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[Column] Star Wars: The Old Republic: The Story's the Thing

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,126

When you build your corporate game development reputation on high-end storytelling, there shouldn't be much surprise when your fanbase expects the same level of quality out of any subsequent release.  BioWare is synonymous with some of the richest stories in all of PC gaming, and with an intellectual property like Star Wars to play with, our expectations are understandably high.

Read more of Jean Prior's Star Wars: The Old Republic - The Story's the Thing.




  • DrucalionDrucalion Member UncommonPosts: 22
    I say have you never heard of group Finder, its just one click and you have a group.
  • heider89heider89 Member UncommonPosts: 159
    agree with op
  • museandalimuseandali Member UncommonPosts: 67


    It wouldn't be an MMORPG article about SWTOR without people coming out of the woodwork to hate on it for not being SWG.

  • GormokGormok Member Posts: 379
    Agree with OP, the main selling point of SWTOR was its story. However Bioware has decided to locked the main story content behind a grouping wall. Grouping is find for side stories like Mando Raiders or something that does not affect the overall story arch. The OP isn't entitled but make very good points. Its those players that feel everything should be group content that are the entitled crowd.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,823

    To be honest you can solo a lot of that level 50 group content these days.

    It'll take some work gearing up yourself and a companion (preferably with ultimate commendations, though part elite coms might work too), and the flashpoint will be hard, but it is managable. :)

    The only problem would be if you want to finish the HK-51 questline you'll also need to do a hardmode flashpoint, which will be much harder to solo. So you'd have to grit your teeth and just use the groupfinder for one specific flashpoint, or pass on the HK-51 completely.

    I do agree with the Forged Alliances storyline though, it should have some solo content too, but I have little doubt that it will get that with the 3.0 expansion. So hopefully this latest tactical flashpoint that's coming later this month (for subs) will be the last "group only" content that leads to it.

    And I certainly hope they're not going to do something ridiculous like ending the storyline with an Operation.

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)


  • GormokGormok Member Posts: 379
    Originally posted by allday88

    It's not about all group or not it's about crying because you think it's unfair because it's not what you want. His comment about how lotro gives the same rewards is a stretch and ver misleading, that only happens in two vanilla story quest.  He wants the same rewards for running solo content as those who run group content.  That's entitlement.  He wants HK and not have to work for it like everyone else that's entitlement.  Trying to turn a game into something you want when it's clear the majority want it like it is and the fact the game is healthier then ever proves that.


     Sorry this article is just a pathetic entitlement rant.  

    Now that's a different argument all together. Even WoW does not do this, if you want group lvl rewards than you have to group for those. Group level rewards should never be on par with solo lvl rewards. To be honest in a sense the group content is still solo, because you can group finder for it and go about your business. The problem with SWTOR is the spacebar crowd, who just wants to rush through the FP. So making the main story arch as group content is just plain stupid imo.

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    I really woudn't want the world group content of SW:TOR removed. Heck, it's one of the few casual western mmo's that still has this much to group up for.

    Yes it's sometimes hard to find a group for Heroic quests, but then again, it's not THAT hard either. Today I actually immediately got invited to two of them by players who were standing around the same questgiver (I didn't ask for one of the invites, but still helped the guy out).

    Overall, it just adds a nice challenge to try that Heroic 2 alone or that Heroic 4 with two people and healing companions. A challenge I frankly miss in a lot of other MMO's.

    As for dungeons: you have the group finder which still gives you almost instant parties. People can sometimes be asses about skipping dialogue, but its not like every group will kick you for it either.

    Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!

  • DocBrodyDocBrody Member UncommonPosts: 1,926
    Originally posted by museandali


    It wouldn't be an MMORPG article about SWTOR without people coming out of the woodwork to hate on it for not being SWG.

    it's not about SWTOR not being SWG

    it's about SWTOR not having features SWG had, ten years ago


    simple things, like day night cycles, open space exploration, ship decoration etc.

    at least SWTOR gets the housing soon so maybe more will follow.


  • ElalandElaland Member UncommonPosts: 40
    100% agree with article.  I've played SWTOR since beginning, and have gone through almost every class variation for the class stories.  I never skip a movie clip even though I've seen all of them multiple times.   I mostly team with my wife, and play a lot of solo when she isn't playing.  I only  rarely play with groups so I am one who misses the story arcs that require groups.  If future stories require groups then I am likely nearing the end of my playing time unless the housing, or subsequent additions provide sufficient entertainment.  BTW playing solo or choosing not to group is not entitlement; it's freedom of choice, and I for one will choose to play how I get the most enjoyment out of a game.
  • GnoblesseGnoblesse Member UncommonPosts: 6

    Lots of people commenting here using the word "entitled."

    I do not think that word means what you think it means.

  • UsualSuspectUsualSuspect Member UncommonPosts: 1,243

    To start off, I hate the way MMO's are becoming more solo adventures. MMO's, to me, were designed to be played as a multiplayer game, hence the name, it completely defeats the point if you can play the whole thing on your own.

    That said, in the case of SWTOR I'd let everything be soloable. It's pretty much a single player game anyway, I played it up to around level 40 before I had enough of playing an online single player RPG. So sure, just make it a single player game that's online, be done with it. What have they got to change? Like, 2% of the content to make it all solo?

