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  • drakolasdrakolas Member UncommonPosts: 42
    So far Trion's F2P model for ArcheAge seems to be pretty similar to what they did with Rift. It doesn't sound too bad and hopefully they'll have even less of a need to include things like gear (even if subpar) considering ArcheAge seems much more promising than Rift. I personally don't see why anyone cares if a company makes people pay for alpha or beta access either. They might be charging a lot of money, but people choose to pay it if they want to and everything gets wiped anyway so it's not like these people get some huge advantage. If you aren't willing to pay what they're charging than just suck it up buttercup and wait til launch.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by vgamer

    I think Trion is quite kind with this price. They are just asking for 150 dollars for you to test their translation. It could be way more. In fact, Trion should plea for tax returns because they are actually helping us by bringing this game to the Western public and alleviating the money of those who have too much, putting it in the pockets of the needy.

     

    So you should be thankful instead of hating..

    and if you as a gamer do not like then it just means you dont embrace innovation. :)

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    Originally posted by Amarid
    I think the reason for the $150 up front is because of the large amount of interest in the game.  The community has been watching the development of the game, waiting for it to be released in NA and constantly asking when and for more information.  So the cost is definitely based on demand for this particular game.  Whether it is right or not is up for debate, but I doubt few other games could do this and be successful, and from what I've read those who have paid for this are not unhappy with their investment.

      This is untrue, there are plenty that are happy, we just don't post about it, I wish people would stop saying this.  .This is a fact that most people who are happy are busy playing and a lot I know for a fact hate this forum because of the lies and posts like this...  You guys love to troll and complain..  I also get sick of people saying money grabs.... They are to support the cost in making a game, get that through your heads... I do not understand why people keep saying this , it is annoying..

     

    I hate to be mean here, but its just annoying that people act like this.. I mean, who is making you pay the 150 bucks??? No one, people want in beta for free, well, devs have realized when people pay , you have more of a chance people will report bugs and make a better game. You know why?? Because its your investment. I have sat there through atleast 40 games in early betas and watch people complain and say, say the game is good, so we can play!!!!

    Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    People think that companies can do all there own testing.. Its impossible to do all of your own testing, its best to allow the crowds in... So again, sorry if I came off so harsh, but I want people to see the other side of the story as well.

     

    PS: I'm  a gamer who turned DEV, I also have a BA in game production and study games, and develop a lot.. So I don't know it all, but I study games to make them better, its hard when you see comments like this, and assume they know thr truth and this every MMO is scamming them....   Read some of my other posts, I won't repeat me self but when there are no more MMO's being made, you will understand why... The day is coming, I'm telling you...

  • DarkcrystalDarkcrystal Member UncommonPosts: 963
    Originally posted by Asm0deus

    It's just a new trend that companies are using to make more cash under the guise of it is helping support the company or some other bla bla excuse and of course it works because wizard's first rule applies.

     

    NOTE: this isn't an insult towards anyone just my humble opinion!

      Please go look up the cost of the software to make a game, if you feel this way, please research the cost of making a game. If you need to pay good programmers expect to pay 70k - 150k, each person for a good one.  that's FOR one programmer. Imagine when you have about 50 of them...

     

    Now the software, lets start 3DS Max, or Maya, or both 5k each... Photoshop, we will be cheap and use the cloud 20 bucks per month , per user, yes I know there is a team license .  A little cheaper, I have one.    The game engine, per seat. Server costs. Each program, you need to use, or have someone make.. They nickel and dime you.. Terrain sculpting tools, Zbrush 800 bucks per user, Mudbox 800 per user...   Over head and rent for a building...  These are some basic needs to run a company to make a game...  You have to license your company... You have taxes to pay, so again, were do you think they are pocketing money here???

     

    I went from a big company to now, running my own game development company, I can tell you the costs rack up... Some games, you don't get your return, I already had that happen with one of our games... We lost money.... So please research before you assume this./

     

    /cheers.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    Originally posted by delete5230

    Important

    Please explain this :

    Swordsman, a soon to be release Asian MMO by Perfect World Entertainment will be F2P. 

    THIS GAME IS NOT CHARGING $150 !!!!!!

     

    ArchAge or Swordsman, good or bad whats the difference ?

    Well, one is good and the other is bad?

    Seriously, this reeeeeaaaaaalllllly bothers you.

    That you can't play in "Alpha".

    You can play when the game gets released and pay a sub if you want property.

    Nothing is going to be taken away from you.




  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    Originally posted by Darkcrystal
    Originally posted by Asm0deus

    It's just a new trend that companies are using to make more cash under the guise of it is helping support the company or some other bla bla excuse and of course it works because wizard's first rule applies.

     

    NOTE: this isn't an insult towards anyone just my humble opinion!

      Please go look up the cost of the software to make a game, if you feel this way, please research the cost of making a game. If you need to pay good programmers expect to pay 70k - 150k, each person for a good one.  that's FOR one programmer. Imagine when you have about 50 of them...

