. That and same time call it a spiritual successor to UO.
The UO Richard Garriott had a part in was the hardcore PvP version of the game. If he call it a spiritual successor to UO then he must mean the UO he had a part in.
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Im REALLY enjoying my time in Shroud of the Avatar. Maybe there were some updates after the original post, but the combat (to me) is great. It's old school with a few new tricks. The game is definitely not catered towards PVP crowds, but you can PVP. It's more a PVE game with old school concepts than anything else. The housing is everywhere....very plentiful
Crafting is not complex at all...play the Repopulation (im playing that too) and you'll find out what complex means.
I think most of the hate will come from those that thought this would be just like UO...although Garriot said it wouldn't :P
Instancing might throw off others, but the instancing isn't that bad.
Overall game is really good and refreshing
Agreed, to me if feels similar to a NWN player world, more so than a typical MMO.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Richard Garriott called this game a spiritual successor to UO. Add to that no information at all about PvP, combat/deathsystem during kickstarter and you get alot of disapointed pledgers. It was a good trick for raising money though.
http://www.gamezone.com/news/is-shroud-of-the-avatar-the-spiritual-successor-to-ultima
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
http://2p.com/24747811_1/PAX-South-2015-Exclusive-Interview-With-Creator-Of-Shroud-Of-The-Avatar-by-DVS_eddie.htm
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
Listed above are 2 articles that mention it as the spiritual successor to UO. 1st article is 2 yrs ago, 2nd is early 2015. He used UO to help fund SotA.
http://i.imgur.com/e5BgsFm.png
As you can see i am simply telling the truth, i am not trying to mislead readers of this thread as you're doing. Not my fault you have little experience of this game and it's history.
The fact Richard Garriott called this game a spiritual successor to UO was a advertisment trick to lure old UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for something it never was ment to be. He took their money and laughed all the way to the bank.
That was also the reason why PvP, death and combat systems never was described during kickstarter campaign, if it would then the UO hardcore PvP players would have kept their money, no way they would have pledged for a game that have a combat system based on luck and randomness. Add no risk vs reward ( ransom is the "loot" ) to that and even you must understand why they didnt inform pledgers on PvP and combat/death system.
Edit: I am a PvP player not a griefer, but i doubt you know the difference.
Just post elsewhere. You obviously are clueless..
Wrong and wrong.
He describes this game as a spiritual successor to UO.
How can you avoid understanding this when we deliver you his own words saying exactly that?
Just amazing.
Not mentioning anything about PvP or death/combat systems during kickstarter was a smart move since not mentioning this secured alot of old UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for a game they saw as the next UO game.
Positive that the captain is right on this one Aragon100.
https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-is-ment-by-spiritual-successor.8214/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nh7SzzD0qrg
2:30 mark
You already got them. Now you need to read them.
Originally posted by GungaDin
http://www.gamezone.com/news/is-shroud-of-the-avatar-the-spiritual-successor-to-ultima
"I've often said that I do hope people see it as a spiritual successor," Garriott told me after I flat out asked him if it can be considered a sequel to UO.
http://2p.com/24747811_1/PAX-South-2015-Exclusive-Interview-With-Creator-Of-Shroud-Of-The-Avatar-by-DVS_eddie.htm
He describes the game as the “spiritual successor to Ultima and Ultima Online”, which is extremely good news for fans of these classic games that really got the online gaming ball rolling years ago.
And another one -
http://i.imgur.com/e5BgsFm.png
You had both the same Richard Garriott quotes too read where he call this game a "spiritual successor of Ultima Online" and still you both pretend it isn't there in front of your eyes. That is what happens when fanbois stubbornly refuse to see the truth of a game and it's developers.
Developers of this game used UO to boost the pledges during kickstarter campaign and loads of UO hardcore PvP players pledged for the next coming UO PvP game. Not one word was mentioned about PvP, combat- and deathsystems during kickstarter. That came as a surprice later on.
If UO hardcore PvP players had gotten info on PvP and it's systems during kickstarter they would never have pledged for this game. Not mentioning anything about PvP and calling the game a "spiritual successor to UO" during kickstarter campaign was a way to trick UO hardcore PvP players to pledge for something it never was ment to be.
Developers called it a spiritual successor to UO.
During kickstarter developers never mentioned PvP, combat or death systems.
If UO hardcore PvP players had gotten info during kickstarter that the game would be just another carebear game they would have kept their money.
They were tricked by developers.
Most people were just prey...
Did you even partake in UO PvP up until it was destroyed february 2003 with the Age of Shadows expansion pack?
There were loads of UO hardcore PvP players that left the game after AoS and many of them have been awaiting the next UO game. Calling this game a spiritual successor to UO raised there hopes for a PvP game similar to UO:Renaissance (was consensual PvP).
If developers had explained that this game have nothing with UO PvP to do then many of them could have saved some money. Instead developers called it a spiritual successor to UO without mentioning PvP, combat or death systems during moneyraising kickstarter campaign. That is unethical behavior.
Woah I am NOT a fanboy of this game first of all. I still play UO today don't get me wrong. I WANTED a newer UO so bad. Yet, I was NOT deceieved or tricked by devs into believing this was UO 2. I kickstarted it and did not feel any information was misrepresented. I just thought it wouldn't be so instanced and zoned though I hate that shit. I hate this game don't ever call me a fanboy. I stand corrected though what a douchebag Garriot has become...that's just wrong
It was the lack of information on PvP, death and combat system during kickstarter that was what tricked UO hardcore PvP players to pledge. That and same time call it a spiritual successor to UO.
The UO Richard Garriott had a part in was the hardcore PvP version of the game. If he call it a spiritual successor to UO then he must mean the UO he had a part in.