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MMORPG like Guild Wars 2 but better
kabirgph
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Guild Wars 2 was probably my favourite game of all time. Everything was amazing. Gameplay, graphics, socialising, dungeons, PvP and omfg WvWvW was amazing!!!! That game was amazing but it fell down; losing popularity and updates it was soon dead. But I want a game exactly like that but better, a better development team and better sustainability. Nothing is on the market at the moment that can deliver this. Is there anything up worth noting?
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now: GW2 (11 80s).
Dark Souls 2.
future: Mount&Blade 2 BannerLord.
"Bro, do your even fractal?"
Recommends: Guild Wars 2, Dark Souls, Mount&Blade: Warband, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
belive me its not dead
updates are there very 2 weeks giving you something new to do, what other game can say the same?
You want best shot at sustainability, you choose FFXIV.
There's no other option. Unless you want to get screwed by the Blizzard scheme.
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This is what I'm doing. I've been playing half-assed mmorpgs for so long, I've not been playing great games I bought on Steam. Now enjoying Far Cry 3. Then will go do Far Cry 2. I've never played an Assassin's Creed game. I still have Dishonored, etc. So much awesome gaming, and a lot of it has multi-player...
What is it about TERA that can fill the GW2 void for the OP? Is it a thriving game? Open world pvp? Is it done well or is it a grief fest? I've been curious to try. Why do you like this game?
First, how can OP get screwed by the Blizzard scheme? Why FFXIV? It's another game I've thought about trying. But the combat is much different from that in GW2? What makes it sustainable? Is it not another endgame gear grinder just like WoW?
I've been mainly playing ESO, but I'm not sure if I can stick with it. It's absolutely true that ESO is committed to updating their game, but I'm not sure if I will like the direction till I see what happens with the Champion System once it's finally implemented. I'm also wondering if they will introduce a gear grind + raiding scheme with 12-man trials and dropped gear that most people would consider better than crafted. I'm not down on that type of system per se and I know it's fun for a lot of people. It's just not a direction I would enjoy. It would also be a departure from what GW2 was supposed to be.
And OP, why do you not like GW2 now? Just this evening, I was thinking about getting back into it, and I saw your post.
I have a feeling the OP is trolling... I don't think anyone would go on about loving the game that much and then try to say it's dead. They haven't even had a single layoff despite the rest of NCsoft getting hacked away.
And no updates?! Like someone else said, it gets updated every two weeks. They may not be the type of updates he likes but the way the OP is making this sound is as if ANet just abandoned the game and left it on auto-pilot which is not even close to the truth.
Depends what you like about GW2...
Personally I enjoyed the game quite a bit, but since Story and Dungeons are what bring me to a game, it got boring after less than a year. The living world is too quick to finish, and I'm a patient gamer I'm sad to say, so I can't be bothered to wait a month, play 2 hours, wait another month, etc.
If you want WvW, then ESO is probably the only other (new) title that caters to you.
If you want a game that is going to still be there and have tons of players a few years down the line, then WoW or FF XIV are probably your best bets.
Still, DA:I, ACU, Farcry 4....soooo many games coming out this time of the year, I doubt anyone could get bored!
He can pay a sub fee for a year with no new content to show for it. Then he should pay 30 bucks on top of the sub fee to get the new content from the expansion. Blizzard scheme at its best.
FFXIV is sustainable because, unlike modern WoW (or just about any game), Square-Enix pumps tons of content out on a consistent basis. They don't show any signs of slowing down either. Maybe it's not "better" than GW2 but the developers sure give it their all.
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Gw2, Tera, Rift, Swtor etc all give regular updates and big expansions for free. You can bash Blizzard but they have a vast number of players happy with the game so it's obvious they are doing something right. Rift put out more content than any mmo has ever put out and it didn't keep players happy enough to remain, FFXI puts out 3 times as many updates as FFXIV too. Updates aren't everything, especially when they are rehashes.
Also content updates are starting to be locked behing paywalls in XIV now, something I find highly annoying given I was looking forward to the wedding system. Nobody likes content ripped out of the game to sell in a cash shop and that is exactly what they did given they showed much of the content they are now wanting to sell before the cash shop was even added.
As for OP I would say go back to GW2, it's not dead or dying at all. It's still updated and profitable and all those updates are free. There really is no game like Gw2 other than Gw2.
I agree that GW2 is amazing on many levels, but surely it is not "dead". It still seems to be quite populated whenever I log on, although the forums are not as active as they used to be.
I am not sure if any mmo offers the same quality and depth as GW2, but there are a few that are also pretty good and have their own "flavour".
I would say:
ESO- because of the amazing graphics, atmosphere, questing, and extremely interesting faction pvp (hopefully they have fixed the lag by now!).
Tera - because the dungeons and BAMs are amazing, it has a couple of decent battlegrounds, and open world pvp. Also it looks beautiful and has great style.
And NWO because it plays almost like a single-player co-op rpg, the combat is basic compared to GW2 but extremely visceral, and you can make your own dungeons/adventures.
Saying FFXI is somehow better than FFXIV in its updating is like a figurative final nail in the argument coffin.
I guess when the frequency of something that can be barely called an update is the only metric to compare the games with, GW2 truly shines like a beacon of light, with FFXI not that far behind.
