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[Column] Star Citizen: Chris Roberts Hates the Media

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  • furbansfurbans Member UncommonPosts: 968

    And this coming from the staff of a website that censors valid negativity of posters on popular new mmos and these posters get banned or warned for trolling when in fact were talking in a very civil yet critical manner, and those that ban em are viewing the game in rose hued glasses.

  • AeonbladesAeonblades Member Posts: 2,083
    Originally posted by furbans

    And this coming from the staff of a website that censors valid negativity of posters on popular new mmos and these posters get banned or warned for trolling when in fact were talking in a very civil yet critical manner, and those that ban em are viewing the game in rose hued glasses.

    But why post constant negativity without suggestions for fixing the problem or also including the good points of a game? I think this is where the line is drawn between needless criticism and truly constructive feedback.

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  • HanthosHanthos Member UncommonPosts: 242
    Originally posted by Maelwydd

    If the media actually reported fact there wouldn't be a problem. But when the 'News' became a money making enterprise it lost any integrity it once may have had. No sympathy for the News industry here. I totally understand Chris's point.

    The 'News' today consists of building stuff up so that you can sell air time on the buzz it creates and then to break it down so you can sell more 'air' time.

    To address the point of your post it doesn't matter what Chris decides to do. All the media cares about is how money can be made from that choice. All I care about is if the game is fun and enjoyable. So whatever choice is made is fine by me.

    I couldn't agree more. Media, of all types these days, have more of a fascination with themselves and place their prominence above what they claim to be 'reporting' on. I don't blame CR one bit and hope that he keeps calling it as he see's it.

  • SevalaSevala Member UncommonPosts: 220
    Originally posted by furbans

    And this coming from the staff of a website that censors valid negativity of posters on popular new mmos and these posters get banned or warned for trolling when in fact were talking in a very civil yet critical manner, and those that ban em are viewing the game in rose hued glasses.

    Also worth pointing out the "Flaming", "Retailiation" are reportable functions. I got a good laugh out of this thread though.

    In my head all I pictured was OP stomping his foot about not getting a free account or something and rage venting for a column. ..or maybe not getting $ handed to him for a review or something....eh, either way, was at least amusing as much as it was sad.

    In the back of my mind, now I am kind of hoping he gets blacklisted by other companies/Devs for more comic relief.

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  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    so he's making what looks to be a great game and he has a very realistic view of modern media.... so was there an attempt to make any of this seem bad ?
  • FGP123FGP123 Member Posts: 4

    You are a reporter/column writer, you report the news, facts and WELL RESEARCHED and valid points of view, not sensational 'what ifs' like 'He could run off with the money'.

    He could also go mad and stab himself in the eye, but there is zero point or good in suggesting either.

    Ironically you seem concerned that this wonderful new crowd funding, no publisher way of working could be damaged if he does something wrong. Yet the very act of saying or suggesting that 'he could run off with the money' and other pointless comments is EXACTLY what will damage reputation and trust. You just told everyone that if you crowed fund a project they could run off with your money. Way to help install trust and carry the concept forward.

    And he is not a hypocrite to use the media to say sensational things about his game, everyone that has a product to sell will do the same thing, it's what you do, get a hype and use whatever means you have. It's sound business sense.

    You however don't have that luxury. You are not selling anything than your own integrity, you are a reporter not a sales man. It's why he can use you and sensationalize his game.  You you cant sensationalize his attempts and achievements.

    From what i read He was not against media crits, just unfounded media smack talk, hear say and conjecture. There is a big difference. 

    SC fans are not Rabid, they invested in something they want to see develop and they too, get tetchy with all the smack talk.

    And the only reason players have some WILD ideas as to what is being included or created is they simple just make their own stuff up and fail to read the pages and pages of information which is online for them to see.

    A large percentage of the people complaining on the forums don't have a clue as to what Pre Alpha testing is. If you actually did research you would see allot of the issues are unfounded and falls at the feet of basically stupid, childish and petulant players that want it all NOW!

    But hey, why talk about that when you could suggest the Developer could turn into a charlatan ready to do the biggest line of coke before giving the entire community the finger and disappearing forever.

    I'm not  a backer yet, but i have been following the game with intrest and will be soon. I have been following the articles for some informative, researched info. The amount of this garbage, is rife even with Elite dangerous when i was following that too.

    Despite attempts at being  voice of un-bias reason and critique. Again i find myself reading these 'comments'? and coming away with no more real information than the musings of some column writer.

    How about in the intrest of a job well done, chip in, join in, research the game play the alpha states, follow feedback and production and write something with some meat on the bones instead of just fresh air from a 5 mins glance at the forums that was about as helpful to me as a potential backer as an ash tray on a motorbike.

