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No flying experiment has failed in WoD

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  • ArthasmArthasm Member UncommonPosts: 782
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Kuinn
    Originally posted by Hoplites

    unlike other MMO's that age with time, this is the first that has made playing content at level cap more painful and reduced replay value.

    What a shame.

    .

     

    67,34% of players answered that they are enjoying the no-fly of WoD in mmochampion poll.

    (Total Votes: 220,270k)

    People on mmochampion or here don't represent the majority of players at all.

    Most people I know playing WoW don't ever read those sites, and even less participate in polls there, when they use the web, it's wowhead and icyveins for class info.

    And you could vote numerous times, just by refreshing page, votes would count.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by Arthasm
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by Kuinn
    Originally posted by Hoplites

    unlike other MMO's that age with time, this is the first that has made playing content at level cap more painful and reduced replay value.

    What a shame.

    .

     

    67,34% of players answered that they are enjoying the no-fly of WoD in mmochampion poll.

    (Total Votes: 220,270k)

    People on mmochampion or here don't represent the majority of players at all.

    Most people I know playing WoW don't ever read those sites, and even less participate in polls there, when they use the web, it's wowhead and icyveins for class info.

    And you could vote numerous times, just by refreshing page, votes would count.

    so it might have just been 5 people image

    The trouble with polls, as fun as they might be, is that from such a low sample rate, and from a 'restricted' source too, any result is virtually meaningless. image

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    I would imagine most users of mmochampion are wow players since that's it's primary focus, this site is a different kettle of fish.

    You overestimate the number of people who use those forums and vote on those polls though. Most people stick to their guild forum, visit the sites that help them play by giving them immediate information (wowheard, icy veins, etc...), and don't give a shit about polls asking them how they play the game.

    Put a poll directly in the game launcher, and you'll have more reliable results.

    Blizzard already refused to listen to the majority in the past, and they paid the price. They will do the same here... give in as soon as the subcription numbers drop.

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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 2,994

    Flying mounts killed Wow. 99% of players can avoid 99% of content and interaction with other players.

     

    The great effect created largely by Wow was the ever increasing laziness of players. They now demand every convenience they have come accustomed to in Wow in every mmo they play and not satisfied until they can nigh teleport to any destination within 14 feet of auction houses and banks. I've heard players bitching about having to travel from one side of a city to another to reach an npc.

     

     GREAT DESIGN BLIZZARD! Love how you destroyed the mmo landscape. Took you a decade to figure out you screwed up.

    You stay sassy!

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Originally posted by Tamanous
    I've heard players bitching about having to travel from one side of a city to another to reach an npc.

    Because players needing 10s less travel time to reach an NPC will affect you negatively. How DARE those people enjoy more PLAYING the game than watching an automated mount carrying them.

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  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    Wahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is all that's needed.
  • NobleNerdNobleNerd Member UncommonPosts: 759
    Originally posted by tawess

    As a druid it is kind of lethal though... You see after a while you get used to just doing stupid jumps off of things and go in to flight form on the way down... It dossa not worksa good now.

     

    Druid pancake with extra failsauce... =P

     

    Beyond that i have no issue with it.

    Cat form has fall damage reduction... just can't cliff dive soo high is all.


  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463

    Flying added to WoW revolutionized the game and the industry to try to expand the MMO world in three dimensions.  What separates games from 2004 before and after is the addition of improved travel systems that, WoW, Eve Online, City of Heroes, Rift, and Guild Wars have brought.

    As much as I like UO and Everquest, I don't want to the genre go back to that.  That era is long past which is why no flying experiment in WoW has failed.

    Without flying mounts, WoW has the worst travel system in the industry.  Guild Wars, Rift, Eve Online, etc all are superior and even now Everquest II. 

    Final Fantasy does it better.

    Can't close Pandora's box once it is opened.

  • Well, flying in WoW has its good parts. That you can skip the ugly outdated landskapes must be one of the best things with flying.
  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Hoplites

    Flying added to WoW revolutionized the game and the industry to try to expand the MMO world in three dimensions.  What separates games from 2004 before and after is the addition of improved travel systems that, WoW, Eve Online, City of Heroes, Rift, and Guild Wars have brought in my opinion....

    As much as I like UO and Everquest, I don't want to the genre go back to that.  That era is long past which is why no flying experiment in WoW has failed in my opinion

    Without flying mounts, WoW has the worst travel system in the industry.  Guild Wars, Rift, Eve Online, etc all are superior and even now Everquest II in my opinion

    Final Fantasy does it better in my opinion.

    Can't close Pandora's box once it is opened, there is no Pandora's box, did you play MoP or any other expansions? This is nothing new....

