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Gender lock still on or dropped ?

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  • g0m0rrahg0m0rrah Member UncommonPosts: 325

     

     I enjoy when developers create a game that follows some theme.  I dont mind having dwarves that cant be mages due to some thematic reason.  I dont mind when a class has limited weapon choices due to a theme.  I can also abide by gender restrictions on some classes.  It makes sense that a succubus and banshee are female gender only.  What I hate is when every class has a gender lock without a strong thematic reason.

     Now in my opinion gender locking is a minor issue when compared to equipment locking.  Nothing bothers me more than when each class can only use one specific type of weapon.  I simply cant get into games like Tera because character building options feel so limited.  When I create a character I might want to wield a sword, sword dagger combo, mace, mace axe combo, a maul, basically I like to create characters and not have the majority of important decisions made for me.  MMORPG's today are going backwards as far as character customization goes.  Yea is nice having sliders to make your character look unique but when every class has one item set for each of them, you end up looking like everyone else in your class anyway.  Then you realize that all your statistics come from that item set, because of course the developers dont want you to have a choice in what statistics you prefer.  All this in my opinion is to easy the job of the developer when balancing the mmo.  The less choices available the less balancing needed, but for me, it just kills the fun and the point of a rpg.

      The point of a role playing game, in my opinion, is to create a character(s) in such a way that I enjoy playing it.  If I want a mage with high strength wielding a two handed sword, so be it.  Maybe this mage isnt the best mage in existence but if its what I want to play, allow me to. 

  • RawasaRawasa Member UncommonPosts: 37
    If game developers listened  to every whiner there is, then we would have copies upon copies of games meaning there would be no uniqueness in any game (wait....aren't we there already?) keep to your ideas PA don't listen to these whiners, they have it in every other game so they want it in yours. Goddamn  SpoonFed noobs.
  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    Gender-lock or not, I'm pretty sure you won't be looking at many clones in this game. The character creation tool at least is the most impressive one I've ever seen.

    Point I was trying to make is that I don't really see why they'd take the trouble of renaming each and every class (+ possibly all their abilities) to mirror them for each gender.

    Surely making a simple choice option per gender would be easier?

    Originally posted by Albatroes

     

     Middle-aged lore where sexism was heavy.

    This game isn't following middle-aged lore at all. You could perhaps say that they've integrated some old European architecture into their design (but even there what I see is often 17-19th century).

    Females and males alike are running around in totally unrealistic outfits like ripped tights and mini-skirts. Hardly medieval at all.

    Besides, if you're not making a game that specifically wants to feature female oppression as a theme in the story, you have zero excuse to do so.

    Not that I believe Black Desert will stumble on that.

     

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  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Originally posted by Wolfhammer

    I'd be more concerned about the auto pathing system rather than lore based gender lock.

    Lets say there was a "Shield Maiden" class...  In viking society they were female warriors so how do you expect to play a male version??

    There is zero wrong with gender lock for certain classes.  People shouting "deal breaker!!" are being stupid !

    The name isn't the only thing changing though.  The skills, weapons,etc.. will also be changing.  It's not going to be a mirrored class like many people think.  This is why it will still be gender locked.

  • WhitetragedyWhitetragedy Member Posts: 10

    Gender lock? Great, now I can look at dat ass while I grind and when someone looks over my shoulder and asks me why I'm playing a female character, I'll be like "Can't help it, genderlocked, it's definintely not because of dat ass"

  • ValentinelessValentineless Member Posts: 51
    Originally posted by Whitetragedy

    Gender lock? Great, now I can look at dat ass while I grind and when someone looks over my shoulder and asks me why I'm playing a female character, I'll be like "Can't help it, genderlocked, it's definintely not because of dat ass"

    Gender Lock should not be an issue or a game changing mechanic in which pushes players away from the game. the fact you choose female as a male player is definetly all personal preferences.

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  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    I think gender lock is good. It always bothered me that a 100 pound girl swings an axe just as hard as a 250 pound male beast of muscles.

    Downside is that most casters and archers will be female only but I can live with that. Such am immersion killer to go toe to toe with a little girl like in games such as TERA.

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    Originally posted by Whitetragedy

    Gender lock? Great, now I can look at dat ass while I grind and when someone looks over my shoulder and asks me why I'm playing a female character, I'll be like "Can't help it, genderlocked, it's definintely not because of dat ass"

    If looking at an animated, pixeled ass is something you feel you need to do, then you have some issues. I mean, get a girlfriend or somethin.

  • patlefortpatlefort Member UncommonPosts: 142
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Whitetragedy

    Gender lock? Great, now I can look at dat ass while I grind and when someone looks over my shoulder and asks me why I'm playing a female character, I'll be like "Can't help it, genderlocked, it's definintely not because of dat ass"

    If looking at an animated, pixeled ass is something you feel you need to do, then you have some issues. I mean, get a girlfriend or somethin.

    He didn't imply he needed to. It's just more fun to some people and some people are just too far in their puritan ways to understand.

  • melvis1500melvis1500 Member UncommonPosts: 16

    I'm a fan of gender lock. I don't think gnomes should be allowed to be tanks or fighters, I don't think giants should be allowed to be stealthy classes like rogues or thieves, and I don't think male characters should be allowed to be valkyries. Because it's by definition only for women. When you don't have gender or race lock, and you let these stupid combinations happen without any negative impact on gameplay, it ruins immersion.

