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2nd Kickstarter Failed?

MightyUncleanMightyUnclean Member EpicPosts: 2,700
From what I can tell, the second Kickstarter campaign failed and they are looking to alternate funding sources.  Any idea what those sources might be?  I'm really interested in this game and it might be the first indie project I give money to, if it has a chance of making it.
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  • krondinkrondin Member UncommonPosts: 106

    Its an awesome Fun game to play!

     

    I hope they find a new way to reach finances. Maybe thru donations? I feel the kickstarter failed due to lack of exposure. It simply wasnt advertised enough for people to know it exists. What a Gem of a game in this very early stage of playability. It would be very sad to see it go away after seeing so many craptastic games get to market. I even voted for it on Greenlight via steam! 

     

    IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THAT OLD SCHOOL " Good Feeling" when you play a game, Play Project Gorgon at projectgorgon.com

     

    Great content! Good Community! - Remember when you lost track of time playing an MMO? Because you are so into it time slips away? This game will do that! I LOVE playing it!

  • RobokappRobokapp Member RarePosts: 6,156
    can't they go the capitalist way about it and take a bank loan?

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  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,917

    I thought they said if the 2nd KS failed they would NOT look for further funding.

    The KS was run poorly - had very few updates.

    This is the issue of having such a small team - it's just far too overwhelming running a KS and working on lots of game updates at the same time.

     

  • NuhaineNuhaine Member UncommonPosts: 58

    While I haven't looked into it, I believe they haven't decided on a course of action to pursue. I personally believe that a third kickstarter campaign is necessary. One that is just starting as the game is being marketed heavily. There are talks to get large guilds interested to build our community. Currently, there are 50-100 players at any given time, and only a few are willing to spend money.

     

    They have a few options that could be a success, though. They could accept donations, or create a payment model akin to founders packs, or try a third kickstarter. However, I believe that the developer really cares for the direction the video game market is going, and he doesn't want to encourage things like micro-transactions and making players pay for extra content within the game. This game has potential to hit it big, but there is a philosophy involved that makes things a little more difficult.

     

    He does have a point with his opinions, and I agree with him on most of them. He's a pretty smart guy who has done what many would consider impossible. Project Gorgon is rapidly picking up speed, it just needs to let down its sails and ride the breeze to launch.

  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,917
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    can't they go the capitalist way about it and take a bank loan?

    As a personal loan - possibly.

    As a business loan - no way in hell.

     

  • iridescenceiridescence Member UncommonPosts: 1,552

    They should just charge a (small) sub for the game they have and promise to update it. I would pay and I'm sure quite a few others would as well. Unlike Pantheon which tried that PG actually has a working game.

     

  • fearufearu Member UncommonPosts: 254

    Sadly while PG was probably the most fun indie MMO I've played recently the community are burnt out on being burnt by these kind of Kickstarters after so many of them turned out to be cash grabs and failures.

     

    "Someone else" can support these games and I'll pay once a product has been delivered and proven to be of quality.

     

  • NuhaineNuhaine Member UncommonPosts: 58
    Originally posted by fearu

    Sadly while PG was probably the most fun indie MMO I've played recently the community are burnt out on being burnt by these kind of Kickstarters after so many of them turned out to be cash grabs and failures.

     

    Many of the games that turn out to be cash grabs do not have a working alpha that you can log in to and play for free. It's just one guy developing the game, so imagine what he could do with the right resources?

     

    I think that there are few excuses beyond not having the money to help get this project off the ground. It screams that it will go somewhere given support.

  • OhhPaigeyOhhPaigey Member RarePosts: 1,513
    Originally posted by DMKano

    I thought they said if the 2nd KS failed they would NOT look for further funding.

    The KS was run poorly - had very few updates.

    This is the issue of having such a small team - it's just far too overwhelming running a KS and working on lots of game updates at the same time.

     

    They're not done with the game and are looking for other ways to fund it. :)

    When all is said and done, more is always said than done.
  • DMKanoDMKano Member LegendaryPosts: 21,917
    Originally posted by iridescence

    They should just charge a (small) sub for the game they have and promise to update it. I would pay and I'm sure quite a few others would as well. Unlike Pantheon which tried that PG actually has a working game.

     

    There were what not even 300 total backers on KS.

    Even if they charged $5 - 300 people wouldn't even cover the cost of hosting the alpha server each month.

