Originally posted by Scot Why on earth would someone who has played ESO on a PC want to play it on a console? I find the idea quite perverse.
Because ESO is largely designed around being on a console and that is comfortable for many players. Some people enjoy playing their consoles, sitting in a couch and relaxing with what an MMORPG can offer. The game was largely built around a casual audience and consoles are the perfect platform for casual gameplay.
Now you are just trying to be mischievous, there is a lot in TESO for the serious gamer. You can play TESO on a laptop or hybrid tablet if you want to, that way you can sit on a couch if the urge to at least look casual grabs you.
Originally posted by DeadlyneBecause Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this. I remember not too long ago when people were saying WildStar wasn't worth it, and ESO was gonna stomp it. Hm... times have changed. For a "cartoony childs game", it's actually doing pretty well for itself.
I've been thinking of getting ESO, but I think I'll be playing WildStar before that. Maybe in a few months, ESO will be F2P. That way, I don't have to worry about paying for something that will inevitably go F2P.
So did ESO in it's first month. Wildstar will be the same. After month number 2, the Wildstar hype will die like ESO's did.
Not one is better than the other. They just have the bad luck of coming out at the same time.
Both games are great, with yes, Wildstar looking like a looney toons cartoon.
BTW what makes you think Wildstar won't go F2P?
Wrong on multiple levels. Do the research. Read forums. Check places like Xfire, etc. Check Reddit, Twitter, Twitch TV.
Wildstar is stomping Elder Scrolls Online and it is even close right now.
I think ESO did pretty well on bocx sales alone- Easily enough to make it to console release even with dwindling sub base.
And yet not a single official announcement on sales even topping 1 million from the company that is always so quick to point out how great their games sell with actual numbers.......
Hate to break it to you but they would have hit every site with advertisements with a 1 million sales total to keep the hype going what with Wildstar about to be released, or at least done it when Wildstar did release to try to take some of the spotlight away.
Instead, silence and that always comes when something doesn't meet expectations sales wise.
I think ESO did pretty well on bocx sales alone- Easily enough to make it to console release even with dwindling sub base.
And yet not a single official announcement on sales even topping 1 million from the company that is always so quick to point out how great their games sell with actual numbers.......
Hate to break it to you but they would have hit every site with advertisements with a 1 million sales total to keep the hype going what with Wildstar about to be released, or at least done it when Wildstar did release to try to take some of the spotlight away.
Instead, silence and that always comes when something doesn't meet expectations sales wise.
I read a vgchartz article that stated they only sold around 300k copies online, if that is all then sales were very disappointing.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing. PS3
Someone with experience being in retail may very well correct me, but I was under the impression that when you sell physical copies of anything in a store, you are not doing so "on consignment" from the supplier. In other words, you BUY their product at at a discount (usually called the wholesale price), and then usually you are free to sell it for whatever you want, though I believe there might be price guarantees for a while... but this can run into trouble with the govt because anti-trust regulations frown on price-fixing.
There could be "buy-back" provisions if something doesn't sell--I believe magazines are often sold this way, but for other products, it might be less likely.
So, when you see things like "clearance sales", the retailer and not the supplier has decided to sell the product for a cut-rate price in order to clear inventory, because a store cannot afford to have product just sit and not move. If they are lucky, they might be able to get their cost back, but at that point, they might not care--they just want to be rid of it and get a little something out of it.
So, in my mind, if Walmart, Best Buy, or Amazon are cutting the price in half, it's probably because that was about the wholesale price they paid for it, and want to clear inventory--and not because Zenimax is "having a sale". If Zenimax were having a sale, then Amazon's price for the digital copy would have dropped too, and it's still at the full $60 price.
Because Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this. I remember not too long ago when people were saying WildStar wasn't worth it, and ESO was gonna stomp it. Hm... times have changed. For a "cartoony childs game", it's actually doing pretty well for itself.
I've been thinking of getting ESO, but I think I'll be playing WildStar before that. Maybe in a few months, ESO will be F2P. That way, I don't have to worry about paying for something that will inevitably go F2P.
No. Not really, The people playing games like ESO is not the same that play WS where 90% of the playerbase come from WoW and gonna quit to play the next WoW xpac.
