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Assuming you adopt the retarded mentality of endgame = fun rather than journey through the game = fun.
Oh and anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
Look at it from the opposite side. A player making tons of free account placing 5+ farms taking land that you, paying player, can't get. Or sitting on mines grinding all day long, then selling the mats almost at vendor price. You are asking for a broken game just to play it free. No thanks. Also the 10mln gold thing is ludicrous.
that is some good points.
I think what I dont understand is how is labour points part of the game play. I can figure out what its really for, other than to generate money for the dev in the future.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
P2W is P2W, there are no opposite sides.
See, I do not feel the need to call a game something it isn't just, because. You feel the need to keep coming up with reasons for it NOT to be P2W instead of just saying that it is...and moving on.
I PLAY Archeage, have done so for 5 months now and will continue to play (the Japanese version) for a while now and will never EVER feel the need to lie and call the game something it is not.
That is exactly how you remove it.
And i'll keep on calling it not pay to win because i think it's not. I guess we reached a conclusion.
Then by all means take 6 months to gain the right to get land with a patron status purchased with your long hard work only to find out there is no land to get because everyone got it by PAYING to get it on day 1 and being able to get in game money faster to be able to keep it.
I am sure you will be really happy with that "removal" when the time comes and you find out, it didn't remove it at all.
Hey OP, get tired of being slammed in your other thread so you started a new one. We get it, you don't like the game. Know what you have done....you have with your hatred towards Trion & Archage caused more people to want to try Archage out, so I will say congrats, your message is working out fine....for Trion/Archage.
Now on to something truely important...do you think it will rain?
I'll never call a sub p2w. It's just a stupid argument to make. It's an mmo...they have subs. People who expect to play an mmo for free and be competitive with sub players, don't belong in them.
That being said selling power/stats or the best items in a cash shop above and beyond a sub is something the genre doesn't need. I reserve the term p2w for what it really is. A game breaking mechanic, not a rallying call for a bunch of freeloaders.
Lazy freeloaders,some of us grinded dilithium in STO for a galaxy-x and do not mind working for our sub if we cannot afford it monetarily.
Are you on the forums calling the game p2w?
It's already happening in Alpha man. Not to mention, acquiring ore/logs takes up a lot more LP (certainly for ores!) than processing does. Also take into account that you can only specialize in a couple of crafts, and if you want to gather mats instead of processing them as specialization it's your call. Or rather, when you have been mining 100s of ore nodes and are out of LP but do want to get your ingots, just trade - there's always someone more than happy to spend LP (and gain XP) from processing them.
No but freeloader by definition means non-paying customer in this instance ergo do not lump us all into the lazy entitled corner, that's a vocal minority at best.
I laughed!
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
You lumped them all together not me. The line you're referring to was specifically talking about free players who complain about paying customers getting advantages in their sub.
Very few companies test their cash shops before release. And by that I mean true testing where they refund all purchases back at the end not this so called "Open Beta" crap where everything you buy carries over to launch because that's not testing it operating for a profit.
The reason I feel most don't is because they are not interested in player feedback on them. They know what they want to offer in the shop and if they are doing something new they have paid professional's money to give them advise on what works and what doesn't. They neither need or desire feedback on what's put n the cash shop from players. Now you as a player have two options at that point; 1. accept it and grin, 2. Don't play the game. I guess there is always the third option of complaining on some forum that will let you rant if it makes you feel better but don't expect anything to change.
I'll never call a F2P game that has a sub anything but P2W since they meet the definition of what P2W is.
Subscription based games shouldn't be trying to call themselves FREE 2 PLAY if its not free. F2P games are free and there are a LOT of them and THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CAME UP WITH THE TERM FREE 2 PLAY.
All freemium does is give its paying customers the wonderful world of troll/crap F2P players to deal with in the game they are paying to play.
Either be sub or be free. This game was a gem before the F2P changes, now its a better than average P2W.
Im sorry but am i to believe that P2W and SUB are considered the same thing now? I fucking hate this genre anymore. I long for the days of sub only mmos where everything in the game could be attained within the game. No Fucking cash shops. No fucking F2P never ending "trial" accounts. Pay your fucking 15 a month and have the same chance everyone else has at gaining and progressing within the game.
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Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
You know, I said the same thing when some companies that had sub games started calling them F2P while still expecting you to pay a sub for the entire thing while having to deal with a flood of F2P people.
One or the other please, the game is either worth paying for or it isn't and I have yet to see a game with a F2P crowd that is worth paying to play "all" of it. F2P players destroy communities unless you are playing a Japanese F2P game because those people aren't asses (and I don't mean stomping you in PvP and then bragging) or trolls.
This accurately describes me
Demolished by the idea "Time is money" with anyone over the age of 18 capable of earning 100s of dollars in the time spent gaming in P2P games of the post-EQ1 era to get your money's worth from the game. Arguably the last non-timesink MMO of the P2P variety was SWG pre-NGE but everything since has had you paying far, far more than those 15$ a month in time wasted.
F2P may not be much better but it is improving slowly whereas P2P is pretty much as good as it will ever get.
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