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Over 40 bots just left the Shornhelm Wayshrine

TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 780

For real?... This is ludicrous.

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  • LordZeikLordZeik Member UncommonPosts: 276
    Do  they count as subscribers?
  • TalemireTalemire Member UncommonPosts: 780
    No idea man, but I reported every single one of them that came pouring out of the east gate of town. It's becoming ridiculous, really.

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  • SoraksisSoraksis Member UncommonPosts: 294

    how do you know they are bots?

     

  • ArakaziArakazi Member UncommonPosts: 911
    Originally posted by Soraksis

    how do you know they are bots?

     

    oh you know.... it's easy to spot bots, the move like an npc does on a escort mission. you can just tell something is off.

  • AzmodeusAzmodeus Member UncommonPosts: 266

    Why don't you report them in game, instead of running in here in hopes to rile up the "haters"?

     

    I see plenty of bots in Arche Age also, but I don't think they need another hate post in that forum either.

      OMG I am Ancient!
  • artemisentr4artemisentr4 Member UncommonPosts: 1,431
    Had a Dev post in general chat a couple days ago about bots. Said to whisper him if anyone sees bots and they will be gone. Can't remember exactly the way he put it. But it was something about Molag bal minions and sending them to oblivion. So at least they are around and getting rid of bots in game.

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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 9,778
    Originally posted by Talemire
    No idea man, but I reported every single one of them that came pouring out of the east gate of town. It's becoming ridiculous, really.

    ridiculous like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4qA3_zv7g

  • keithiankeithian Member UncommonPosts: 3,136
    I just reported a few bots near Tempest Island Boat running around circles. My first time seeing them. They haven't impacted my gameplay at all.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,910

    I'm eagerly awaiting the release of Wildstar. Not because I intend playing it, but because I'm intrigued to see what the level of goldseller activity will be at (and after) launch.

    The last two AAA MMO launches I was part of (both FFXIV:ARR and ESO), were hit hard by goldsellers. I don't expect Wildstar to be any different, but if it's swamped by goldsellers, the player backlash may be strong enough to make developers realize that the problem can no longer be ignored. "Hoping it goes away" is no longer a viable option.

     

    Goldsellers in ESO seem to be expanding their focus to buying-up rares ingame and then offering those for sale on their websites for real money. This will drive up the price of those items in game (inflation), which will affect all players. The goldsellers LOVE inflation, because the higher prices go ingame, the more likely it is that new players will end up becoming goldseller customers.

     

    I can imagine goldsellers being very excited about Wildstar, because if they can find a way to generate tons of gold ingame, they can buy-up CREDD and offer the CREDD for sale via their website for real money, undercutting Carbine's official price by a large margin. Alternatively, if they price their gold well, players will be tempted to "top-up" their own gold stocks so that they can buy CREDD with ingame gold.

     

     

  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by Talemire

    For real?... This is ludicrous.

    Ah, capitalism in action!

  • BulldozeBulldoze Member UncommonPosts: 115
    Originally posted by Azmodeus

    Why don't you report them in game, instead of running in here in hopes to rile up the "haters"?

     

    I see plenty of bots in Arche Age also, but I don't think they need another hate post in that forum either.

    Not trying to snark but genuinely confused -  Why would botters pay £100 to play an alpha that's going to be reset before launch? That seems so ridiculous 

    I am the Arch-fiend, the Despoiler of Worlds, and by my hands shall the false Emperor fall.

  • Cellarkid88Cellarkid88 Member UncommonPosts: 56
    Originally posted by Bulldoze
    Originally posted by Azmodeus

    Why don't you report them in game, instead of running in here in hopes to rile up the "haters"?

     

    I see plenty of bots in Arche Age also, but I don't think they need another hate post in that forum either.

    Not trying to snark but genuinely confused -  Why would botters pay £100 to play an alpha that's going to be reset before launch? That seems so ridiculous 

    Most likely to get the Bot-AI done and the pathfinding right. If you look at the prices that they might take for gold £100 is sadly a good investment for them.

     

    Most bots don't use the normal game client - they are new and completely unrelated programs so they are not blocked by client-shenanigans like collision of certain objects and a lot of other "stuff". This basicly means they want to make their bot-software as effective as possible when the game gets real.

     

    If they can swarm the servers with bots right at the start new players will not be able to make as much money which will increase the likelyhood of people buying it from their RMT-sites . For the bots this is a win-win situation and - given the potential of RMT in ESO - worth every $, £ or € they have to spend.

     

    PS.: I'm not a bot user, merely a cellarkid. Don't judge me.