     

     

     

  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,951
    Stick a fork in this one, it is finished

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  • NuhaineNuhaine Member UncommonPosts: 58
    A game which updates weekly and promises to go on forever is not simply 'finished' and regardless of what you may think, Project Gorgon will continue.
  • iridescenceiridescence Member UncommonPosts: 1,552
    Originally posted by DMKano

     

    There were what not even 300 total backers on KS.

    Even if they charged $5 - 300 people wouldn't even cover the cost of hosting the alpha server each month.

     

     

     

    They have kept the server up for a year or two on their own.  Why would their ability to do that suddenly change?

     

  • flizzerflizzer Member RarePosts: 2,432
    Originally posted by iridescence
    Originally posted by DMKano

     

    There were what not even 300 total backers on KS.

    Even if they charged $5 - 300 people wouldn't even cover the cost of hosting the alpha server each month.

     

     

     

    They have kept the server up for a year or two on their own.  Why would their ability to do that suddenly change?

     

    Money?

     

    I love the game also and plan on playing until they shut down. Unfortunately, the money is not there and passion can only do so much.

  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,951
    Originally posted by Nuhaine
    A game which updates weekly and promises to go on forever is not simply 'finished' and regardless of what you may think, Project Gorgon will continue.

     

                  Actually you are wrong. Sorry. It is unfortunate but this is a business and these games are very expensive

     

             Even if the Kickstarter doesn't succeed, you'll still finish the game, right?

    Well, barring some other source of $100k, Project: Gorgon as envisioned here won't get made without Kickstarter.

    We really do need money to finish the game. It requires 18 months more work to reach the quality and content levels it needs to be successful. So if the Kickstarter doesn't succeed, we need to find that money somewhere else.

    The MMO engine is being used by a couple of other aspiring indie MMO teams, and we'll continue to support them as long as possible, so it's not like everything would disappear overnight. And we'll all keep making games, somehow or another!

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  • CaldrinCaldrin Member UncommonPosts: 4,505
    Originally posted by Robokapp
    can't they go the capitalist way about it and take a bank loan?

    You dont get bank loans for making games..

     

    Unless a proper publisher picked them up or they find someone willing to invest in the coumpany then they will have to rely on donations.

  • NuhaineNuhaine Member UncommonPosts: 58
    Originally posted by blueturtle13
    Originally posted by Nuhaine
    A game which updates weekly and promises to go on forever is not simply 'finished' and regardless of what you may think, Project Gorgon will continue.

     

                  Actually you are wrong. Sorry. It is unfortunate but this is a business and these games are very expensive

     

    Keep note of the 'As Envisioned Here' part of the statement. The game will not achieve the vision Eric is seeking if funding is not acquired. If funding is never acquired, then the game will likely become more of a pet project and not see mass success.

     

    There is more information than what is just on the Kickstarter page:

    http://stratics.com/community/threads/if-kickstarter-fails-then-what.321782/

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    If they already have a (more or less) fun product to play, they could get it into the Steam early access program, charge a reasonable sum and try to grow from there.

    Pretty sure they're trying that as it's on Steam Greenlight.

     

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  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,789
    Originally posted by fearu

    Sadly while PG was probably the most fun indie MMO I've played recently the community are burnt out on being burnt by these kind of Kickstarters after so many of them turned out to be cash grabs and failures.

     

    "Someone else" can support these games and I'll pay once a product has been delivered and proven to be of quality.

     

    That's pretty much what's turning into. There's so many Kickstarters popping up all over the place that many of them are beginning to find it hard to get funded. And to make matters worse, there's a few unscrupulous ones that have begun to sour people on the whole Kickstarter thing.

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  • HarikenHariken Member RarePosts: 2,405
    Its a fun old school type game. And thats its problem. Sure everybody here thinks its a great game. But two kickstarter failures says it doesn't appeal to most people. Any game where the starter area is a cave that you don't know when to leave and a game with no hand holding isn't really going to do well in todays market. It was a nice try though. Makes me wonder how many people are really playing it or just posting they are.
  • RPGMASTERGAMERRPGMASTERGAMER Member UncommonPosts: 516
    Originally posted by Hariken
    Its a fun old school type game. And thats its problem. Sure everybody here thinks its a great game. But two kickstarter failures says it doesn't appeal to most people. Any game where the starter area is a cave that you don't know when to leave and a game with no hand holding isn't really going to do well in todays market. It was a nice try though. Makes me wonder how many people are really playing it or just posting they are.

