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  • Mordeth123Mordeth123 Member Posts: 15
    Originally posted by lifeordinary

    PC gamer gave it 5/10 too.

    In before how Angry Joe didn't get paid enough.

    Has no integrity.

    Just one mans opinion.

    He didn't play it enough and is looking for attention

    He played it wrong.

    He is (X games) fanboy

    Who is angry joe and why should i care?

    Anyone can make youtube account and be a critic (well do it yourself then).

    He has a moustache so his opinion is invalid.

    And so on....

     

    Did i miss anything?

     

    I had to dig up my old MMORPG account to reply to this post, but ended up in another part of the forum after. But now I'm back here, and just have to say you owe me a new keyboard. Luckily  I was using a spare keyboard as I was testing my main keyboard for something on my laptop. Apparently coffee and keyboards don't mix, who knew :)

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,018
    Originally posted by Arthasm
    Ok, this is second review I ever watched from AJ. 1st one was about GW2. No way this game sux more than GW2, makes me wonder how much Anet payed him to do review for GW2...

    you either didnt play GW2 or havent played ESO. With time im sure Zenimax will fix ESO just like every mmo company do, but right now is the most flawed mmo out there. Its only a month old so give it some time but if you cant see how much it sucks in its current state then i dont know what to say to you. I like it, and i want to play it, but im not blind and my money has value. They will definitelly get my money..... when they fix their product.





  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,125
    When GW 2 was released the recent topics on this forum was filled for about a month with almost every second  thread on GW 2 .I notice ESO has dwindled much faster in number of threads in comparison to GW2. GW2 also had its fair share of hate but it kept its popularity longer on these forums because I suspect more people were playing it. ESO has lost ground much faster.

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,018
    Originally posted by kitarad
    When GW 2 was released the recent topics on this forum was filled for about a month with almost every second  thread on GW 2 .I notice ESO has dwindled much faster in number of threads in comparison to GW2. GW2 also had its fair share of hate but it kept its popularity longer on these forums because I suspect more people were playing it. ESO has lost ground much faster.

    for obvious reasons, unfortunately. Shady cash grab practices even before launch on top of some bad game designs and screw up of simple mmo features. And poor communication with the community.





  • PanzerbasePanzerbase Member Posts: 423
    Originally posted by kitarad
    When GW 2 was released the recent topics on this forum was filled for about a month with almost every second  thread on GW 2 .I notice ESO has dwindled much faster in number of threads in comparison to GW2. GW2 also had its fair share of hate but it kept its popularity longer on these forums because I suspect more people were playing it. ESO has lost ground much faster.

    Indeed, the game is tanking hard, FTP or some other payment model is coming soon. How they managed to botch this series is beyond me. Well I guess AA or WS are in the box now, I'll see how they play out.

  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,350

    If there is one thing that pisses me off its the people who think this isn't elder scrolls. IDC if you hate the game, but it is ES through and through. I find more similarities to Morrowind than the other games. Morrowind never scaled levels or had the whole world available to you right from the start. Oblivion had this and it sucked. You could do the story quest only and be level 9 upon completing it. The most epic enemy you ever faced was probably a dremora, while most of the enemies were scamps. Holy epicness!!!

     

    Skyrim was amazing, but you can't expect an mmo to capture the feeling Skyrim gave. (though it would be great).

     

    FFXIV was an mmo and played nothing like FF games do and that game is doing well for itself. People need to undersand, it is ES themed MMO, review it based on that alone.

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  • dxsaoshidxsaoshi Member Posts: 18
    Originally posted by JDis25

    If there is one thing that pisses me off its the people who think this isn't elder scrolls. IDC if you hate the game, but it is ES through and through. I find more similarities to Morrowind than the other games. Morrowind never scaled levels or had the whole world available to you right from the start. Oblivion had this and it sucked. You could do the story quest only and be level 9 upon completing it. The most epic enemy you ever faced was probably a dremora, while most of the enemies were scamps. Holy epicness!!!

     

    Skyrim was amazing, but you can't expect an mmo to capture the feeling Skyrim gave. (though it would be great).

     

    FFXIV was an mmo and played nothing like FF games do and that game is doing well for itself. People need to undersand, it is ES themed MMO, review it based on that alone.

    FFXIV plays like a better version of FFXI so you're wrong there bud. But skyrim was way better than this game and morrowind had way more freedom. Wish this game was not called elder scrolls then it could have done better since people would not be comparing the two games.

     

    Hope it gets better though like DAoC rvr better. Once it reaches that caliber I'll resub to it. And i know it'll probably happen in the future just hope it's before Archeage comes out.