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  • BulldozeBulldoze Member UncommonPosts: 115
    Originally posted by Cellarkid88
    Originally posted by Bulldoze
    Originally posted by Azmodeus

    Why don't you report them in game, instead of running in here in hopes to rile up the "haters"?

     

    I see plenty of bots in Arche Age also, but I don't think they need another hate post in that forum either.

    Not trying to snark but genuinely confused -  Why would botters pay £100 to play an alpha that's going to be reset before launch? That seems so ridiculous 

    Most likely to get the Bot-AI done and the pathfinding right. If you look at the prices that they might take for gold £100 is sadly a good investment for them.

     

    Most bots don't use the normal game client - they are new and completely unrelated programs so they are not blocked by client-shenanigans like colliusion of certain objects and a lot of other "stuff". This basicly means they want to make their bot-software as effective as possible when the game gets real.

     

     

    PS.: I'm not a bot user, merely a cellarkid. Don't judge me.

    Seems strange because they could get into beta wayyy cheaper and still have loads of time to pathfind etc.

    As a business it seems a strange choice. Unless the botters got swept up in the hype and couldn't wait like the rest of us, I wonder if that actually happens?

    I am the Arch-fiend, the Despoiler of Worlds, and by my hands shall the false Emperor fall.

  • Cellarkid88Cellarkid88 Member UncommonPosts: 56
    Originally posted by Bulldoze
    Originally posted by Cellarkid88
    Originally posted by Bulldoze
    Originally posted by Azmodeus

    Why don't you report them in game, instead of running in here in hopes to rile up the "haters"?

     

    I see plenty of bots in Arche Age also, but I don't think they need another hate post in that forum either.

    Not trying to snark but genuinely confused -  Why would botters pay £100 to play an alpha that's going to be reset before launch? That seems so ridiculous 

    Most likely to get the Bot-AI done and the pathfinding right. If you look at the prices that they might take for gold £100 is sadly a good investment for them.

     

    Most bots don't use the normal game client - they are new and completely unrelated programs so they are not blocked by client-shenanigans like colliusion of certain objects and a lot of other "stuff". This basicly means they want to make their bot-software as effective as possible when the game gets real.

     

     

    PS.: I'm not a bot user, merely a cellarkid. Don't judge me.

    Seems strange because they could get into beta wayyy cheaper and still have loads of time to pathfind etc.

    As a business it seems a strange choice. Unless the botters got swept up in the hype and couldn't wait like the rest of us, I wonder if that actually happens?

     

    Programming a bot is cheap when you take into account that most of the RMT-Websites have already dedicated tools that help them setting bots up for any game imaginable in a very short amount of time. The rest is fine-tuning and reading ingame-data from RAM and other techniques I don't want to go into detail here.

     

    So from a business standpoint it is a very good choice actually. The game world isn't going to change massively in an MMO so the setup time is marginal and once a bot runs it runs all day - by the hundreds. If ESO is a potential market for RMT is secondary since the setup-time is marginal. If ESO is no market for them they have not lost much.

     

    PS.: Notable mention here that in some cases a Bot-Programm can login and run multiple characters on the same account at the same time since it is not restricted to the usual game-client. This depends if there are server-side checks for this in place. I have no idea if this is the case in ESO.

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,021
    Originally posted by Talemire

    For real?... This is ludicrous.

    have you seen the swarm of bots patrolling public dungeons? My free month already ended but when i was playing it was not even funny. You had to be lucky to get loot from the mini bosses inside there.





  • BulldozeBulldoze Member UncommonPosts: 115
    Originally posted by Cellarkid88
    Originally posted by Bulldoze
    Originally posted by Cellarkid88
    Originally posted by Bulldoze
    Originally posted by Azmodeus

    Why don't you report them in game, instead of running in here in hopes to rile up the "haters"?

     

    I see plenty of bots in Arche Age also, but I don't think they need another hate post in that forum either.

    Not trying to snark but genuinely confused -  Why would botters pay £100 to play an alpha that's going to be reset before launch? That seems so ridiculous 

    Most likely to get the Bot-AI done and the pathfinding right. If you look at the prices that they might take for gold £100 is sadly a good investment for them.

     

    Most bots don't use the normal game client - they are new and completely unrelated programs so they are not blocked by client-shenanigans like colliusion of certain objects and a lot of other "stuff". This basicly means they want to make their bot-software as effective as possible when the game gets real.

     

     

    PS.: I'm not a bot user, merely a cellarkid. Don't judge me.

    Seems strange because they could get into beta wayyy cheaper and still have loads of time to pathfind etc.

    As a business it seems a strange choice. Unless the botters got swept up in the hype and couldn't wait like the rest of us, I wonder if that actually happens?