     

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Sevala
    Originally posted by furbans

    And this coming from the staff of a website that censors valid negativity of posters on popular new mmos and these posters get banned or warned for trolling when in fact were talking in a very civil yet critical manner, and those that ban em are viewing the game in rose hued glasses.

    Also worth pointing out the "Flaming", "Retailiation" are reportable functions. I got a good laugh out of this thread though.

    In my head all I pictured was OP stomping his foot about not getting a free account or something and rage venting for a column. ..or maybe not getting $ handed to him for a review or something....eh, either way, was at least amusing as much as it was sad.

    In the back of my mind, now I am kind of hoping he gets blacklisted by other companies/Devs for more comic relief.

    I honestly think he was trying to flex some media muscle, which is the truly humorous part. I think he was attempting to demonstrate an ability to sway opinions..problem is... it doesn't seem to have worked.. judging by the contents of this thread. It just brought more scrutiny toward what he was trying to defend lol.

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  • SevalaSevala Member UncommonPosts: 220
    Originally posted by FGP123

    You however don't have that luxury. You are not selling anything than your own integrity, you are a reporter not a sales man. It's why he can use you and sensationalize his game.  You you cant sensationalize his attempts and achievements.

     

     

    I think you probably lost him at the word integrity, please wait while Google does its magic.

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  • SevalaSevala Member UncommonPosts: 220
    Originally posted by Distopia

    I honestly think he was trying to flex some media muscle, which is the truly humorous part. I think he was attempting to demonstrate an ability to sway opinions..problem is... it doesn't seem to have worked.. judging by the contents of this thread. It just brought more scrutiny toward what he was trying to defend lol.

     

    Agreed. Thread will prolly get deleted once someone realizes he wrote a column that might as well have been called, "Why the media is terrible, please hate on me."

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by Sevala
    Originally posted by Distopia

    I honestly think he was trying to flex some media muscle, which is the truly humorous part. I think he was attempting to demonstrate an ability to sway opinions..problem is... it doesn't seem to have worked.. judging by the contents of this thread. It just brought more scrutiny toward what he was trying to defend lol.

     

    Agreed. Thread will prolly get deleted once someone realizes he wrote a column that might as well have been called, "Why the media is terrible, please hate on me."

    lol

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • DamonVileDamonVile Member UncommonPosts: 4,818
    Originally posted by Sevala
    Originally posted by Distopia

    I honestly think he was trying to flex some media muscle, which is the truly humorous part. I think he was attempting to demonstrate an ability to sway opinions..problem is... it doesn't seem to have worked.. judging by the contents of this thread. It just brought more scrutiny toward what he was trying to defend lol.

     

    Agreed. Thread will prolly get deleted once someone realizes he wrote a column that might as well have been called, "Why the media is terrible, please hate on me."

    And that's the terrible thing about what "news" here has become. Instead of them just trying to get clicks with over sensationalized titles they should be trying to find out things about a game that WE the readers want to know. Write stories about what we're interested in and get people talking. We're all pretty much saying the same thing when it comes to mmos now days anyway.

    Go into an interview armed with questions that we actually want to find out about. Don't just come back with whatever over hyped nonesense they give you and vomit it back onto your site for us to skip over. They should be our voice to the developers asking if games have what we want them to have. Instead they've become a tabloid that isn't far off reporting which developer is sleeping with which.

  • Geebus80Geebus80 Member Posts: 92
    Lol four pages of media sucks and chris is right, seems this little piece of ego porn for mmorpg has backfired.
  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    Originally posted by rpmcmurphy
    I agree that he's full of contradictions, the slimy digs at how you wouldn't get X if Y was handled by a publisher, yet X is majoritively a crappy excuse for bad project management. Roberts comes across as very bitter man with regards to publishers.

    If you go through his past as a game developer you will see that he has valid reasons for being bitter. Twice publishers forced him to release games he believed as unfinished. Especially the case with Freelancer hurt him because although the game was very good it was nowhere near the vision he had for it. 

  • johnk419johnk419 Member Posts: 1

    I have to completely disagree with this article. 

    Your thesis makes no sense. Your argument is that Chris has to deliver a more open and transparent development process for backers but he's doing that already. At the PAX East Arena Commander reveal, they showed us a video of the days leading up to the event, all the silly bugs they encountered, etc. And at the event they had an issue with the build and failed pretty miserably in showing the multiplayer portion. Yet, backers didn't care. The event wasn't some sort of press conference, it was to show off Arena Commander to backers. How much more transparent can they get?

    The problem with video-game journalism today is people don't do their research. Granted, Star Citizen requires quite a bit of research to do, as it's hard to keep track of all the information they give us on a daily basis, and if you are new to Star Citizen, you have to research all the information they've given us for the past 2 years. I can understand that. However, it does not excuse the fact that journalists plaster his/her "opinion" on gaming news websites and act if their opinion is fact. It's especially disgusting when these writers make uneducated points. 