Someone with experience being in retail may very well correct me, but I was under the impression that when you sell physical copies of anything in a store, you are not doing so "on consignment" from the supplier. In other words, you BUY their product at at a discount (usually called the wholesale price), and then usually you are free to sell it for whatever you want, though I believe there might be price guarantees for a while... but this can run into trouble with the govt because anti-trust regulations frown on price-fixing.
There could be "buy-back" provisions if something doesn't sell--I believe magazines are often sold this way, but for other products, it might be less likely.
So, when you see things like "clearance sales", the retailer and not the supplier has decided to sell the product for a cut-rate price in order to clear inventory, because a store cannot afford to have product just sit and not move. If they are lucky, they might be able to get their cost back, but at that point, they might not care--they just want to be rid of it and get a little something out of it.
So, in my mind, if Walmart, Best Buy, or Amazon are cutting the price in half, it's probably because that was about the wholesale price they paid for it, and want to clear inventory--and not because Zenimax is "having a sale". If Zenimax were having a sale, then Amazon's price for the digital copy would have dropped too, and it's still at the full $60 price.
If so, then it means that ESO's sales figures are even worse than was expecting, as sales to retailers would also count as 'box sales' and if those boxes are still sitting on shelves even at a reduced price, then that is going to hurt, particularly so if a large online retailer like Amazon, is still unable to sell them at the 'reduced' price. Currently Amazon is selling ESO for £20 and if their not shifting at that price, then Zenimax might have a problem when some of these larger retailers decide they want their money back.
Just checked, Amazon is not selling the digital copy of the game in the UK.
Because Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this.
This^
You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.
This is it right here
People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days. Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.
Because Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this.
This^
You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.
This is it right here
People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days. Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.
I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm
Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price.
Someone with experience being in retail may very well correct me, but I was under the impression that when you sell physical copies of anything in a store, you are not doing so "on consignment" from the supplier. In other words, you BUY their product at at a discount (usually called the wholesale price), and then usually you are free to sell it for whatever you want, though I believe there might be price guarantees for a while... but this can run into trouble with the govt because anti-trust regulations frown on price-fixing.
There could be "buy-back" provisions if something doesn't sell--I believe magazines are often sold this way, but for other products, it might be less likely.
So, when you see things like "clearance sales", the retailer and not the supplier has decided to sell the product for a cut-rate price in order to clear inventory, because a store cannot afford to have product just sit and not move. If they are lucky, they might be able to get their cost back, but at that point, they might not care--they just want to be rid of it and get a little something out of it.
So, in my mind, if Walmart, Best Buy, or Amazon are cutting the price in half, it's probably because that was about the wholesale price they paid for it, and want to clear inventory--and not because Zenimax is "having a sale". If Zenimax were having a sale, then Amazon's price for the digital copy would have dropped too, and it's still at the full $60 price.
If so, then it means that ESO's sales figures are even worse than was expecting, as sales to retailers would also count as 'box sales' and if those boxes are still sitting on shelves even at a reduced price, then that is going to hurt, particularly so if a large online retailer like Amazon, is still unable to sell them at the 'reduced' price. Currently Amazon is selling ESO for £20 and if their not shifting at that price, then Zenimax might have a problem when some of these larger retailers decide they want their money back.
Just checked, Amazon is not selling the digital copy of the game in the UK.
Zhiroc you are correct. "Sale or return" deals rarely make sense these days. (If interested the key phrase is Supply Chain Logistics.)
Phry the phrase you are looking for is "through sales". Although we don't actually have any sales numbers for TESO (vgchartz numbers are a guess). Through sales is what is usually announced.
Zenimax and Amazon will have done a deal. Amazon will have bought so many copies at some price. Possibly a tiered price based on a) how many copies Amazon takes; b) how well the game is expected to sell; and, maybe, c) how well the game sells.
So -
Zenimax get money in the bank and the benefit of Amazon pushing the product. It is then up to Amazon to sell enough copies of the game at some price to recover what they paid, cover their costs and - if they do it right, make a profit. The price we pay of course will usually include tax.
Different retailers will do different deals and some may opt to sell the game for less on day 1 hoping that the extra sales make up for the lower price.
Retailers reduce their prices over time because it costs money to store stock: warehouse space; keeping them warm and dry; security etc.
If a game sells really well the studio may produce extra copies and decide to sell the game for less - as happened with Skyrim. The reduction was actually in the price retailers paid - who then passed the price reduction on to end customers.
Because Wildstar just came out. Now there is some real competition.
