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There's no conspiracy, big company's love money, not community
sludgebeard
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People who are starting the SOE conspiracy theories over the H1Z1 controversy need to get a grip. It's no conspiracy, these companies love money, and SOE has ALWAYS been like this. It's not "Smedley is trying to steal your money", it's that you are outright giving it to him for a game that's literally almost identical to Day Z, infestation, Rust, or any of the countless other unfinished zombie survival games.
its not a novel idea, so why do you think their monetization options would be anything more than a cash grab. These companies want money, SOE has been a dying corp since the days of SWG, they have never gotten it right since original EQ because they have since then always been guided by greed and market shares and finance reports. And that's not a conspiracy that's he truthsz
If you want a good community go elsewhere.
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Unless you want to play a MMO with 1000 players, advertising does benefit you at least a little. Would it be ideal if everyone knew about a new game and all that ad money could go into development instead? Absolutely, I'd love that. But that's not reality. The reality is you need to spend a lot on player acquisition or you won't have players, except for the 1 in a million indie games that catches fire in just the right way.
(15 year industry vet)
"What is truly revealing is his implication that believing something to be true is the same as it being true. [continue]" -John Oliver
These guys have the worst job ever.
For a genre that's so costly to make....
........ and a consumer base that wants it all for free.
Also imagine if that really sweet online game you have been waiting for only accepted 10K players... That is it... Only way in after that is someone deactivating their key.
That is what "strictly managing their costs do" because you see no only does things get exponentially more expensive as you get more players... But it also put some rather arbitrary press on the engine running the game... That is why most releases seem so broken... No system will ever be able to handle 10.. if not 100,000 player going at it at once.. you can not build that away.
But getting back to my point... Or how about a SP game that once released never see any patches or updates as the company rather "manage their costs" and move on to the next meal ticket...? Like it used to be... back in the old days.
The new digital landscape of high speed internet, gaming communities and social media have made people spoiled... Some even spoiled rotten. Back in the days you had to call a hot-line if you had problems... it charged you enough to make you wonder if they were funding their own private army... Talking to the devs... Sure thing bud... If you where part of the right BBS or later private IRC chat... beyond that... No *bleeep*ing way.
I think rose-tinted glasses tend to get in ther way when people talk of "the good old days"... They generally never was that good.
This have been a good conversation
Why all these stupid threads lately? Do they not teach econ or business in schools anymore? I know the communists teacher unions are singing the praises of socialism and class warfare, but this is getting ridiculous that the intelligence of gamers has in the opinion of these thread creators fallen so low that we must educate the community.
Please stop listening to the posts of the whiny tweens. The rest of us get it. Really we do.
It's not that anyone other then the naive think that the companies should give away their product -- the only real debate I come across is how they should charge for it. Not whether a profit is their goal.
it is a combination of the 80´s attitude of "everyone is a special snowflake" and the 90´s attitude of "no letting anyone tell me what i can or can not do" combined with people from the western sphere having grown up in the safest era in history... relatively speaking... This leaves a entire generation trying to live up to the legacy of their parents but with no real enemy beyond "the man"... No real goal but fighting strawmen with wooden swords.
So in all honesty what can we do...
This have been a good conversation
The real reasons some of us are against certain aspects of our current society is not going to openly discussed on a forum like this because frankly it's too dangerous to do so. For me and from my point of view the majority of the problems I see with and in the MMO genre aren't confined to the MMO; rather they are problems that are systemic throughout modern human society and the problems we argue over in the MMO genre is just the natural "it flows downhill" result.
So pat yourselves on your backs and hail capitalism all you want, but just know that those of us with the most powerful arguments against capitalism are not allowed to state our views here because our views are forbidden to be posted due to the forums board rules.
So you win. For now. Congrats.
I also don't think all MMO Corps are evil. Some MMO Corps do as much as real life allows in the effort to provide a quality gaming experience, and for that I am grateful and I tip my hat to them. I thank and applaud those individuals that are trying to do the right thing and trying to treat customers in MMOs with respect.
80's attitude of "everyone is a special snowflake" ... lol
First time I ever heard that attributed to someone born in the 80's...
really? ... who are preventing you to post your views here as long as you stick to the forum rules.
My views are not exactly popular here .. but i do not see a problem of censoring.
Which do you all think are the primary/most important drivers ( for EA, Activision, SOE, etc..) in order of importance in relation to AAA MMO's?
I see this unfounded myth of games costing 100 million is still spooking around in some heads. Do you believe everything they tell you in marketing campaigns?
What does this have to do with marketing at all? Here's a list of game budgets and the rising cost of gaming.
Remember that Allods Online was done for $10 million years ago and that was thought to be on the cheap. You might be able to cookie-cutter some MMORPG by outsourcing a Korean dev shop with all the assets already in place, but I really doubt that you'd ever be able to crank something out for less than 5 or 10 million.
Crazkanuk
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Oh! Don't forget that Copernicus (The 38 Studios MMO) which apparently cost upwards of $100 million to make, can't even be liquidated. If there was ever a AAA MMO that you could probably do for $10 million or less, that'd be it! 90% done and they can't even sell it at auction. If that doesn't say something, I don't know what does.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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"There's no conspiracy, big company's love money, not community"
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