    Well i fixed it for you...luckily everything you said was just your opinion and in no way is fact or how things actually are...nice bump though...not really...

  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Originally posted by tordurbar

    Very disappointed that there is no flying in WOD. Sorry, after leveling up my 4th alt I am tired or riding and walking all over the place.

    One of the reasons that WOW is one of my favorite games is flying. It is the closest to real flying you can get and I love the feeling of seeing things from above.

    The "flying breaks immersion" argument is laughable. You see griffons and bats carrying people everywhere - and we can't do it? Stupid.

    I think that eventually Blizzard will bring it back just due to greed. No flying mount = less money players spend real money on mounts.  I have not bought a mount since WOD started. Bring back flying and I might think about buying another one.

     

    Good post and well said.

    The sale of flying mounts in their store has helped them off set maassive sub losses of Cata and MoP. 

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by tordurbar

    Very disappointed that there is no flying in WOD. Sorry, after leveling up my 4th alt I am tired or riding and walking all over the place.

    One of the reasons that WOW is one of my favorite games is flying. It is the closest to real flying you can get and I love the feeling of seeing things from above.

    The "flying breaks immersion" argument is laughable. You see griffons and bats carrying people everywhere - and we can't do it? Stupid.

    I think that eventually Blizzard will bring it back just due to greed. No flying mount = less money players spend real money on mounts.  I have not bought a mount since WOD started. Bring back flying and I might think about buying another one.

     

    Good post and well said.

    The sale of flying mounts in their store has helped them off set maassive sub losses of Cata and MoP. 

    Ah good thing you forgot to mention they went back up above 10 MILLION with WoD...keep hating buddy lol

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,387

    I like having flight on all my characters for old content, just not WOD is fine, I am sure next expansion flight in WOD will be allowed

     

  • KaosLegionKaosLegion Member UncommonPosts: 73

    No flying is good when ground level is handled well, I hated MoP it felt brutally like a quest hop. WoD felt much different in the sense that everything is tight and I felt like I was in constant conflict, at times even to getting annoyed when I wanted to walk away. 

    Quite simply flying ruined world pvp, remember when you use to ride along a road and pass an alliance/horde just to both turn around and back away slowly to make sure the other wasn't going to kill you.

  • Jean-Luc_PicardJean-Luc_Picard Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Originally posted by PrinceDamien
    Well, flying in WoW has its good parts. That you can skip the ugly outdated landskapes must be one of the best things with flying.

    I think the comparison between this post's critic of WoW graphics and the link in the poster's signature is very funny.

    Maybe it's just me though. Just reminds me last game which failed but where people were praising the "better than WoW" graphics. And those screenshots on the site aren't any better than WoW.

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  • TeshrrarTeshrrar Member Posts: 26

    I never liked the fly concept of WoW, and only used it to do things which you couldn't do from the ground. I love see the world, I love the tension when you have to walk through a hostile/dangerous region. The sad part was that  I was basicly alone all the time, because the other players was flying.

    Strange how today the players have to be forced to do fun actions...

  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,350

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

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  • AsheramAsheram Member EpicPosts: 3,875
    Originally posted by nate222

    The hell. Ground-only transport is one of the big design decisions that help to harken back to the glory days of WoW. Actually having to plan your route and be invested in it makes things far more interesting.

    I hope they never allow flying.

    I really dont get this "If I dont like it nobody else should have it mentality". WTF is it to you how someone else plays their game, sounds more like a power trip to me. I mean was it really that hard for you to just walk before, you know like not summon your flying mount.

  • Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by PrinceDamien
    Well, flying in WoW has its good parts. That you can skip the ugly outdated landskapes must be one of the best things with flying.

    I think the comparison between this post's critic of WoW graphics and the link in the poster's signature is very funny.

    Maybe it's just me though. Just reminds me last game which failed but where people were praising the "better than WoW" graphics. And those screenshots on the site aren't any better than WoW.

    I personally like to explore the world in WoW and only use flying mount when I need to get somewhere ASAP, like when a group is waiting. Other then that I stroll around on the ground exploring. But then again, I only come back to WoW mostly when a new Xpack is released to check out the new stuff.

     

    I like the artstyle WoW has, but it could use a texture update (old content). With each expansion the graphic looks better but the old remains as it did. I know that updating something takes time, especially if it would be a whole gameworld. But if they could I would like the old places to get an update in graphic aswell.

     

    Oh btw, Merry Christmas Everone!