  • KyngBillsKyngBills Member UncommonPosts: 452
    I usually take online and Youtube reviews with a grain of salt...But while watching AngryJoe's review I found myself agreeing with just about everything he said and being entertained at the same time...Dude was spot-on and thorough in my opinion...The only thing I can say I did not agree 100% about was the graphics (I actually love the look of the game) and that's not a big thing overall...I think 5/10 is just about perfect...
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Panzerbase
    Originally posted by kitarad
    When GW 2 was released the recent topics on this forum was filled for about a month with almost every second  thread on GW 2 .I notice ESO has dwindled much faster in number of threads in comparison to GW2. GW2 also had its fair share of hate but it kept its popularity longer on these forums because I suspect more people were playing it. ESO has lost ground much faster.

    Indeed, the game is tanking hard, FTP or some other payment model is coming soon. How they managed to botch this series is beyond me. Well I guess AA or WS are in the box now, I'll see how they play out.

    It is not that strange. For PvE they tried to make both Skyrim and regular MMO players happy which mean the game is far more soloing than most other MMOs with phasing and similar mechanics. But Skyrim fans still prefer Skyrim because it does what it should perfectly in a way you can't in a massive game. MMO fans on the other hand are usually more social and gets annoyed because they can't play with their friends and because the dungeon experience just isn't what MMO players (at least most of us) want.

    PvP is better done as Joe say, but with the bugs and the lack of DaoC styled meaning $15 a month just doesn't seem like a great deal for most of us, there are other games with similar or better gameplay that is B2P.

    While ESO have plenty of dungeons they don't really feel like MMO dungeons which also annoy many MMOers.

    A big part of the problem compared to GW2 is that ESO is released way too early if you compare them. GW2 was also a bit early but after a month it was in good shape (trying to do places like Iron marches the first few weeks were just annoying) while ESO still is buggy and perform badly for at least some players.

    People might have been a lot more forgiving about the PvE if they had released the game 3 months later and had it running  perfectly at launch.

    P2P also increases how good a game needs to be to keep the subs. If a B2P game is buggy it is far less annoying to wait a month for the game to be fixed (it still is annoying but nowhere near as bad).

    ESO do have some fans still who enjoy it though so it isn't all bad but I don't see any other way for it than either F2P or a FF styled re-release unless they want a sub number around 250K players or so. 

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by KyngBills
    I usually take online and Youtube reviews with a grain of salt...But while watching AngryJoe's review I found myself agreeing with just about everything he said and being entertained at the same time...Dude was spot-on and thorough in my opinion...The only thing I can say I did not agree 100% about was the graphics (I actually love the look of the game) and that's not a big thing overall...I think 5/10 is just about perfect...

    Angry Joe isn't just any guy making a youtube video at home, he do run a pretty large review-site and while far from everyone like him he do have plenty of watchers and I do usually agree with him (even if he can be a jerk sometimes).

  • KyngBillsKyngBills Member UncommonPosts: 452
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by KyngBills
    I usually take online and Youtube reviews with a grain of salt...But while watching AngryJoe's review I found myself agreeing with just about everything he said and being entertained at the same time...Dude was spot-on and thorough in my opinion...The only thing I can say I did not agree 100% about was the graphics (I actually love the look of the game) and that's not a big thing overall...I think 5/10 is just about perfect...

    Angry Joe isn't just any guy making a youtube video at home, he do run a pretty large review-site and while far from everyone like him he do have plenty of watchers and I do usually agree with him (even if he can be a jerk sometimes).

    Ya...This was my first time watching him and I came way impressed and entertained...I'm just never been much of a YouTube review kind of MMO gamer, even though I started playing MMO's with SWG in 2003...But I'll watch him again for sure...Hopefully before I pay next time...lol

  • uggeh12uggeh12 Member UncommonPosts: 44
    Originally posted by kitarad
    When GW 2 was released the recent topics on this forum was filled for about a month with almost every second  thread on GW 2 .I notice ESO has dwindled much faster in number of threads in comparison to GW2. GW2 also had its fair share of hate but it kept its popularity longer on these forums because I suspect more people were playing it. ESO has lost ground much faster.

    I like to use Twitch.tv as a way of telling how well a game is or isn't doing for the first few months after release and it's been pretty grim for ESO. ESO lost most of the big name streamers after about 1-2 weeks and then slowly bled off the majority of the remaining 3-5 weeks after release. According to http://twitchstats.net/ the game started strong with 22k viewers on release day then averaged about 3-5k viewers for the next week or two and then dropped off to about 1k viewers and at the time of this posting is sitting at about 280ish viewers(about 150 viewers less than GW2 atm). Since ESO's release it has been steadily hemorrhaging both streamers and viewers on Twitch and I think is a pretty good indicator of the games health population wise.