One minute you think patches make one mmo better than another and when I point out other mmo titles have far more patches you run away from it. FFXI gets 3 times as many patches as FFXIV does, Rift had more, bigger and more unique patches again and it still had serious player retention issues.
Regular patches don't make an mmo better, they just keep a certain % of easily bored players around if you already like it since most patches usually mean replacing one gear grind with a new one. If you don't like the mmo no amount of patches will keep you around, Rift was given more patches than any mmo has ever had and it still had high player losses.
As I said, if patch quality and regularity meant anything Rift would be the most popular mmo on the planet when it was still p2p. They tried that angle and it didn't work and now swapped to f2p and slowed down patches.
I openly point out the ridiculousness of your statements, not run away from them. Even if in some universe Rift had more and bigger patches once upon a time the fact you keep including FFXI in your comparison ruins anything you had going for in your argument. Anyone should be skeptical of your Rift comments when you include FFXI in the comparison.
Few parameter changes, areas with textures suspiciously resembling that of content from 10 years ago plus a reskin of a mob type is such value for money. "But there's three times as many updates, what does it matter if the production value is a fraction of that of FFXIV?"
Probably not what the OP is looking for.
Not actually I like GW2 a lot, but also bored of it, and WvW on many servers which many people dedicated to their server refuse to jump ship, will exp servers in WvW that are vastly under populated. and EoTM aka the Mega Server version of WvW is nothing but a PvDoor fight since players avoid enemy players and dont even use most sieges.
Also the developers dont add new content people want, like new skills and classes. that can run players away like the OP although they like the game.
I too want a GW2 replacement.
Wouldnt mind a GW2+Rift hybrid
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FFXIV has had 4 patches in 1 year and 3 months, none of them adding new zones and added 1 job so let's not get carried away at how much support it gets. Most of those patches are rehashes of current content (or rehashes of FFXI content) too, primals primals primals. Also as I said, most XIV players are currently angry about Square showing off content and then a few weeks before adding it they state "but this is cash shop only content! ^-^"
Any MMO player that has been around for a while knows Rift was the king of updates, nothing else was even close. It didn't make much difference to anything because it's the core game that matters more than having 3 patches a year instead of 2.
Nobody is going to swap from WoW to FFXIV because it gets an extra patch once a year, also keep in mind that Blizzard and Square work in different ways. Blizzard put all their work into their expansions, Square give you a bare bones expansion and fill it up over the next 2 years. You aren't actually getting any more or less.
Although I don't play it anymore Guild wars 2 is far from dead as other people have stated. It's actually teaming with people all the time and gets updated quite frequently.
It's a good fallback MMO and beats all the free to play crap out there if you can't afford subscription for a good one.
No new open world zones? How completely arbitrary and pointless. Let's ignore the dozen or so completely original and unique zones introduced in patches because they don't fit said arbitrary requirements.
"Most players" are angry at X? amber-r continues to be the self-promoted voice of the FFXIV playerbase.
"Anyone knows" Rift had the best updates? amber-r has further ascended to speak for all of the MMORPG communities.
Heavensward will be a bare bones expansion even when SE has said it will be the size of 2.0 out of the box? amber-r has seen the future and revealed the lies of the dev team for what they truly are.
All I can say is it has been a privilege to be able to speak with you on this fateful day. For Hyan, this was the best day of his life. For amber-r, it was Monday.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206501-Cash-shop-or-sub-but-not-both
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206586-I-shouldn-t-have-to-pay-to-get-married!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206487-Remove-both-marriage-plans.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206612-Do-you-play-FFXIV-because-you-like-Subscription-Fee-Model-Sign-up.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206590-I-ll-leave-the-game-if-Cash-Shop-provides-Paid-Advantage-in-Triple-Triad
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/205576-SE-enough-of-the-treadmill-please-make-the-game-more-interesting!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206674-Exactly-how-much-more-do-you-expect-us-to-pay
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/206451-Eternal-Bond-Standard-Plan-and-Gold-Plan
The difference between you and me is that you take their word at face value while I look at their history (and I've played their games for a long time so know it well), every expansion they made for ffxi was bare bones in that all they gave you was the zones and a small amount of actual things to do in them. Blizzard put it all in the expansion and tweak it afterwards, two different systems. This is how Square have shown to operate, so many xiv players are quick to state that "xiv will never go f2p because xi didn't" or similar nonsense until it's a negative then they magically become nothing alike at all.
With Square it's not about what they say, it's about reading between the lines or seeing through their pr speak. They are almost always trying to fool you or use double talk. While it might be as "big" as v2.0 in terms of zones will it have much actual content in those zones or will they add that in drips and drabs over the following years? Because as an XI player I know that is exactly how they operated.
Do you want me to dig up the twenty+ page threads from last year complaining about Miqo'te butts and grass? Official forums whine about everything, hyperbole is their 'thing' and that's how they think they can get the devs' attention.
There's 600k players and you think the OF trolls represent most of them? You continue to deliver, amber.
FFXI 2002-2009 and FFXIV 2010-2014 have been soooo similar that we can predict what SE will do in 2015? I know, right! FFXIV is truly following in FFXI's footsteps in all regards.
Of course it is with the megaserver. Prior to the megaserver many of the servers were quite dead.
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