     

    Programming a bot is cheap when you take into account that most of the RMT-Websites have already dedicated tools that help them setting bots up for any game imaginable in a very short amount of time. The rest is fine-tuning and reading ingame-data from RAM and other techniques I don't want to go into detail here.

     

    So from a business standpoint it is a very good choice actually. The game world isn't going to change massively in an MMO so the setup time is marginal and once a bot runs it runs all day - by the hundreds. If ESO is a potential market for RMT is secondary since the setup-time is marginal. If ESO is no market for them they have not lost much.

     

    PS.: Notable mention here that in some cases a Bot-Programm can login and run multiple characters on the same account at the same time since it is not restricted to the usual game-client. This depends if there are server-side checks for this in place. I have no idea if this is the case in ESO.

    Hi there Cellar, you're a knowledgeable fella

    That explanation of botters, was absolutely stellar

    You couldv'e added music, but you went with acapella

    For that I will commend you, my fellow forum dweller

     

     

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  • kitaradkitarad Member EpicPosts: 5,127
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'm eagerly awaiting the release of Wildstar. Not because I intend playing it, but because I'm intrigued to see what the level of goldseller activity will be at (and after) launch.

    The last two AAA MMO launches I was part of (both FFXIV:ARR and ESO), were hit hard by goldsellers. I don't expect Wildstar to be any different, but if it's swamped by goldsellers, the player backlash may be strong enough to make developers realize that the problem can no longer be ignored. "Hoping it goes away" is no longer a viable option.

     

    Goldsellers in ESO seem to be expanding their focus to buying-up rares ingame and then offering those for sale on their websites for real money. This will drive up the price of those items in game (inflation), which will affect all players. The goldsellers LOVE inflation, because the higher prices go ingame, the more likely it is that new players will end up becoming goldseller customers.

     

    I can imagine goldsellers being very excited about Wildstar, because if they can find a way to generate tons of gold ingame, they can buy-up CREDD and offer the CREDD for sale via their website for real money, undercutting Carbine's official price by a large margin. Alternatively, if they price their gold well, players will be tempted to "top-up" their own gold stocks so that they can buy CREDD with ingame gold.

     

     

    When you have real money to in game conversion like Credd the players prefer to buy from safer sources. Goldsellers are not safe sources. Players will buy directly from NC Soft in this case and even if goldsellers bot up the in game currency who is going to buy it from them in big amounts when safer options exist. So your scenario may play out but not to the extend it does in games with no RMT in game .See TERA as an example. 

     

    Also I suspect there is greater incentive for an RMT run game to come down even harder on bots since it eats into actual money if they allow them to proliferate. In other games even if bots run wild they are not eating up the real money that may be made by the game company. Companies tend to find the resources to handle bots better when the incentive to do so is greater.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,910
    Originally posted by kitarad
    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I'm eagerly awaiting the release of Wildstar. Not because I intend playing it, but because I'm intrigued to see what the level of goldseller activity will be at (and after) launch.

    The last two AAA MMO launches I was part of (both FFXIV:ARR and ESO), were hit hard by goldsellers. I don't expect Wildstar to be any different, but if it's swamped by goldsellers, the player backlash may be strong enough to make developers realize that the problem can no longer be ignored. "Hoping it goes away" is no longer a viable option.

     

    Goldsellers in ESO seem to be expanding their focus to buying-up rares ingame and then offering those for sale on their websites for real money. This will drive up the price of those items in game (inflation), which will affect all players. The goldsellers LOVE inflation, because the higher prices go ingame, the more likely it is that new players will end up becoming goldseller customers.

     

    I can imagine goldsellers being very excited about Wildstar, because if they can find a way to generate tons of gold ingame, they can buy-up CREDD and offer the CREDD for sale via their website for real money, undercutting Carbine's official price by a large margin. Alternatively, if they price their gold well, players will be tempted to "top-up" their own gold stocks so that they can buy CREDD with ingame gold.

     

     

    When you have real money to in game conversion like Credd the players prefer to buy from safer sources. Goldsellers are not safe sources. Players will buy directly from NC Soft in this case and even if goldsellers bot up the in game currency who is going to buy it from them in big amounts when safer options exist. So your scenario may play out but not to the extend it does in games with no RMT in game .See TERA as an example. 

     

    Also I suspect there is greater incentive for an RMT run game to come down even harder on bots since it eats into actual money if they allow them to proliferate. In other games even if bots run wild they are not eating up the real money that made be made by the game company. Companies tend to find the resources to handle bots better when the incentive to do so is greater.

    Yes, you'd think that the companies that run F2P games would make the greatest effort to remove bots from the game. Yet most popular F2P games have bots and goldsellers. Neverwinter was totally overrun by them at launch, global chat was virtually unuseable.

