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Seconded.
Where's the any key?
As an "average" Eve player (or former average Eve player, as these days I simply don't have enough spare time to play it decently though I did for years, my account is now inactive), I resent remarks like that.
In all the years I played Eve:
-I never said disrespectful racial slurs to anyone
-I never sent death threats
-I never scammed anyone that I knew had any serious illness or disability (don't even remember meeting anyone at all in either of those conditions)
-I gave helpful advice wherever I could to newer players I was flying with, and sometimes even in the help channels
-I played together with people from nearly every known continent (possibly at least once having a small gang with people from every continent all at the same time) and most known religions, ranging in ages anywhere from 14 to 64, and we were able to get along together without any issues
-I can't remember if a single other person I flew with in the corps I was in over the years ever said a single heavily racial slur or real world death threat to anyone, even people we were at war with.
Don't let a couple of extreme, heavily publicized examples of utterly f*ckwitted a$$hats color your entire opinion of the entire Eve playerbase. Yes, people like that may be in there...but they also make the most fun targets
.
Where's the any key?
Last time I was on (long ago), there were helpful corps. that would spend time working with new players and there are some good people. Also there are people who would happily pod you and dance on your dead clone in chat. After awhile it just gets old. Beautiful universe though.
After I saw the CCP video highlighting that a player could join a corporation, work has way up to a position of trust, then dismantle that corp. I knew what the Devs were into. Wild, wild, west...
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Eve is the cesspool for all players who find the limited amounts of misery they can inflict upon other people in standard MMOs insufficient.
And this isn't an insult to EVE Players... because EVE Players know it and wear such labels as a badge of honor.
All I can say is, thank you CCP. You gave the worst of the worst an MMO they can all play... and not be in the ones I'm playing.
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Bit of a late reply but if you Googled my in game characters name "Infinity Ziona" you'll find my character was what most people referred to as a "griefer".
I'm in the EvE wiki having created the Privateers alliance, a war deccing corporation. I played for 10 years, the majority of that time as a high sec war deccer killing carebears for extortionate purposes, then branched out to attempting to extort null sec alliances and also dabbled in piracy.
I had no issues with non-consentual pvp, non-consensual pvp is the reason I played for so long. The issue is at some point CCP lost their ability to distinguish between non-consensual pvp and harassment.
Nobody should be allowed to follow a single player, using a disposable alt you can't hurt (just reships and comes back) and a ship with no fittings other then a covert ops cloak and possibly a cyno, with the express purpose of verbally harassing that person. I put up with this because I thought screw it, don't let the moron ruin your gameplay but the final straw was CCP ignoring the harassment and then warning me for using the F word after this person harassing me reported me. The report obviously just another form of their harassment. The F word and much much worse, I'm talking sick perverted stuff that should get people insta-banned in Jita and Amarr being ignored, is extremely common in EvE.
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Eve gameplay is not about space ships & space ,Eve is about players interactions sand box MMORPG game,it is not SP+MP sci fi game.
Excellent response.
Something I've tried to argue for in other PvP MMOs is for people to recognize the difference between PvP or even griefing "in the spirit of the game", and outright harassment of another person that goes far beyond what the game encourages.
If someone is calling another individual a pedophile or any other such thing, that should be grounds for - at the least - a temp ban, and a stern warning that the next time, they're gone for good.
Sadly, "it's open world, hardcore PvP sandbox... that's what it's all about maaaan" has become people's way of giving themselves permission to behave in any way they want, without any sense of personal accountability. This is just the old "it doesn't matter, it's just a game" rationale taken to an extreme. It's people who want to (ab)use the anonymity of an online persona to act out in any way they want without repercussion, and then hiding behind the paper-thin defense of "hardcore PvP sandbox play" when called out on it.