     

    And that's not the total cost. There is the company's contribution to retirement, the company's contribution to health benefits, figuring in training, figuring in recruitment costs, etc.

    I get the feeling that some people on this site don't have jobs, are self employed or think that video games are still made in people's basements on their own time and dime.




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Darkcrystal
    Originally posted by Asm0deus

    It's just a new trend that companies are using to make more cash under the guise of it is helping support the company or some other bla bla excuse and of course it works because wizard's first rule applies.

     

    NOTE: this isn't an insult towards anyone just my humble opinion!

      Please go look up the cost of the software to make a game, if you feel this way, please research the cost of making a game. If you need to pay good programmers expect to pay 70k - 150k, each person for a good one.  that's FOR one programmer. Imagine when you have about 50 of them...

     

    And that's not the total cost. There is the company's contribution to retirement, the company's contribution to health benefits, figuring in training, figuring in recruitment costs, etc.

    I get the feeling that some people on this site don't have jobs, are self employed or think that video games are still made in people's basements on their own time and dime.

    I personally have no problem paying $150 for a new 'epic' game if that money prooves to make a better game. For me the jury is still out on that for ArcheAge but to be fair it does contain every feature a major MMO has AND THEN MORE...so one can make a good case that what you are really getting is a base game plus major expansions.

     

     

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • Oh, I understand the premise here. People are realizing that they can't pony up so they feel bad.

     

    I didn't understand the context of this whole thing until people in this thread starting making it personal.

     

    Heh its whatever. If they don't deserve the quality entertainment they won't get it...their goose is already cooked and they trying to splash the water and make us all wet.

  • MothanosMothanos Member UncommonPosts: 1,910

    Its still amusing to read that people think its a free to play mmo.
    Damn are you guys in for a rough ass whooping come launch :)
    Its a subscription based mmo with a free to play restricted acces.

    And the 150 alpha is totaly worth it, the Alpha / Omega servers become the test servers for future builds to be tested.
    No character wipes either !
    So you just bought a life time early acces to new patches also !!

    Kinda neat from Trion !

    But haters gonne hate o/

  • Originally posted by Mothanos

    Its still amusing to read that people think its a free to play mmo.
    Damn are you guys in for a rough ass whooping come launch :)
    Its a subscription based mmo with a free to play restricted acces.

    And the 150 alpha is totaly worth it, the Alpha / Omega servers become the test servers for future builds to be tested.
    No character wipes either !
    So you just bought a life time early acces to new patches also !!

    Kinda neat from Trion !

    But haters gonne hate o/

     

    I just bought, waiting on the email details to reach my AOL mail...sometimes aol mail takes forever...like now. -_-

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 27,486
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Darkcrystal
    Originally posted by Asm0deus

    It's just a new trend that companies are using to make more cash under the guise of it is helping support the company or some other bla bla excuse and of course it works because wizard's first rule applies.

     

    NOTE: this isn't an insult towards anyone just my humble opinion!

      Please go look up the cost of the software to make a game, if you feel this way, please research the cost of making a game. If you need to pay good programmers expect to pay 70k - 150k, each person for a good one.  that's FOR one programmer. Imagine when you have about 50 of them...

     

    And that's not the total cost. There is the company's contribution to retirement, the company's contribution to health benefits, figuring in training, figuring in recruitment costs, etc.

    I get the feeling that some people on this site don't have jobs, are self employed or think that video games are still made in people's basements on their own time and dime.

    I personally have no problem paying $150 for a new 'epic' game if that money prooves to make a better game. For me the jury is still out on that for ArcheAge but to be fair it does contain every feature a major MMO has AND THEN MORE...so one can make a good case that what you are really getting is a base game plus major expansions.

     

     

    And that's the thing, this "$150" is for people who know that this is the game for them, they want to get in at the start to stress the servers, submit bug reports, etc, and will reap the benefits of having pre-paid for several months of subscription and "credits".

    For everyone else they can start the game when it launches and play without paying a dime if they think that works for them.

     




  • laz3rNach0zlaz3rNach0z Member Posts: 59
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Darkcrystal
    Originally posted by Asm0deus

    It's just a new trend that companies are using to make more cash under the guise of it is helping support the company or some other bla bla excuse and of course it works because wizard's first rule applies.

     

    NOTE: this isn't an insult towards anyone just my humble opinion!

      Please go look up the cost of the software to make a game, if you feel this way, please research the cost of making a game. If you need to pay good programmers expect to pay 70k - 150k, each person for a good one.  that's FOR one programmer. Imagine when you have about 50 of them...

     

    And that's not the total cost. There is the company's contribution to retirement, the company's contribution to health benefits, figuring in training, figuring in recruitment costs, etc.

    I get the feeling that some people on this site don't have jobs, are self employed or think that video games are still made in people's basements on their own time and dime.

    I personally have no problem paying $150 for a new 'epic' game if that money prooves to make a better game. For me the jury is still out on that for ArcheAge but to be fair it does contain every feature a major MMO has AND THEN MORE...so one can make a good case that what you are really getting is a base game plus major expansions.