    you are totaly wrong, the game failed the kickstarter only because people dont know yet about this game, you can find a high demand for a quality ''old school game'' like project gordon, most people who started with ultima online, everquest or most of the old one dislike most of the new mmorpg we got each year, but they are still here, looking for the game who will bring these people back the fealing of playing a real mmorpg.

    and project gordon do just that, bring back the fealing of playing a game such as ultima online or everquest, that a realy realy well done game with about 5x more features that many current mmorpg we got, the potential here.

    the only error they do are not publishing enough about the game and people just dont know about the game, when they know?

    they play it and love it, that realy hard find someone who dislike this game

    (  people who have go out of the cave, im guessing you did not because you were not hand holded lol )

    and if you want know, im actively playing it and find new features all the time

     

    this game can work if they do more pub and hype, they got a solid mmorpg

    what they could do with 100k ? and more people ? kinda scary :)

  • blueturtle13blueturtle13 Member LegendaryPosts: 11,951
    Originally posted by Nuhaine
    Originally posted by blueturtle13
    Originally posted by Nuhaine
    A game which updates weekly and promises to go on forever is not simply 'finished' and regardless of what you may think, Project Gorgon will continue.

     

                  Actually you are wrong. Sorry. It is unfortunate but this is a business and these games are very expensive

     

    Keep note of the 'As Envisioned Here' part of the statement. The game will not achieve the vision Eric is seeking if funding is not acquired. If funding is never acquired, then the game will likely become more of a pet project and not see mass success.

     

    There is more information than what is just on the Kickstarter page:

    http://stratics.com/community/threads/if-kickstarter-fails-then-what.321782/

     

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  • ArclanArclan Member UncommonPosts: 1,550

    I confess I couldn't decide which funding level to pick. I got up to $250 thinking wow that's cheap for all the stuff that you get...but then I realized WTF would I want to pledge $250. Talked myself out of it. Wishing them luck, though!



    Originally posted by DMKano
    There were what not even 300 total backers on KS.Even if they charged $5 - 300 people wouldn't even cover the cost of hosting the alpha server each month.


    I too noticed the average donation was north of $100. Things that make you go hmmm.

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  • NuhaineNuhaine Member UncommonPosts: 58

    I guess if you are open to the 'believe what you want to believe' concept, I'll leave you to it. The game isn't dead yet, just have to keep on showing people the game is great! Log in and see for yourself.

     

    As to the Kickstarter campagin, I believe the average donations were higher due to both skillful KS reward placement and a niche audience. The core of the matter remains that much of the publicity only happened after the KS campaign launched. You have to get people riled up about the game and never admit your faults before you launch the KS campaign, pretending that your problems don't exist. But Eric didn't, and the savage humanity in everyone is hurting him for it.

     

    Once you have the campaign running, you have to babysit it, update it weekly and sometimes daily. Get more publicity. The more activity, and the longer someone stays at a website, the more 'umph' search providers give you.

  • AlumicardAlumicard Member UncommonPosts: 388
    Originally posted by Nuhaine

    As to the Kickstarter campagin, I believe the average donations were higher due to both skillful KS reward placement and a niche audience. The core of the matter remains that much of the publicity only happened after the KS campaign launched. You have to get people riled up about the game and never admit your faults before you launch the KS campaign, pretending that your problems don't exist. But Eric didn't, and the savage humanity in everyone is hurting him for it.

     

    Once you have the campaign running, you have to babysit it, update it weekly and sometimes daily. Get more publicity. The more activity, and the longer someone stays at a website, the more 'umph' search providers give you.

    Imho the average amount was high because people who look for a game like PG are those who started MMOs when those were new. By now they have a regular income and can afford to "waste" some money. If the KS were succesful I had funded it with $500 which is more than I paid for any game before including sub games.

     

    The problem is or maybe was, depending on your point of view, that they have a small team and as mentioned in the other post they are coders and not PR people. Had they done some PR before the KS maybe they had gotten the money. Even if I wanted to I can't really blame Eric or anyone else on the team for the fail because they aren't used to work in that area.

     

    I hope they continue the game and set up a donation, maybe a voluntary founder pack or something similar. But they should keep the alpha free to try because that is one positive thing about PG. In nearly every other new game you have to pay before you play but here you can play before you pay. They don't hide behind a paywall  and throw around visions of this or that might be the game. Play the game, see it grow, if you like it throw some money their way and if not then give some feedback how to improve it.

     

    @the 300 people, $5 each isnt enough to pay for the server, they dont have a farm yet so it might pay for the server but there won't be much left over for the dev team.

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