  • CthulhuPuffsCthulhuPuffs Member UncommonPosts: 368
    Originally posted by nightbird305

    Angry Joe uploaded his review of ESO to Youtube. PVE got a 4/10 while PVP got a 7/10,  and he gave the game as a whole a score of 5/10, painfully average.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3B26h12C4

    "Around every corner is a new opportunity the game screws the f*** up"

    LMAO!

    I totally agree with his review though Im surprised he gave it a 5/10. Id say 4/10 at the most.

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  • MothanosMothanos Member UncommonPosts: 1,910

    Thing is that he might over react and tells his story with drama.
    Thats his style, so you like it or you dont :P

    What he does say in his revieuw about ESO are also fundamental game mechanics that has major flaws and are not easy to patch...if it even can be patches...

    To each his own style and his own preference of mmo's.
    To me ESO was fun up to level 50, from there on it became a boring do this do that for way to long.
    I wanted to pvp, compete with the best but needed to grind 2 complete factions i had no desire of doing...
    I also like alts, wich is another major drawback (why not gave complete freedom of skill choice to make your OWN class ? )
    You are not going to level an alt trough the same boring grind again.

    This is not even speaking about leveling with a buddy due to phasing
    This is not about a bugged quest that stopped your progression
    This is not about weapon swap delay
    This is not about lag in both pve and Cyrodiil
    This is not about no european servers who were promised to be there 2 weeks post launch.
    This is not about my 1st class the Nightblade who is still not fixed 2 months post launch
    And i could continue with shit like that for quite some time....
    Most of this crap will get fixed !

    ESO had 1 chanse to pull in the masses and keep those players bound to Zenimax.
    But so many people left disapointed and most wont ever come back...

    Does ESO has good stuff ? aye it has...but by no means does it offer something other mmo's do not.
    This mmo should have done stuff no other mmo has done, but Zenimax delivered nothing special and played it safe...

    Their communication is fubar....
    We understand new mmo's suffer from launchdays / week.
    But come on....a few words go a long way...

    In the end i think ESO is not going to make it as a subscription game as it offers to little for a to high price.
    Toss in the dredfull solo expirience for 250 hours trough alot of boring questing before reaching endgame or pvp and you can see that Zenimax might have a big problem on their hands.

    Not to mention Wildstar / Archeage / Warlords of Dreanor that are comming out in the following weeks / months.


    I think Angry Joe made solid points and dint trash it into the ground becuase he hated this mmo....he is still playing ESO but he is just disapointed like many of us.

  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,253

    gotta agreed with joe.

    average game without soul.

  • HorrorScopeHorrorScope Member UncommonPosts: 599
    Originally posted by Crazy_Stick
    I found it to be a spot on review. I would have given PVE a 3/10 right now and PVP a 6/10 but it's all popcorn chat in the end as we are quibbling over one rating point in each case.  It's a painfully average game that will get a ton fo flack for failing to be great and live up to the original license.

     

    Yeah I just watched the first 15 minutes and it seemed spot on to what I witnessed in beta. He goes over the money grab and then hammers the phasing/grouping/zerging issues. In my case my opinion was even stronger and I was more right than Joe. I never purchased it, the group phasing is a total deal breaker and he couldn't explain it any better than he did. What he said there is DITTO on my end, every point and every emotion.

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593
    The thing is this game is pretty good, for a GW 1 type instanced game with carefully limited number of people in each zone/dungeon etc. However they thought they could turn it into an MMO and that is where it failed. 
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by Yamota
    The thing is this game is pretty good, for a GW 1 type instanced game with carefully limited number of people in each zone/dungeon etc. However they thought they could turn it into an MMO and that is where it failed. 

    Even with limited number of players the dungeons just wouldn't work. In the open world, maybe but the dungeons would still need to be way more interesting.

    Anyways, it is too late for that, but if they get rid of most of the phasing they could still make the open world PvE way more fun and useful and while that also would take some work it can be done.

    Also, they really should rework the VR levels, and there is really no use to have the same character run over the 2 other factions zones. 

    As for the dungeons, I would just leave the current ones as they are and make a few more classic MMO dungeons for groups. Fixing the ones around would take years while adding a few epic dungeons could be done way faster.

    It do seems like they made many compromises between classic MMO and TES content, but compromises rarely makes people happy. The game can still be fixed though, FFXIV was after all and it turned out fine but the question is if Zenimax will care.

  • WrenderWrender Member Posts: 1,386

    And here is another opinion (mine) that won't matter either as todays game players have no clue.