  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381

    Swtor has best ever story telling. Resubbed last month. Have 8 maxed out alts (and close to other 8 combinations; obviously I'm altholic :-)), for every story combination. I never skip scenes or very very rarely when maybe just gone through some with some alt. Love, love, love .... to have choice to answer and npc react differently. Many times does not change outcome, but love to be able to answer submissively or aggressively. :-) And when you have choice to let live some enemy, you will encounter him at some later time. Or will have harshe decision to let him die or let die bunch of innocent people. Incredible feeling. Same apply to instances. Sure, would love to see more impact from this choices in future events in story telling and PVE, but others does not have anything even close to this. In general PVE would be impossible to change global events because my decisions would then affect gameplay of others.

    As said many times with Wow and Swtor all my gaming needs are covered for years to come. Have no problem imagine myself to play Wow or Swtor for next 10, 20 years.

    I however enjoy to try any game out there in MMO world as long as it is sub based or have at least mixed model. Sorry, but from my experience, stopped long ago to play F2P trash. Guess this happened with Silk Road and mainly Rappelz, where at the end of month have discovered that have been paying for total crap more money with various shops that would spend with any decent game on sub model.

    So far quest for any better games was failure. That does not mean have not enjoyed - and a lot many times - various AoC, War, TSW, Wildstar, Rift, ARR, CO, .... I will try any MMO that have 3rd person view, does not enforce WASD, ... and few more rules.

    There are games, that I fell in love, are great (despite zillion of bugs), like TSW and Wildstar ... but have that impossible, disgusting, hated, ... BUTTON MASHING 1 toolbar. At some level I did not felt like wanting to continue despite I loved all the rest.


  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member RarePosts: 6,279
    Originally posted by allday88

    Wow what a pretty pathetic article. Talk about entitlement, incase he forgot he is playing an MMORPG!  Yeah head over to lotro and read their forums people are begging for group content, lotro changed their stories because nobody was playing the game, their population was on a decline and groups were impossible to find.  Now lotro releases expansions with ZERO group content.  You can't compare lotro with any current mmo.  


    They have not added class story since launch and over two years later the game is in better shape then ever, whining little  articles like this are from the minority.  Yes we all want class story it will never happen but their story arcs are great it's not their fault you don't want to click on the GF and experience it.  It's not even about gear anymore you can que in all greens and be put in a group and your stats get boosted.  


    Just my opinion but I thought this was a pretty pathetic article. 


    I think the OP is out of touch with reality.

    The Bioware studio now maintaining this game was hit with the EA sledgehammer several times over the years, crushing the employee numbers to a bare minimum to maintain this game.

    Only recently, now they finally started making a little bit of Money after 2 years, I think they were allowed to hire a few extra personel again. Hence, why you can now finally start looking forward to the housing update.

    But they will never ever get the funding again, needed to do an expansion that progresses each individual class story arc.

    The OP has no idea how ridiculous expensive that is! Hiring all those writers and voice actors again.

    Not going to happen, unless a million people suddenly start returning to the game and paying a subscription again.

  • haplo602haplo602 Member UncommonPosts: 234
    Originally posted by Elaland
    BTW playing solo or choosing not to group is not entitlement; it's freedom of choice, and I for one will choose to play how I get the most enjoyment out of a game.

    Choosing not to group and then crying that group content should still be available and doable is entitlement.


    You are free to pick your own way to play, but you should not cry about the consequences afterwards.

  • DeathboDeathbo Member UncommonPosts: 60
    I wish they would give you the option to transfer from eu to us servers stuck on empty servers due to my work hours
  • tordurbartordurbar Member UncommonPosts: 421

    The problem with the Story is that it is not MY Story but Bioware's Story. Yes you can influence the Story but only so far. You can only pick from a list of options. The first time I quit SWTOR is was because of this. Bioware kept saying it was my story yet I really had very little impact. Combining that with the almost total lock of an open Star Wars world it was just too much for me. Class quests can be interesting at times but I like much more the building up quests such as The Thing the Czerka Found.

    Now I am back (and a subscriber). It is not the Story that brought me back. Ironically it is the things in SWTOR that are more like vanilla WOW that did it - such as adding a Talent point/Ability point every level.

    As for the lack of SWTOR future content I believe that this is a combination of free to play and the MMO market malaise. Going free to play may have made SWTOR popular but it is still not making the big bucks that would get investors interested in providing more money for bigger and better expansions. The MMO malaise is just that. As WOW has learned the market for new MMO players has pretty much tapped out. MMO's now vie to attract players from a static if not shrinking environment.

    The money is in the mobile games and that is where the investors are.

    I too am not happy with the forced grouping trend. I do not care for LFR - I had my fill of it in WOW. I am a solo player. If they lock me out of future expansions then, like the OP, I will find another game, or, more likely, cancel my SWTOR sub and just go FTP.

  • delta9delta9 Member UncommonPosts: 358

    use group finder and enjoy all the storymode flashpoints you desire - I stopped reading the article when I saw the invalid complaint over this

    it seems you do not want to group up, so why play MMO?

    why dont you just use the lfg tool, pretend the other 3 people are npc and enjoy the story mode flashpoints? they are so easy its not like you need any real group tactics or coordination!

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