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Advertising Standards Authority bars EA from advertising Dungeon Keepers as "Free To Play"

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  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Member UncommonPosts: 214
    Originally posted by Stammerer

    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    You guys can't possibly be that ignorant. Its either a private business funded by its profits. Or its funded by taxpayers...which makes it a govt agency. Which is it?

    It is a non-regulatory organisation funded by the advertising industry to effectively self-police; so it is nearer the former than the latter.  

    How many times....

     

    Infinite...a levy is a tax. The government levys taxes to pay for as a. Its a government agency. Or do you have a different definition for levy? Does some other instiuion have the authority to tax?
  • StammererStammerer Member Posts: 44

    One more time, it is not the British Government.  The government has done nothing.  

    The ASA is self-regulation by the advertising industry just as the PCC is self-regulation by the free press.  It is nothing to do with the government- in fact it is designed for the very purpose of avoiding interference from the government.  

    Why is this so difficult to understand? 

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

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  • neobahamut20neobahamut20 Member Posts: 336
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    You guys can't possibly be that ignorant. Its either a private business funded by its profits. Or its funded by taxpayers...which makes it a govt agency. Which is it?

    That's like arguing that the CBC in Canada is a government agency because its partially funded by the taxpayers (leftover policy form the great depression).

    You tried to use the "poor babies cant survive without governement holding your hand" card and it backfired...let it go ;)

    Hi, Canadian here, the CBC is a crown corporation. That definition allows them to sell advertisements to make more money.

    Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Member UncommonPosts: 214
    Its funded by taxes. Taxes the government enforces. The company doesn't produce anything nor does it provide a service for money. So it relies on taxes enforced by the government to exist.
  • neobahamut20neobahamut20 Member Posts: 336
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    You guys can't possibly be that ignorant. Its either a private business funded by its profits. Or its funded by taxpayers...which makes it a govt agency. Which is it?

    That's like arguing that the CBC in Canada is a government agency because its partially funded by the taxpayers (leftover policy form the great depression).

    You tried to use the "poor babies cant survive without governement holding your hand" card and it backfired...let it go ;)

    Hi, Canadian here, the CBC is a crown corporation. That definition allows them to sell advertisements to make more money.

    I know and already said that (read: partially funded by taxpayers). My point is, even though that is the case, it is by no means a "governemnt agency"

  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Free to the new generation is what they think the world is cause most have not had to work for anything or if they have they have been told that is because they are oppressed.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    That is weird neobahamut20...I play the game for free. Was playing it earlier today...will play it again tonight.
  • StammererStammerer Member Posts: 44
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Its funded by taxes. Taxes the government enforces. The company doesn't produce anything nor does it provide a service for money. So it relies on taxes enforced by the government to exist.

    No it is not.  It is self-regulation within the advertising industry.  It is funded by the advertising industry.  

    Stop talking about things you clearly have no comprehension of.  

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Or free to try out..

    Thats exactly like a car dealership advratising "Free to use"  cars.......yet when you get there, you find out that you can only drive it to the exit of the lot for free, but if you want to leave the lot, you have to pay. I understand paying extra if you want to have air conditioning, power windows etc etc, but if they advratise "free to use" cars, you should be able to use the car for more than a tiny demo...

    Anyone arguing that having a restritive paywall is "still free the play, because you played free, even though it was for a small amount of time", means you also think game demos are free to play game as well. With that said, WoW is free to play as well......these arnt slippery sloap arguments, they are 1 to 1 exact comparion examples....

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by Horusra
    That is weird neobahamut20...I play the game for free. Was playing it earlier today...will play it again tonight.

    His ruling is it isn'r free enough, because you can't play without stopping. I disagree, as I can still play ther game for free, as was advertised. It never said how much of the game was free. It just said you can play the game for free, which anyone can.

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  • neobahamut20neobahamut20 Member Posts: 336
    Originally posted by Horusra
    That is weird neobahamut20...I play the game for free. Was playing it earlier today...will play it again tonight.

    But for how long?

    Are you free to play as long as you want or will you be playwalled/timegated?

    Would everyone to whom the advertisements were shown be able to play as long as they want, unimpeded?

    How far into the game are you? The ASA clearly says that it is later in the game that causes issue with the term free to play.

    Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Or free to try out..

    Thats exactly like a car dealership advratising "Free to use"  cars.......yet when you get there, you find out that you can only drive it to the exit of the lot for free, but if you want to leave the lot, you have to pay. I understand paying extra if you want to have air conditioning, power windows etc etc, but if they advratise "free to use" cars, you should be able to use the car for more than a tiny demo...

    Anyone arguing that having a restritive paywall is "still free the play, because you played free, even though it was for a small amount of time", means you also think game demos are free to play game as well. With that said, WoW is free to play as well......these arnt slippery sloap arguments, they are 1 to 1 exact comparion examples....

    Yes, those are free to play games. If you look at the WoW Advertisement, it clearly says, word for word "Free to play to level 20" As such, even blizzard claims it as free to play.

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  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Member UncommonPosts: 214
    So I guess the post office...dea....epa...FBI are all private companies because they sell things to make money on top of being funded by taxes. If this asa where to go into negative profits it would be propped up by tax money.... That makes it 100% a govt agency.
  • StammererStammerer Member Posts: 44
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    So I guess the post office...dea....epa...FBI are all private companies because they sell things to make money on top of being funded by taxes. If this asa where to go into negative profits it would be propped up by tax money.... That makes it 100% a govt agency.

    There are no taxes at all.  How many different ways can I tell you this? None of it is funded by taxes- NOTHING, not one bit.  

    It is funded by the advertising industry to self-regulate.  Just the same way that many other professional bodies are funded. 

  • neobahamut20neobahamut20 Member Posts: 336
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by Horusra
    That is weird neobahamut20...I play the game for free. Was playing it earlier today...will play it again tonight.

    His ruling is it isn'r free enough, because you can't play without stopping. I disagree, as I can still play ther game for free, as was advertised. It never said how much of the game was free. It just said you can play the game for free, which anyone can.

    Then it is not free to play. It is gratis with restrictions, which you can pay to have removed.

    Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by Horusra
    That is weird neobahamut20...I play the game for free. Was playing it earlier today...will play it again tonight.

    His ruling is it isn'r free enough, because you can't play without stopping. I disagree, as I can still play ther game for free, as was advertised. It never said how much of the game was free. It just said you can play the game for free, which anyone can.

    Then it is not free to play. It is gratis with restrictions, which you can pay to have removed.

    grat·is

     

    ?gratis/

     

     

    adverb

     

    adverb: gratis

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without charge; free.

       

      "a monthly program was issued gratis"

       

      synonyms: free, free of charge, without charge, for nothing, at no cost, gratuitously; More
      informalon the house, for free

       

      "the room was provided gratis, courtesy of the casino"

       

     

    adjective

     

    adjective: gratis

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      given or done for nothing; free.

       

      "gratis copies"

     

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  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Or free to try out..

    Thats exactly like a car dealership advratising "Free to use"  cars.......yet when you get there, you find out that you can only drive it to the exit of the lot for free, but if you want to leave the lot, you have to pay. I understand paying extra if you want to have air conditioning, power windows etc etc, but if they advratise "free to use" cars, you should be able to use the car for more than a tiny demo...

    Anyone arguing that having a restritive paywall is "still free the play, because you played free, even though it was for a small amount of time", means you also think game demos are free to play game as well. With that said, WoW is free to play as well......these arnt slippery sloap arguments, they are 1 to 1 exact comparion examples....

    Yes, those are free to play games. If you look at the WoW Advertisement, it clearly says, word for word "Free to play to level 20" As such, even blizzard claims it as free to play.

    Exactly, it says "free to play until level 20"....not false advratising...if it just said "free to play", then it would be false advratising......in that scenerio, level 20 is the paywall. In this threads case, the time limit is the pay wall. If the advratisement was "free to play for 30 min (or however long the timer is), it would not be false advratising....

    How is this so hard to comprehend for some.

  • TyggsTyggs Member UncommonPosts: 456
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Or free to try out..

    Thats exactly like a car dealership advratising "Free to use"  cars.......yet when you get there, you find out that you can only drive it to the exit of the lot for free, but if you want to leave the lot, you have to pay. I understand paying extra if you want to have air conditioning, power windows etc etc, but if they advratise "free to use" cars, you should be able to use the car for more than a tiny demo...