Pretty much this. I remember not too long ago when people were saying WildStar wasn't worth it, and ESO was gonna stomp it. Hm... times have changed. For a "cartoony childs game", it's actually doing pretty well for itself.
I've been thinking of getting ESO, but I think I'll be playing WildStar before that. Maybe in a few months, ESO will be F2P. That way, I don't have to worry about paying for something that will inevitably go F2P.
ESO is not going f2p anytime soon, they still need to cash in on selling console boxes.
You're a smart man.
I predict that about 3 months after console release it will go f2p. Not even being a hater. I thought it was pretty fun up to max....then the veteran ranks hit.......thanks, but I don't want grinding as my endgame. (The leveling kind that is)
I think the price drop represents retailer overhead. Some retailers obviously expected more units to move by this point
Some here have said that some WM BB's selling for 10 while other locals still selling at full price. That tells me in some regions stock has not moved well. The Amazon price point probably represents an aggregate of same over a broader regional/international avg.
EDIT if someone feels truly energetic they could try to get an avg price from all available purchase points. That would tell if their is a universal price drop, a regional one, or conflict between brick & mortar /online outlets
At 9.99 within 2 months of release is a horrible price drop. That is about an 85% drop. Crazy! I see the console version being canceled and the game going f2p pretty quick.
You can pick it up at wallmart for 9 bucks..why pay 30 for it? ESO isn't even worth 30 bucks.
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Might by their best bet to go buy to play now to see if they can even get sales like that. I think the longer they wait, the more likely it will just be free to play or closed.
I think it is obvious they are desperate for sales. The entire letting go of a large staff. Stores trying to clear out their inventory of the hard copy for cheap. And maybe the biggest sign is them trying to get people to buy the PC with a promise to qualify for console transfer hoping to get the console players on now.
Originally posted by junzo316 At 9.99 within 2 months of release is a horrible price drop. That is about an 85% drop. Crazy! I see the console version being canceled and the game going f2p pretty quick.
They'd be crazy to cancel the console versions. What may be a fairly standard or lackluster MMO to PC gamers could still be a great experience to console gamers, just look at Destiny.
What I expect to happen is that, sometime near the end of the year, they'll give another console release date and some beta news to go with it. At or around that same time they'll also announce that they're dropping the subscription fee. I just don't see them going full F2P, not with all the fuss they made about P2P being the right choice for ESO. They'll try to save face by keeping the initial box price.
It's an expensive gamble for them as far as consoles go. The cost of manufacturing and distributing the hard copy disks AND they would, again, have to have an aggressive advertising campaign. If they see the costs as too high for a game no one is playing, it just may be cancelled.
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Now you are just trying to be mischievous, there is a lot in TESO for the serious gamer. You can play TESO on a laptop or hybrid tablet if you want to, that way you can sit on a couch if the urge to at least look casual grabs you.
Wrong on multiple levels. Do the research. Read forums. Check places like Xfire, etc. Check Reddit, Twitter, Twitch TV.
Wildstar is stomping Elder Scrolls Online and it is even close right now.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
its too early to compare - its launch month for WS
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And yet not a single official announcement on sales even topping 1 million from the company that is always so quick to point out how great their games sell with actual numbers.......
Hate to break it to you but they would have hit every site with advertisements with a 1 million sales total to keep the hype going what with Wildstar about to be released, or at least done it when Wildstar did release to try to take some of the spotlight away.
Instead, silence and that always comes when something doesn't meet expectations sales wise.
I read a vgchartz article that stated they only sold around 300k copies online, if that is all then sales were very disappointing.
Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3
Someone with experience being in retail may very well correct me, but I was under the impression that when you sell physical copies of anything in a store, you are not doing so "on consignment" from the supplier. In other words, you BUY their product at at a discount (usually called the wholesale price), and then usually you are free to sell it for whatever you want, though I believe there might be price guarantees for a while... but this can run into trouble with the govt because anti-trust regulations frown on price-fixing.
There could be "buy-back" provisions if something doesn't sell--I believe magazines are often sold this way, but for other products, it might be less likely.
So, when you see things like "clearance sales", the retailer and not the supplier has decided to sell the product for a cut-rate price in order to clear inventory, because a store cannot afford to have product just sit and not move. If they are lucky, they might be able to get their cost back, but at that point, they might not care--they just want to be rid of it and get a little something out of it.