     

     

    And that's the thing, this "$150" is for people who know that this is the game for them, they want to get in at the start to stress the servers, submit bug reports, etc, and will reap the benefits of having pre-paid for several months of subscription and "credits".

    For everyone else they can start the game when it launches and play without paying a dime if they think that works for them.

     

    i no this game for me but i aint gonna pay 150 bucks haha no offence but man people do some things make me wonder haha i mean im playin for free and thats viable so work it out however it makes u feel like u won bro

  • seafirexseafirex Member UncommonPosts: 419

    OP the thing is that 150$ for you could be a lot but for others not. Also if you pay 150$ for something and have lots of fun with it then it is a good investment.

    Those people i am sure they had tested it on the russian version or even had a sea account to test it before it was release over here. So they knew in what they where getting into.

  • demongoatdemongoat Member UncommonPosts: 68
    Originally posted by Darkcrystal
     

      Please go look up the cost of the software to make a game, if you feel this way, please research the cost of making a game. If you need to pay good programmers expect to pay 70k - 150k, each person for a good one.  that's FOR one programmer. Imagine when you have about 50 of them...

     

    Now the software, lets start 3DS Max, or Maya, or both 5k each... Photoshop, we will be cheap and use the cloud 20 bucks per month , per user, yes I know there is a team license .  A little cheaper, I have one.    The game engine, per seat. Server costs. Each program, you need to use, or have someone make.. They nickel and dime you.. Terrain sculpting tools, Zbrush 800 bucks per user, Mudbox 800 per user...   Over head and rent for a building...  These are some basic needs to run a company to make a game...  You have to license your company... You have taxes to pay, so again, were do you think they are pocketing money here???

     

    I went from a big company to now, running my own game development company, I can tell you the costs rack up... Some games, you don't get your return, I already had that happen with one of our games... We lost money.... So please research before you assume this./

     

    /cheers.

    you are right up to a point, your case is highly dependent on what kind of game you are making, how the market is for that kind of game, whether your game is different enough from the herd.   i don't think you can compare trion to say a small developer just starting out though, trion shouldn't be taking hits from software costs.

    depending on where you live you can also make up for those costs, i don't know where you live but in the US most of those costs can be written off as business expenses and depending on where you are in the USthose taxes can be written off entirely such as where i live, kansas.  if you are an LLC in kansas, you don't have to pay state taxes.   there are so many ways for companies to reduce costs, its almost absurd, i'd say absurd to the point of hurting the state and country.

    of course that takes a lot of work to figure out, at least in the US, with the maze of messed up tax code we have, but if you know it or have someone who does, it's not as dire as it seems.  

    guess that is why game designers don't run game companies anymore, because you need to know these things.  also those who get degrees in business accept the social darwinism inherent in running a business, while those who don't, well struggle with it.

    this alpha sale thing is social darwinism at it's finest, companies look for anything to keep them going, even exploitative ways to make more money.  i consider this an awful idea, mostly because it's just feeding off the enthusiasm of a player base you want to buy the game,for a few more bucks in the short term while possibly harming you and the player base in the long term.  then again if this crap fails that is social darwinism as well,  and trion just got filtered out.

  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,401
    Originally posted by An4thor
    Originally posted by delete5230
    Originally posted by An4thor
    Pointless thread is pointless..there are other 123124 threads about the same thing do some researches.

    Do they talk about the other 200 Asian games not charging $150 ?

    and what's your point? Leaving aside that most Asian games are garbage; who is forcing you to pay 250$ for an alpha access. Wait for release.

     

    Archage is a game made by korean devolopers.

    Korea is in asia.

    Archage is a asian game.

    Archage is garbage.

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  • RamanadjinnRamanadjinn Member UncommonPosts: 1,365
    Originally posted by DeserttFoxx
    Originally posted by An4thor
    Originally posted by delete5230
    Originally posted by An4thor
    Pointless thread is pointless..there are other 123124 threads about the same thing do some researches.

    Do they talk about the other 200 Asian games not charging $150 ?

    and what's your point? Leaving aside that most Asian games are garbage; who is forcing you to pay 250$ for an alpha access. Wait for release.

     

    Archage is a game made by korean devolopers.

    Korea is in asia.

    Archage is a asian game.

    Archage is garbage.

     

    Thats funny.  I kind of do the same mental checklist for american games.

    Like if there was a new game with a big IP named say, Old Scroll Online coming out i'd be like.

    Old Scroll Online is a game made by western developers.

    Old Scroll Online is in the US

    Old Scroll Online is a western game

    Old Scroll Online is a generic cashgrab MMO

    Old Scroll Online is garbage

     

    I'm not trying to bash any game in particular.  But if someone doesn't notice how stale the western market has become with all the "me too" games, they haven't been paying attention the past decade.  The only innovative games we get are by super low budget developers that don't really have the funds or skill to build their vision properly.

    At least games from eastern developers are doing new and different things.  The asian market has its issues and asian developers do tend to do things that drive me crazy.  But I can't pretend for a second that we've been doing things any better here in the west.

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