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Lets design: A new Star Wars MMO?
sludgebeard
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Inevitably we will see a new big money Star Wars MMO, the franchise still has a very long term staying power and will surely gross more video game spin-offs in MMO form.
So the question is, if you were in the developers seat, designing the newest Star Was MMO, how would you do it?
Now this doesnt have to be limited to simply whether you would do sandbox or themepark or some mix, but rather, what systems would you design? What class's would you implement? How would you do character progression?
How would you address the issues that hindered past Star Wars MMO's?
Lets design a new Star Wars MMO,
Heres one of my design choices if I was in the developers chair on a new Star Wars MMO:
Jedi Progression
I feel as if both SWG and TOR got Jedi Progression wrong in their respective games. In SWG by making Jedi an overly strenuous task to achieve and in TOR by making Jedi overly powerful from level one. So here my solution:
- You can chose the Jedi class from the beginning of the game.
- Start off with no Lightsaber.
- Given only basic force powers as abilities.
- Starter Force Push - stuns for a couples seconds
- Force Heal (In combat)
- Meditate (Out of combat healing)
- Must find weapons such as vibro-blades and blasters from mobs, if not use your fists.
- Progression should be slow and based heavily on skill advancement.
- A Jedi should not be gaining power in both Force and Jedi Combat skills at the same time.
- Split Progression between Force Skill Line and Jedi Combat Skill line
- While other class's are getting very proficient in their combat roles, Jedi's split progression will differentiate them, hinder them from becoming OP at early game, and level the playing field in terms of power with other class's.
- A Jedi should not be gaining power in both Force and Jedi Combat skills at the same time.
- Lightsabers can be attained in a multitude of ways.
- Crafted, with higher level materials that start to appear at a low drop-rate - Level(10+) and onward.
- Crafted Lightsabers given slightly better stats than Quest Rewarded.
- Lightsabers that are crafted can be given to other Jedi through a Mentor System.
- Only allowed one Mentor at a time, limiting the amount of Tradeable Lightsabers.
- Quest Rewarded at L(10+)
- Quest Rewarded Lightsabers are Always Soulbound!
- Crafted, with higher level materials that start to appear at a low drop-rate - Level(10+) and onward.
- Lightsaber is level locked at L(10)
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If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Says the guy with a Star-Trek Avatar :P
Touche salesman, I too have an uncle. In my defense, I have never played STO, I just enjoyed the TV shows
I wouldn't want them to make any more Star Trek games either if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy or whatever.
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If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Yeah your right, i forgot since the vibro-blade was so damn similar to a lightsaber. I think you could get one by the level 9 qest reward though.
My point still is that as a Jedi even without the Lightsaber you just ripped through enemies like it was nothing and progression was far too fast.
What about the 5 year old Padwans(correct typo if wrong) in the movies? I would love a great Star Wars game but, to me it would need to be like Chivalry, you dont take a hit from a light saber and not loose a body part. How this would fit in a MMO, it probably would not, unless you introduce arbitrary "anti light saber" armor.
Getting a light saber in itself should not be the goal, sure you can have colors to represent higher skill, but receiving one should not be a grind. You are born with the "skill" to be a Jedi, not something you give to a 30 year old master of combat.
To me a system of progression of a Jedi is just too complex to be actually doable. Unlocking combos, creating your own and increasing their power should be in such a system.
And then you have the actual combat, it needs to work right with the counterpart, assuming we want some PvP. How do you design a system for this if you want a true Jedi game, where you die or get severely injured if you take a hit. Again this is my vision of what a Jedi Star Wars game should be, flying body parts and hard punishment when you take hits.
A progression system for the force is easier to flesh out and easier to balance properly.
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Get rid of everything StarWars related (aka new IP). That is what ends up ruining every StarWars game in the end.
Ugh...The second worst thing SWG ever did was make Jedi EASIER to get. (The worst being the CU). Another "Waaaaaaaa, i wanna be a jedi people but don't want to have to do any work...". Those people helped ruin (what was the best game) it....or at least speed up the train wreck that it became. I wish they would have made it harder.
Jedi suck.
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i never thought i would say this but i would rather play a Star Wars moba.
SWTOR is already there, it just needs an engine upgrade (if Age of Conan managed to do it right, SWTOR can do it too) and of course better management.
Hybrid mmo of questing/pve and open world sand box.
crafting is important. Resources are part of open world Pvp
npcs affect the world, and also open world events affect npcs. Dynamic events on a large scale with npc armies.
gambling
bounty hunting
fps/ directional attack/block with saber/sword combat that includes action bar for combat
duel arenas
mini games - pazaak/swoop racing
mounted combat
aerial combat in certain areas
day/night cycles with multiple moons/suns
extreme landscape such as la concept art for coruscant.
lots of races
one character and real multi classing
horizontal progression -little time wasted on repetitive/ easy content that is filler. Or none really
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Take SWG (pre-nge) give it Guild Wars 2 style graphics make the Galactic civil war a focal point ..... keep jedi out and
bam a fantastic game
I want it to be JUST LIKE SWG! WAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I win?
I would like to have a game that had the space aspects of EvE with the avatar aspects of, probably Ultima Online. Those space aspects though I would like even more if they were very Earth and Beyond'ish.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Sure, I wouldn't mind a new Star Wars MMO since SWtor became boring very quick. This time, make it a sandbox with open world PvP but use the SWG TEF (temporary enemy flag) system. PvP should not be forced but attacking PvE enemies of the other faction is tempting but will give you a flag for a few minutes so players and npcs of that enemy faction can attack you.