So, in my mind, if Walmart, Best Buy, or Amazon are cutting the price in half, it's probably because that was about the wholesale price they paid for it, and want to clear inventory--and not because Zenimax is "having a sale". If Zenimax were having a sale, then Amazon's price for the digital copy would have dropped too, and it's still at the full $60 price.
This^
You will notice Wildstar massive price drop too when Warlords come out.
No. Not really, The people playing games like ESO is not the same that play WS where 90% of the playerbase come from WoW and gonna quit to play the next WoW xpac.
If so, then it means that ESO's sales figures are even worse than was expecting, as sales to retailers would also count as 'box sales' and if those boxes are still sitting on shelves even at a reduced price, then that is going to hurt, particularly so if a large online retailer like Amazon, is still unable to sell them at the 'reduced' price. Currently Amazon is selling ESO for £20 and if their not shifting at that price, then Zenimax might have a problem when some of these larger retailers decide they want their money back.
Just checked, Amazon is not selling the digital copy of the game in the UK.
This is it right here
People need to be reminded just how powerful Wow is. The same thing happened with GW2. When mist came out the playerbase got alot smaller in days. Alot of people are checking out Wildstar and waiting for the new Wow espansion just like in GW2. Wildstar and ESO will never knock wow off the top of the mount.
I know right? Actually Dino Horde just did the same thing on steam this past weekend. They were offering 95% off! Damn Wildstar is making everyone drop their prices /sarcasm
Let's be honest, ESO is a subscription game, the box price will make a dent in their dev costs, but after launch there really isn't going to be much reason to even have a box price, your focus is obtaining/retaining subscribers. If they were really concerned about people leaving their service for Wildstar they would have dropped their subscription fees, not their box price.
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Zhiroc you are correct. "Sale or return" deals rarely make sense these days. (If interested the key phrase is Supply Chain Logistics.)
Phry the phrase you are looking for is "through sales". Although we don't actually have any sales numbers for TESO (vgchartz numbers are a guess). Through sales is what is usually announced.
Zenimax and Amazon will have done a deal. Amazon will have bought so many copies at some price. Possibly a tiered price based on a) how many copies Amazon takes; b) how well the game is expected to sell; and, maybe, c) how well the game sells.
So -
Zenimax get money in the bank and the benefit of Amazon pushing the product. It is then up to Amazon to sell enough copies of the game at some price to recover what they paid, cover their costs and - if they do it right, make a profit. The price we pay of course will usually include tax.
Different retailers will do different deals and some may opt to sell the game for less on day 1 hoping that the extra sales make up for the lower price.
Retailers reduce their prices over time because it costs money to store stock: warehouse space; keeping them warm and dry; security etc.
If a game sells really well the studio may produce extra copies and decide to sell the game for less - as happened with Skyrim. The reduction was actually in the price retailers paid - who then passed the price reduction on to end customers.
Why is this a bad thing? A sale is always a good thing and brings more people to the game!
Seriously guys, come on! I wouldn't have tried the game if I didn't buy it for $10, and I am glad that I did.
Stop it with all this f2p nonsense.
next stop Free to play.
You're a smart man.
I predict that about 3 months after console release it will go f2p. Not even being a hater. I thought it was pretty fun up to max....then the veteran ranks hit.......thanks, but I don't want grinding as my endgame. (The leveling kind that is)
I think the price drop represents retailer overhead. Some retailers obviously expected more units to move by this point
Some here have said that some WM BB's selling for 10 while other locals still selling at full price. That tells me in some regions stock has not moved well. The Amazon price point probably represents an aggregate of same over a broader regional/international avg.
EDIT if someone feels truly energetic they could try to get an avg price from all available purchase points. That would tell if their is a universal price drop, a regional one, or conflict between brick & mortar /online outlets
the price got lowered b/c it is a subscription based product that no one wants to subscribe to. Seriously.
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Might by their best bet to go buy to play now to see if they can even get sales like that. I think the longer they wait, the more likely it will just be free to play or closed.
I think it is obvious they are desperate for sales. The entire letting go of a large staff. Stores trying to clear out their inventory of the hard copy for cheap. And maybe the biggest sign is them trying to get people to buy the PC with a promise to qualify for console transfer hoping to get the console players on now.
It's an expensive gamble for them as far as consoles go. The cost of manufacturing and distributing the hard copy disks AND they would, again, have to have an aggressive advertising campaign. If they see the costs as too high for a game no one is playing, it just may be cancelled.