    Most of all, journalists and critics alike simply can't seem to understand what open development is. They see Arena Commander for what it is now and not for what it can be. The whole point of open development is to improve as they go along, getting community feedback as they progress. 

  • FdzzaiglFdzzaigl Member UncommonPosts: 2,433

    From what I can see of "Game Journalism" it's settled a bit too much into the territory of the "opinion press" for me. In that regard I will agree with him that it can be very irritating to continuously hear others spew random opinions about your game.

    HOWEVER.

    I've also never seen a game journalist actually grill a developer or publisher in the way that the general media would grill a politician or company leader in an interview.

    Which is a sad consequence of the fact that many sites are too dependant on those same publishers for their income.

     

    Wether the guy likes it or not, if you garner $46 million through crowdfunding the media is going to scrutinize your product. For good reason.

    While he might not like the opinion press writing sensationalist pieces, he might dislike informed journalists who carefully sift through his companies' affairs and force him to answer the tough question even more.

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332

    I think what Chris really wants is to be the only guy that creates sensationalism because he can spin it as being greater than it really is.

    I really don't know what the majority feel he has promised them for a finished product but i really feel it is more than he can deliver.

    What exactly makes a great space sim anyhow?Sit in some cheap looking cockpit looking out at millions of stars well actually some sheets of star textures.IMO that is nothing to brag about geesh CCP did this years ago and i still lol@ the product.

    This is the era of high tech ALL the tools are at a developers hands to make some seriously amazing products ,yet i have not seen anyone do it.So sorry if i am a huge skeptic,i don't buy into anything this guy is doing until i see some high end products coming out of his studio.

    Flashing around some ships in a cash shop ,getting people to keep giving him more money is borderline misleading and manipulating naive people but whatever,he is not getting anything from me until i see a FINISHED quality product.

     

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  • mari3kmari3k Member Posts: 135
    Well, I understand him...

    Step in the arena and break the wall down

  • william0532william0532 Member Posts: 251

    Post some links to Chris Roberts quote! ****ing shit article, I cannot garner any context because the author passes second hand information with no context and no links to back up his assertions.

    Dammit, when did authors become too ****ing stupid to cite their sources. 

    Go to IGN.com, arguable one of the most corrupt gaming sites out there, and notice even they have links to their sources in their articles.

     

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    Originally posted by william0532

    Post some links to Chris Roberts quote! ****ing shit article, I cannot garner any context because the author passes second hand information with no context and no links to back up his assertions.

    Dammit, when did authors become too ****ing stupid to cite their sources. 

    Go to IGN.com, arguable one of the most corrupt gaming sites out there, and notice even they have links to their sources in their articles.

     

    But you see, only real journalists would worry about such things, and there aren't any on this site.

    It is all "opinion" and paid for opinion at that.

  • DatawarlockDatawarlock Member Posts: 338
    As many times as I've been banned on here for my opinions, I'm thinking our little OP needs become the first of my martyrs.
  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Originally posted by Sevala
    Originally posted by furbans

    And this coming from the staff of a website that censors valid negativity of posters on popular new mmos and these posters get banned or warned for trolling when in fact were talking in a very civil yet critical manner, and those that ban em are viewing the game in rose hued glasses.

    Also worth pointing out the "Flaming", "Retailiation" are reportable functions. I got a good laugh out of this thread though.

    In my head all I pictured was OP stomping his foot about not getting a free account or something and rage venting for a column. ..or maybe not getting $ handed to him for a review or something....eh, either way, was at least amusing as much as it was sad.

    In the back of my mind, now I am kind of hoping he gets blacklisted by other companies/Devs for more comic relief.

    Point of fact:  I'm a Rear Admiral with an incredibly low Citizen number.  I've asked for, nor been granted anything more than access to people for interviews.

  • TE5LATE5LA Member UncommonPosts: 46
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  • william0532william0532 Member Posts: 251
     “given pause not by internal cricisim from frustrated backers who really just want to get into space, but by sensationalistic headlines that imply we’re not working hard or that the game is some sort of scam.”

    So he's offended by being called lazy and a criminal. Your upset by this? Your upset, that a grown man takes offense at being called lazy and a criminal! Somehow that has something to do with you?! Wow, the ego. 

    So if I call you a fat child molester I should be offended if you don't like it. Good to know. 

     

  • ZandilZandil Member UncommonPosts: 252
    Slow news day ?

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  • loulakiloulaki Member UncommonPosts: 944

    Well some guys spend money and expected to get a game, those who spend money and they love the game they would follow the forums and videos, CIG releases every single week one video ...

    The media focused on the first guys, thats really wrong, almost terrible. And you (the media) remind bad quality television programs which invested on misery of others ...

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