Oh, and about Jedi, it should never be easy to become one. They don't necessarily have to do what SWG did and hide the knowledge to become one. We can know. The only thing is that it will be very very difficult to become one. Maybe even so difficult that should we fail on our character during our quest only once then that character will never become one, ever. (Lets call it "Permadeath quest". Which means what I said. Fail once and the quest is dead for that character. The character never dies though.)
Realistically thinking though, we'll probably never see a Star Wars mmo for many years still but, I'm all for that dream!
This is something I feel they really dropped the ball with SWTOR, I mean both were a big part of TOR lore since KOTOR and would have been great additions to the game world. Buying a Pazaak deck and going to the cantina to duel was a huge hope for me, but it just wasnt in the cards I guess...
I think SWG did it right with jedi the first time around based on the timeline that the game was in.
I would love a pre CU SWG with updated graphics / interface.
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lots of alien species, playable droids. unusal classes , like trader and dancer.
It's strange. They say they have plans to add it in the future. They had a poll to add a few new things and most people voted 3d space combat. Nearly 2 years later from poll they add their new mechanic and ofc they had to deal with f2p transition so it doesn't mean it took them almost 2 years develop. Point is, on that poll were several other things including swoop racing so, once they have added their new expected content such as swoop racing, they won't have an excuse not to add it. However, it's so easy for them to add. Which is why it's strange. I guess we just have to wait to add whatever they prioritize and then they will have to prioritize pazak at some point.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Seems that many of you are saying how you'd:
a. improve swtor
b. improve on swg
c. bring back pure swg
d. create a hybrid of swtor and swg
Am I the only one who would prefer a 'new' star wars game?
They supposedly spent 200 million and imo only got about 50-60% the quality the game needed to be an epic Star Wars game.
IDK perhaps it was a very weak developer "my opinion that they are not well suited to make an epic game".200 million sure seems like more than enough,i believe i could produce such an epic game with that budget.The efforts looked half ass in ALL of it's design,so that tells me there was a lot of wasted cash flow somewhere,idk big shots filling their pockets with high salaries,i really don't know where all that money went.
They really missed the whole point of a RPG,they simply made a bunch of npc's fit the bill for each quest,then they disappeared.Voice acting does nothing if there is no long lasting LORE with these npc's,they need to be there for the entire game aside from some deaths that would happen along the way.
Just as sad as STO was they had several instances that should have been made better with some effort like travelling on ships instead of clicking a door and you warped to some other destination.You don't make the mobs always in groups of 3"90% of the time and 1 the rest of the time" that looks incredibly FAKE and well looks dumb.
There was not one single EPIC moment,like perhaps epic battles where the opposite faction invades a major city and the epic battle begins with players and NPC's defending as the ships role .
My whole point is to point out that they tried with an enormous budget and failed,so unless you figure Bio is just a really weak developer who is going to make such an EPIC game that would then take upwards of 200+ million ,perhaps 300 million?Judging by current trends on game design...nobody will make such a game instead expect more crowd funding Wing Commander type games with loads of hype and talk but nothing much to deliver.Expect loads of solo player game play with co op instances on low budgets.
I too wished for an Epic Star Wars game,i had high hopes that EA would steer Bio in the right direction but truth is there are vry few really good developers with both the talent and the money to pull it off.
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No I'd like a new one too, but it doesn't really matter either way. Nether one is happening any time soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_1_Nvn7DPM
This is how new SW MMO should be.
Pure blasters, no swords/vibroblades (lets keep swords to Warhammer 40K please), and NO LIGHTSABERS.
Jedis ruined SW IP, period.
It ruined SW EP 1-3. It ruined SWG (you can say NGE, but it really a way to introduce jedis to the system)..
Problem here is fans made them godlike, able to do an array of abilities. Can block lasers, wow talk about lightspeed reflexes. They are godlike. It feels like normal people in SW universe are sheeps unable to change anything.
So yeah, if it ever be SW MMO....FFS LEAVE JEDIS OUT OF IT. It sucked the fun out of it.
Personally, I find it hard. The thing I really like from SWTOR is Jedi, with everyone else.... it just was weird how they could even stand on equal footing with them. Granted not ALL jedi have to be crazy good, particularly in the earlier days where force users were common place in terms of being trained, they always felt like they had more umph to them. It would be entertaining if they played more like say from Jedi Academy with that sense of power and mobility. Granted technology and use can do some to match a regular person with a Jedi to some extent, it always felt fully that they were often kept so much the same in the MMos.
Really, simply put, I like that feeling of action and mobility, given an 'action' twist were Jedi are pretty much crazy powerful not just hitting 'high numbers' but also how they move and act. Having a real sense of progression, perhaps as a fresh young force user with no training (nor lightsaber) and progression to being able to force jump to high places to using advance force abilities against enemies. In that sense the 'non-jedis' could easily have their own progression through expertise and gaining technology like rocket packs and crazy tech that could act as a 'counter' to some extent... though I'm really not sure how to pull it up.
My desire to have the whole Jedi/Sith being crazy as they are probably wouldn't turn out well for a MMO going for balance, but honestly its what I like about the Starwars universe the most and its the most interesting. Perhaps one day a game might come that can strike just that right balance, whether its finding a reasonable way to make things seem balanced, or simply going "Screw you non-force users" and focusing solely upon the Jedi and Sith.