I don't know what CCP's deal is, and why they aren't handling it in a more strict manner. Maybe they're too busy trying to get their own business back on track after their recent unusuccessful streak. But if they actually allow that kind of stuff - especially after that whole blow-up with The Mittani - then I really don't understand where their heads are, either. I can't believe they'd actually be of the opinion that it's perfectly okay to bust through the 4th wall, and begin attacking a person in real life, as "part of the gameplay". But maybe they do. Who knows.
Regardless, forget "sandbox open hardcore PvP". There's a point where basic human decency and common-sense should come into play - and that's on the individual to recognize. That it doesn't for a number of people is really disturbing, to me.
And incidentally, this kind of stuff doesn't only happen in Eve. I'd seen similar things in L2 and other open PvP MMOs I've played. I think Eve just gets more attention for it because the "events" tend to be so much more costly.
Its their playerbase, without it, game would fail, thats why they are not doing anything about it.
I really like the idea of EvE but the shit that happened in this game over the years
have made me say NO to any kind of idea of resubbing. EvE has become the 4chan
of the gaming industry and that is just disgusting.
But there are other games to play, its not the end of the world.
Oh my, this is too priceless. You spent 10 years hunting down the weak and helpless, harassing players with your emergent game play, attacking pretty much only those who couldn't fight back, and as soon as one of them retaliates by following you around and calling you bad names, you fold under the pressure?
When I think of all the people who likely found themselves station spinning because of you and your ilk, (just because you had no problem with non-consensual PVP doesn't mean they didn't) it is only fitting that when the time came, you couldn't figure out a way to handle it yourself, (er, there is a block feature, right?)
Yes, there is justice in the universe after all, I can only imagine how the folks at CCP viewed your harassment complaint, I'm sure they were all thinking, "HTFU" noob.
You knew the score, cause enough grief in EVE and someone is going to try to take you down. Too bad if you don't think the tactics they employed were fair. All's fair in love and EVE, we all know and accept that.
Thanks for this reply, you made my day.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
To the clowns claiming "freedom" is the reason for this douchebagery, I say this:
You have the "freedom" to lop the head off of a toddler. Most people don't because they're not frothing at the mouth sociopaths looking to ruin things for others. So take your "freedom", roll it up real tight, and shove it up your tailpipe.
You are speaking nonsense, seriously. You are saying CCP should ban people for name calling? What's too bad of a name? Pedophile, Asshat, Doo-doo head?
When you try to control language, you go down a very slippery slope very quickly and things can get out of control.
Unless the name really fits, who cares what sort of smack talk someone throws at you, besides rule 1 of Local, never respond or talk, though players like the OP usually don't follow this solid advice.
I can see if a player threatens to harm you or your family in real life that's crossing the line, but in game name calling, c'mon, you have to show some stones in EVE, and shrug crap like this,
I'm a carebear, I don't grief other players, I don't name call, nor smack talk in local. When I get killed by someone the most they ever get from me is "GF", even if they outnumbered me 10 to 1.
I've been stalked by Mercs like the OP many times in my EVE career, fought battles to the death (usually mine) against them, saw my corporations disband, rename, flee to null sec, or on rare occasion, successfully fight back.
I've no sympathy for the OP, in fact, now I know another tactic that I could easily employ against a griefer, should I ever feel the need to use it. Never would have thought this would be successful though, I suspect against most players in EVE it wouldn't.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Please, don't compare some reprehensible, over the top crime in real life with in game douchebagery, totally different things.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
EvE is both a PvP game and a PvE game. Many claim its a PvP game only but I disagree with that idea. One of the things about EvE is apart from morons who suicide gank its entirely possible to avoid PvP by not creating or joining a PvE corporation or even better, creating a PvP wing foryour PvE corporation. Additionally you can set aside a small proportion of income using tax for rainy days when you are war decced.
One of the main reasons corporations get war decced is they're purely PvE and have created a PvE only corporation with no defence or offence.