     

    You'd also think that players would stop buying gold from goldsellers if there are legal ways (PLEX, CREDD) to buy ingame gold for real money, but evidently they don't always care. If they're prepared to risk an account ban when buying from goldsellers, they'll still be prepared to risk the account ban if it means a 50% discount on the cost of their CREDD...

  • UhwopUhwop Member UncommonPosts: 1,791
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Talemire
    No idea man, but I reported every single one of them that came pouring out of the east gate of town. It's becoming ridiculous, really.

    ridiculous like this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4qA3_zv7g

    I happen to notice that your response to anything to do with bots in ESO is to link years olds YouTube videos of bots in other games.  

    A 4 year old video of WoW, a game with millions of subscribers, doesn't provide evidence that there's nothing wrong in ESO, a game with not even a fraction of the number of subscribers WoW has.  

    It seems ridiculous to me when there appears to be as many bots in an area as players.  It's not so ridiculous in a game where the number of players in an area far exceed the number of bots.  

     

    I played lineage 2 for several years when it released.  It also had a lot of bots, but It took several years before I saw more bots than players. It didn't happen within the first month.  

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 9,778
    @uhwop let me ask you, do you really think there are more bots than players? If not why would you say that?

    The point of this video with dancing WoW bots and gw2 bot trains is to show that in 2014, excessive bots are an industry issue that not even the all mighty WoW or NCsoft can handle.

    Unfortunately bots are here for the foreseeable future. In all honesty you need to worry if it didn't have any...
  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 6,896
    Originally posted by bcbully
    @uhwop let me ask you, do you really think there are more bots than players? If not why would you say that?

    The point of this video with dancing WoW bots and gw2 bot trains is to show that in 2014, excessive bots are an industry issue that not even the all mighty WoW or NCsoft can handle.

    Unfortunately bots are here for the foreseeable future. In all honesty you need to worry if it didn't have any...

    If you were going to specifically talk about 2014, maybe you should stop linking videos from 2010.

  • UhwopUhwop Member UncommonPosts: 1,791
    Originally posted by bcbully
    @uhwop let me ask you, do you really think there are more bots than players? If not why would you say that?

    The point of this video with dancing WoW bots and gw2 bot trains is to show that in 2014, excessive bots are an industry issue that not even the all mighty WoW or NCsoft can handle.

    Unfortunately bots are here for the foreseeable future. In all honesty you need to worry if it didn't have any...

    No I don't think there are. 

    The server setup doesn't help though.  

    Some people are going to be dropped into a server phase that is going to make it look like its them and a community full of bots.  Saying other games have bots isn't going to make it better for those people, and the more of them that quit out of frustration the more people that will end up in a phase with those bots.  

    So eventually those people who are saying "I never see bots" are going to end up in those phases with all of those bots.

    i stopped playing lineage 2 after 4 years for one reason only, every where I went I saw trains of bots, and it got frustrating.  

    I didn't stop playing WoW for that reason.  

     

     

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 9,778
    @uhwop I understand where you are coming from. Bots just like the ones we see here plagued my game age of wushu too. They a irritating to the point of one day possibly being the straw that breaks the back of some players.

    They are ugly, and the are infesting every aaa title w/o exception. If anyone here has a solution they should contact Blizzard, NCsoft and Zenimax and sell it to the highest bidder.
  • kakasakikakasaki Member UncommonPosts: 1,205
    Originally posted by bcbully
    @uhwop I understand where you are coming from. Bots just like the ones we see here plagued my game age of wushu too. They a irritating to the point of one day possibly being the straw that breaks the back of some players.

    They are ugly, and the are infesting every aaa title w/o exception. If anyone here has a solution they should contact Blizzard, NCsoft and Zenimax and sell it to the highest bidder.

    Someone can come up with a cost-effective way to deal with BOTS, that person would make big $$$! 

    Completely unrelated: Find it funny this is the upteenth thread complaining about bots and MMORPG.com allows it. Someone opens up a thread to discuss why such negativity about the game and that gets closed for "stirring the pot." Gotta love the inconsistent moderation on this site....

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  • MaelwyddMaelwydd Member Posts: 1,123

    I made a report because the situation with the bots is absolutely horrendous.

     

    During a period of 15 minutes I counted an average of 1 bot every 2 seconds. When you see thee bot trains and have a long conveyor-belt line of about 20 bots on screen at any time all running the same route, all wearing the same stuff....the only game that came close to having this kind of problem was GW2 and I left shortly after it got to a point of spoiling the game. I have the remainder of a 1 month sub extension to run and then I am done.

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