    A giant half-orc should never be physically weaker than a halfling, that's stupid. I don't care how much people want it. You have to be true to the lore of the game.

     

    So I see no problems with this.

  • rpg-maniacrpg-maniac Member UncommonPosts: 26
    Gender-locked kill the game for me I always play female long-range AOE DPS spell caster type of chars that's Wizard on this game which is only male so that means I can't play the type of char in the gender I prefer like I did till now in every other MMORPG in existence because devs is lazy & don't want to spent some time to create animations & armors for both genders, they will regret that when the time come to release this game in the west mark my words the backlash would be huge w8 & see.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by melvis1500
    I'm a fan of gender lock. I don't think gnomes should be allowed to be tanks or fighters, I don't think giants should be allowed to be stealthy classes like rogues or thieves, and I don't think male characters should be allowed to be valkyries. Because it's by definition only for women. When you don't have gender or race lock, and you let these stupid combinations happen without any negative impact on gameplay, it ruins immersion.A giant half-orc should never be physically weaker than a halfling, that's stupid. I don't care how much people want it. You have to be true to the lore of the game. So I see no problems with this.

    I think "gender lock" does not mean what you think it does.

    Your only valid point is the Valkyrie since that is truly gender related, anything else is race - class examples.

  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    Originally posted by Rhoklaw
    I guess this isn't a game meant for people with homophobia. I can't think of one reason other than a fear of playing a certain sex for anyone to complain about this.

    Huh?  What does this have to do with homophobia?  Some people just want the freedom to choose their gender.  That's the real issue.  If anything, gender-lock is sexist, by restricting males and females into specific roles.  It might be historically accurate of gender roles in a medieval society, but this game will be in a fantasy world so it's kind of silly to restrict genders.

  • fineflufffinefluff Member RarePosts: 452

    I don't mind it too much. I think gender locking is good if it helps support the lore and allows the developer to focus on the rest of the game. Making models and animations for both genders takes time and resources.

    But I also think having both genders for an mmorpg can be good because it is a social game and it gives you more options for how you represent yourself. I like their approach by making separate types of the same class for male and female, if that is true. It is unique and interesting.

  • LobotomistLobotomist Member EpicPosts: 5,935

    I dont get how they can on one side advertize the best character customization , but on other side lock all archers to be blond female elf ?!

    Makes me think that customization is hogwash. Something you see in character creation, and after you are only one who sees your character like that. All other see the default model. Like in few other asian MMOs

     



  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Even the setting of the game, as long as they are making male/female versions of each class, it kinda makes sense. Could have males that only taught males and females that wanted to teach similar styles to females only. If it was just solely males can only be archers and females only mages etc then yeah I'd care about but I'm willing to see how it plays out.
  • zzaxzzax Member UncommonPosts: 324

    I'm big fan of gender and race locked classes. It makes them feel deeper and richer lorewise.

    Also its good pvp balancing mechanism for games with hitboxes. Hope it stays!

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 30,960
    Originally posted by alyosha17
    Originally posted by KamikazeKite
    Totally agree. also i'm not THAT exited about the class system and about the weapon choices, however i could live with that as long gender/race lock was not there.

    I think it's because they are a small company, they don't really have the resources to expand the class options to all races, and to all genders.

    So you are saying it's easier to create and balance an entirely new class as opposed to just letting the opposite sex have the same abilities?

    My guess is that:

    A, they like the idea of diversity in their lore and and are strongly attracted to what they perceive as celebrated differences between sexes; and ...

    B, they don't have problems/issues with it. As it is an Eastern game I suspect they are developing it for their main audience first who also might not have issues with it. Especially because Gender locked races/classes have appeared at other times in the past in other Eastern Games.

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  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 3,609

    The race locking is because of the animation.


    A male and female archer would not animate exactly the same and the animations in Black Desert are high quality.

    High quality animation in video games takes a long time to produce and is quite expensive.

    But, its not like anyone here really cares about that. Do gamers actually care about the time and cost it takes to make a video game? Of course not!


    So, lets all just complain endlessly on message boards and call them "lazy developers"

  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 308
    Originally posted by ikcin

    So about nonsense with clone wars. 

    Character editor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqdZNhyptZ4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTZZDddzvQk

    Old and young - 2.05

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6upi0OLU3mg

    And classes, gear, dyes.

    Ranger

    Warrior

    Sorceress

    Giant

    Different armors, there is more in fact.

    All this shows is different variation to a pretty much "premade" character.

    Why are you so irrelevant? >:)

  • psyco59psyco59 Member UncommonPosts: 2
    I really like gender/race locking classes, it encourages diversity
  • LisaFlexy22LisaFlexy22 Member UncommonPosts: 450
    If they make the same class in essence for both male and female characters and just call it different things who cares?  Well obviously a lot of people so then maybe the real question is why care?  It's like people look to find problems and things to be upset about so much of the time and make mountains out of mole hills.
  • v_Vev_Ve Member UncommonPosts: 308
    Originally posted by LisaFlexy22
    If they make the same class in essence for both male and female characters and just call it different things who cares?  Well obviously a lot of people so then maybe the real question is why care?  It's like people look to find problems and things to be upset about so much of the time and make mountains out of mole hills.

    Bu they aren't, that's the issue.

    Each class plays differently. -_-

    O, the only thing that fits what you described is the archer and ranger. Besides those two, everything else is locked if you don't like that race or gender.

    Why are you so irrelevant? >:)

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