    Anyone arguing that having a restritive paywall is "still free the play, because you played free, even though it was for a small amount of time", means you also think game demos are free to play game as well. With that said, WoW is free to play as well......these arnt slippery sloap arguments, they are 1 to 1 exact comparion examples....

    Yes, those are free to play games. If you look at the WoW Advertisement, it clearly says, word for word "Free to play to level 20" As such, even blizzard claims it as free to play.

    Exactly, it says "free to play until level 20"....not false advratising...if it just said "free to play", then it would be false advratising......in that scenerio, level 20 is the paywall. In this threads case, the time limit is the pay wall. If the advratisement was "free to play for 30 min (or however long the timer is), it would not be false advratising....

    How is this so hard to comprehend for some.

    What is difficult to comprehend is you are trying to tell me that a gam I can download and play for free right now is not free to play, because there are restrictions. No restrictions was not advertised, playing for free was. I can play for free.

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  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Member UncommonPosts: 214
    Originally posted by Stammerer

    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    So I guess the post office...dea....epa...FBI are all private companies because they sell things to make money on top of being funded by taxes. If this asa where to go into negative profits it would be propped up by tax money.... That makes it 100% a govt agency.

    There are no taxes at all.  How many different ways can I tell you this? None of it is funded by taxes- NOTHING, not one bit.  

    It is funded by the advertising industry to self-regulate.  Just the same way that many other professional bodies are funded. 

     

    Its funded by voluntary levy paid by the advertisers. Its confusing isn't voulantary levy contradictory. A levy by definition is a tax you must pay or face fines or imprisonment. How is it voluntary then?

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Or free to try out..

    Thats exactly like a car dealership advratising "Free to use"  cars.......yet when you get there, you find out that you can only drive it to the exit of the lot for free, but if you want to leave the lot, you have to pay. I understand paying extra if you want to have air conditioning, power windows etc etc, but if they advratise "free to use" cars, you should be able to use the car for more than a tiny demo...

    Anyone arguing that having a restritive paywall is "still free the play, because you played free, even though it was for a small amount of time", means you also think game demos are free to play game as well. With that said, WoW is free to play as well......these arnt slippery sloap arguments, they are 1 to 1 exact comparion examples....

    Yes, those are free to play games. If you look at the WoW Advertisement, it clearly says, word for word "Free to play to level 20" As such, even blizzard claims it as free to play.

    Exactly, it says "free to play until level 20"....not false advratising...if it just said "free to play", then it would be false advratising......in that scenerio, level 20 is the paywall. In this threads case, the time limit is the pay wall. If the advratisement was "free to play for 30 min (or however long the timer is), it would not be false advratising....

    How is this so hard to comprehend for some.

    What is difficult to comprehend is you are trying to tell me that a gam I can download and play for free right now is not free to play, because there are restrictions. No restrictions was not advertised, playing for free was. I can play for free.

    You tried to "get" me by pointing out that WoW advertises "Free to play until level 20", while all you did was point out the flaw in EA's advertising for DK....

    Blizz lists WoW's paywall in its advert....EA should do the same for DK....you can disagree, but don't act like we are saying that the moon is made out of cheese....

  • StammererStammerer Member Posts: 44
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    So I guess the post office...dea....epa...FBI are all private companies because they sell things to make money on top of being funded by taxes. If this asa where to go into negative profits it would be propped up by tax money.... That makes it 100% a govt agency.

    There are no taxes at all.  How many different ways can I tell you this? None of it is funded by taxes- NOTHING, not one bit.  

    It is funded by the advertising industry to self-regulate.  Just the same way that many other professional bodies are funded. 

     

    Its funded by voluntary levy paid by the advertisers. Its confusing isn't voulantary levy contradictory. A levy by definition is a tax you must pay or face fines or imprisonment. How is it voluntary then?

    To make this simple- if you are a solicitor you will pay fees to the Bar Association, if you are a surveyor you will pay fees to the RICS.  These are professional bodies entirely unrelated to the government (other than acting as a powerful lobby group) which regulate their own industry.  If you are an advertiser you pay the ASA.  

    I would add that it is in everyone's interest to have their professional practice properly regulated, or their professional credentials become meaningless. 