     

     

    Edit: Reading this over it sounds I only play games with good graphic. -hehe- That was not my point really, as I play games I find fun or interesting and doesn't have to be super gorgeous. My point is that I think Blizz could try to keep everything in the game somewhat similar in graphic quality. Vanilla zones are so different in textures then the new stuff. Why I would like an update to the old ones.

  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

    I concur.

    This model will not work and will fail because WoW isn't designed this way.  Well stated by the way.

  • ShadoedShadoed Member UncommonPosts: 1,459
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

    I concur.

    This model will not work and will fail because WoW isn't designed this way.  Well stated by the way.

    Well that is an odd statement, WoW was designed exactly that way, flying mounts were not introduced until much later down the line and Blizzard were not too sure about that back then. There are far more flight points around now than there used to be back in those days too and they tend to be exactly where you want them to be, you can queue for BG's, Dungeons and Raids, so no need for the long distance travel you used to have to make back then, so really travelling by ground is not that much of a hassle and this was the ideal time to re-introduce it.

    I have really enjoyed travelling this way again, having to check out your route, finding things that you would not otherwise see if flying, you feel much more part of the environment again.

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  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

    I concur.

    This model will not work and will fail because WoW isn't designed this way.  Well stated by the way.

    'It has become an industry standard to have good transportation options for players.  Without flight in WoW, it discourages player exploration and interaction as most players just sit in their garrisons now.'

    1 the issue is Garrisons, its another solo player mini game.

    2 it is not the industry standard, in fact most if not all other major AAA mmorpg's have not included flying in their game because they understand what it does to the game.

    3 Blizzard themselves have now decided flying mounts is damaging for at least some of the time.

    I am not a Blizzard fan by a long shot, but taking away flying mounts was a good move.

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  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

    Hey can you link your account?  I want to see all the raids you complete at mystic or hard or shoot even normal...if you find wow easy you aren't doing all the content.  If you find wow not social that's A YOU problem not the games.  Every time  I'm on IM on voice chat playing with my guildmates.  

  • HoplitesHoplites Member CommonPosts: 463
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

    I concur.

    This model will not work and will fail because WoW isn't designed this way.  Well stated by the way.

    'It has become an industry standard to have good transportation options for players.  Without flight in WoW, it discourages player exploration and interaction as most players just sit in their garrisons now.'

    1 the issue is Garrisons, its another solo player mini game.

    2 it is not the industry standard, in fact most if not all other major AAA mmorpg's have not included flying in their game because they understand what it does to the game.

    3 Blizzard themselves have now decided flying mounts is damaging for at least some of the time.

    I am not a Blizzard fan by a long shot, but taking away flying mounts was a good move.

    The AAA MMORPGs that don't have flying in their game have even better transportation methods (eg portals).  Flying mounts still allow a player to interact with the world instead of looking at loading screen.

    But a flight path is a long winded loading screen that takes up time regardless of the computer you have.  WoW has the worst travel system in the industry and even if flying mounts would be enabled it would still be mediocre.

    WoW has fallen behind with what is currently out there in 2014 and what will be out there in 2015.

  • Tasslehoff35Tasslehoff35 Member UncommonPosts: 962
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by Bladestrom
    Originally posted by Hoplites
    Originally posted by JDis25

    I want flying back, it made WoW unique.  People complain about too easy, and not sociable. Yet you are playing WoW, one of the easiest and most solo mmo's there is.

    I concur.

    This model will not work and will fail because WoW isn't designed this way.  Well stated by the way.

    'It has become an industry standard to have good transportation options for players.  Without flight in WoW, it discourages player exploration and interaction as most players just sit in their garrisons now.'

    1 the issue is Garrisons, its another solo player mini game.

    2 it is not the industry standard, in fact most if not all other major AAA mmorpg's have not included flying in their game because they understand what it does to the game.

    3 Blizzard themselves have now decided flying mounts is damaging for at least some of the time.

    I am not a Blizzard fan by a long shot, but taking away flying mounts was a good move.

    The AAA MMORPGs that don't have flying in their game have even better transportation methods (eg portals).  Flying mounts still allow a player to interact with the world instead of looking at loading screen.

    But a flight path is a long winded loading screen that takes up time regardless of the computer you have.  WoW has the worst travel system in the industry and even if flying mounts would be enabled it would still be mediocre.

    WoW has fallen behind with what is currently out there in 2014 and what will be out there in 2015.

     

    This thread failed a long time ago...but please enlighten us with what MMOs do travel better and why. I can't wait for your reply. Worst travel system lol too funny.

     

    Oh and BTW there are PORTALS all over in WoW. Some classes can even create a PORTAL and PORT you anywhere. Have you ever played WoW?  Just kinda weird you claim "others have better eg portals". But completely leave out the fact WoW has them also. 

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