    I for one love this game. It has been the best experience for me in an MMO in a very long time. It feels so good to feel like a noob again as eso's learning curve is quite pleasantly a bit steep.

    I like the game so much actually that I have bought 3 of my long time rl friends a copy as well and we are all having a blast playing together and actually discovering innovative ways of helping each other out. Was in BETA and have been subscribed since launch. We all have numerous characters and all in their mid 20's levelwise. People who rip through game content and never even try to get into the immersion or read any of the lore or listen through any npc conversations will always totally miss the point of living in an alternate world and will never be satisfied with any game ever. Especially an MMO. And this is the reason MMO's fail to please modern day gamers. Although todays game developers are not concerned with quality gameplay mechanics like they once were and only seek to make money from the ignorant masses. When in all actuality it is mainly the players today that has created this effect due to their lack of imagination in playing MMO's . When players blast through the content the only thing left is constant questing and killing mobs. Of course they are going to complain and be unsatisfied with any game if they play that way.

    Elder Scrolls Online is simply amazing if you take the time to appreciate it for what it delivers.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by Yamota
    The thing is this game is pretty good, for a GW 1 type instanced game with carefully limited number of people in each zone/dungeon etc. However they thought they could turn it into an MMO and that is where it failed. 

    It do seems like they made many compromises between classic MMO and TES content, but compromises rarely makes people happy. The game can still be fixed though, FFXIV was after all and it turned out fine but the question is if Zenimax will care.

    FFXIV was not "fixed", so much as gutted and rebuilt over most of a couple years from the ground up.

    The chances of that happening with ESO are basically nil.

  • AredylAredyl Member Posts: 22
    Originally posted by Burntvet
    Originally posted by Loke666
    Originally posted by Yamota
    The thing is this game is pretty good, for a GW 1 type instanced game with carefully limited number of people in each zone/dungeon etc. However they thought they could turn it into an MMO and that is where it failed. 

    It do seems like they made many compromises between classic MMO and TES content, but compromises rarely makes people happy. The game can still be fixed though, FFXIV was after all and it turned out fine but the question is if Zenimax will care.

    FFXIV was not "fixed", so much as gutted and rebuilt over most of a couple years from the ground up.

    The chances of that happening with ESO are basically nil.

    I doubt they'll shut down the servers and spend 2 years rebuilding the game (after spending 6+ to begin with), especially since its Zenimax and not Bethesda or SquareEnix.

    Honestly, if this game did not carry the ESO title, it might have received better reviews, but at the same time, flew under the radar.  Its not a bad game - its just a very generic, average, roller-coaster MMO.

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    After the imperial stuff I decided to skip the ESO launch and canceled my pre order. Seems like I missed a bullet there.

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  • yaminsuxyaminsux Member UncommonPosts: 973
    Who cares about review, especially when you are having fun.

    I did, so does my nephews. We play a lot too. One thing people tend to neglect is the fact of you can customise your toon in a lot of ways (it could be classless though) and focused on how it's not skyrim.

    Reviews are total waste of time and most are conform to the "popular" views (which pretty much killed games before they can change things).
  • CleverjackCleverjack Member UncommonPosts: 72
    Originally posted by Rusque

    To put thing into perspective:

    Angry Joe gave GW2 a perfect 10 (legendary!)

    Witcher 2 got an 8.

    Dragon Age 2 got a 7!!!  Say what you will about ESO, it's easily miles better than the travesty that was DA2. On top of that, how does Witcher 2 only get a single point higher than DA2? Really, they're not even on the same planet.

     

    Has he really only reviewed 2 MMO's? Does this guy even play MMO's?

     

    I've always enjoyed Angry joe's reviews both movies and video games. I agree with his tastes and so when looking into new games I check to see if he has a review on it. Honestly his original review of ESO is why I even tried the beta and eventually bought the game. I agree with him still. Te game deserves the score it got. An mmo isn't a single player affair. Its nice if you can tackle pve content solo, but it shouldn't be intentionally solo player. I don't even think the pvp is that great to be honest. You're mostly zerging if you want to face any of the other factions. Eso was a massive disappointment.

    P.S. Dragon Age 2 was a great game. Excellent combat and a wonderful story. Also GW2 was revolutionary and it gave mmoer's new quality of life changes that were missing from the genre for no good reason.

     

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  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    Originally posted by Wrender

    And here is another opinion (mine) that won't matter either as todays game players have no clue.

    /snip

    Elder Scrolls Online is simply amazing if you take the time to appreciate it for what it delivers.

    No, your opinion doesn't matter cause you laid out a bunch of 'I like ESO' statements without providing a single reason why.

    Angry Joe's reviews have facts to backup his statements (bugs/weird design decision etc).

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

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