  • Joejc7135Joejc7135 Member UncommonPosts: 214
    Originally posted by Stammerer

    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    So I guess the post office...dea....epa...FBI are all private companies because they sell things to make money on top of being funded by taxes. If this asa where to go into negative profits it would be propped up by tax money.... That makes it 100% a govt agency.

    There are no taxes at all.  How many different ways can I tell you this? None of it is funded by taxes- NOTHING, not one bit.  

    It is funded by the advertising industry to self-regulate.  Just the same way that many other professional bodies are funded. 

     

    Its funded by voluntary levy paid by the advertisers. Its confusing isn't voulantary levy contradictory. A levy by definition is a tax you must pay or face fines or imprisonment. How is it voluntary then?

    To make this simple- if you are a solicitor you will pay fees to the Bar Association, if you are a surveyor you will pay fees to the RICS.  These are professional bodies entirely unrelated to the government (other than acting as a powerful lobby group) which regulate their own industry.  If you are an advertiser you pay the ASA.  

     

    Thanks I understand it now. Basically companies work together to police themselves. The only part I have issue with is their power to "refer" you to trading standards if you don't play ball. Its very close to what I would consider ideal...the whole threat of government action ruins everything though.
  • neobahamut20neobahamut20 Member Posts: 336
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by neobahamut20
    Originally posted by Tyggs
    Originally posted by doodphace
    Originally posted by Joejc7135
    Originally posted by Stammerer
    Originally posted by Horusra
    Frankly pretty sad a government feels the need to step in on this issue where there is no clear abuse of a customer. You get in the door for free, so you are out nothing. You play the game and find that you have to wait on a timer for one part of the game, but still you are out nothing. People that do not like it will leave without loss and if there are enough of these type of people then the game dies. I would prefer the government going after stuff where there is actual harm. People are to willing to let government in to "protect" them.

    The ASA is not a government department, nor funded by them- it is funded by levies on advertising- and it is doing its job to prevent misleading ads....

     

    Hmmm the government is funded by taxes. Levies are taxes enforced by the government. Therefore its a government agency.

    Thats quite a leap for someone arguing that a time playwall is still free to play....

    If you can play a game for free, how is it not free to play?

     

    Because you do not have the freedom to play it as long as you want, when you want, without paying. Free is much more than gratis. Welcome to the English language.

    So it isn't free enough? .... I am baffled at the entitlement.

     

    adverb

    adverb: free

    1.  

      1.

       

       

      without cost or payment.

       

      "ladies were admitted free"

       

      synonyms: without charge, free of charge, for nothing; More
      complimentary, gratis;

       

      informalfor free, on the house

      "admission is free"

       
    2.  

      2.

       

       

      Sailing

       

      with the sheets eased.

     

     

    Without cost is defined as free. You can play without cost.

    Stop playing stupid, free also includes the following:

     

    not physically restrained, obstructed, or fixed; unimpeded.

     

    A playwall is definitely not free. They should say free to download and install, but it is clearly not free to play.

    Or free to try out..

    Thats exactly like a car dealership advratising "Free to use"  cars.......yet when you get there, you find out that you can only drive it to the exit of the lot for free, but if you want to leave the lot, you have to pay. I understand paying extra if you want to have air conditioning, power windows etc etc, but if they advratise "free to use" cars, you should be able to use the car for more than a tiny demo...

    Anyone arguing that having a restritive paywall is "still free the play, because you played free, even though it was for a small amount of time", means you also think game demos are free to play game as well. With that said, WoW is free to play as well......these arnt slippery sloap arguments, they are 1 to 1 exact comparion examples....

    Yes, those are free to play games. If you look at the WoW Advertisement, it clearly says, word for word "Free to play to level 20" As such, even blizzard claims it as free to play.

    And Blizzard wouldn't be rejected since you can play for free until level 20 and you arnt block upon reaching 20, only your progress is stalled, but if they would say only "free to play" and then would paygate at level 20, they would have been told to change that. And after filing complaints on Blizzard myself for other regulations, they don't even try to swerve around it and only fix what the complaint tells them to fix (once accepted). Its a shame my kid is too young to be able to play a game like GW2 or I'd have had criminal charges on them just because why not? (there is gambling for dyes/items in their game, which is a criminal offense to offer that to minors)

    Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

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