While I war decced these types of corporations I always offered them a reasonable fee between 100 million to 1 billion. I also offered new players immunity from the war for 5 million isk and those newbies who declined I would exempt from the war after they were killed twice. Additionally my rule was if one of the members killed me, I immediately retracted the war. At the end of every war, I'd select people who showed courage and skill and contract them a few billion worth of ships as a reward.
I really liked EVE, prior to the new generation of developers who have ruined it and so had no desire to hurt others gameplay which is why I had those limitations.
It wasn't a matter of not being able to handle it. I did for 4 months. At the time we had up to 8 afk cyno fitted ships around the region of null we were operating in. Only 1 followed me around and verbally harassed, including reporting me for minor infractions as another form of harassment. The issue was CCP's inability to enforce its own rules (the rules state you may not follow a player and harass them for extended periods of time) and its selective use of its rules to punish me for using the F word in local while ignoring the above serious breach of the EULA.
But....you are/were one of the "bad guys". By your own admission, you stalked helpless PVE players simply because the were not able and/or willing to defend themselves, you even feel justified in your actions in causing those folks pain because you were "teaching" them something, and you graciously offered to let them pay you off in the form of ransom, like any other pirate?
Bad guys don't get to complain when the tables are turned against them somehow. You can't say something is unfair. My guess is you had years of smack talking noobs in local, probably stepped over the line on more than one occasion, but no repercussions.
I remember Privateers, lost a very expensive Drake to a couple of their pilots very early in my EVE career, (stupid Tech 4 missile launchers at 15M ISK each) because I didn't realize in a war dec how easy they would be able to track me down.
Such an easy kill for them as 3 swarmed in on top of me, all for my "crime" or belonging to the wrong corp and being too stupid to know better.
Well, EVE is a swift teacher, and I didn't lose any more ships that way, (whole bunch of other ways, but not that way) but again, I really do think CCP took a look at your complaints and said really? This guys is complaining? It would be like the Goons complaining someone was mean to them. CCP wouldn't care.
Yeah, they lost your business, but then again, likely you weren't paying them any cash money for many years, so not much of a loss from their viewpoint, less ISK chasing PLEX and driving up the prices.
Look, I know you feel "wronged" but from where I sit, all seems to be just a case of the universe balancing itself out a little.
Also, how could these "alts" stalk you, block them, you never hear from them again. Tell your friends to block them as well. Problem solved, certainly not nearly as bad as a new player I met the other day who was being stalked by a very senior player for some reason who was suicide ganking him wherever he went in high sec. He really pissed someone off.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The game is too much focused on griefing and scamming.
Main problem is the HUGE death penality.
When you die you loose your ship and and you have to waste a lot of time to get another. Because of this people avoid fights etc.
I played eve from 2004 i think and gave up couple years ago. Too much waste time and even more imprtant it cultives what is bad in people.
Curently i play star conflict while waiting for elite dangerous and star citizen.
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Well written original post.
The difficulty is that a sandbox game does encourage all types of behaviours from cooperative and friendly to spiteful harassment.
It is exceptionally hard to police such a game, especially if it has a mass audience, without compromising the element of player freedom which maybe such the game's attractive core.
Essentially, I suggest, game communities should be left to police themselves. I believe that ultimately this means the game will become self-regulating and find its own balance. If a game doesn't find that balance, if people find the atmosphere either too toxic or, alternatively, too restrictive, they will leave and the game will collapse. But do game communities tend to be 'self-righting' as most healthy RL communities are? I have no idea.
To understand the level of distrust in this game : you are not allowed to join any corporation without permanently alowing them to :read your ingame email , see all your assets, and see all you financial transactions.
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A STRANGE GAME.
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Bringing politics into this forum is a big no no.....
Do some corps require access to one or more of those when reviewing recruits? Yes. If they are going to be letting you have access to hangars of ships, giving permission to take items from massive warehouses of supplies and including you in strategic talks involving private intel, then they're going to want to weed out spies and saboteurs before they get in the door.
Your statement, however, is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
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