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PVP - continued
I'm gonna open an ice cream store. Everyone agrees i have the BEST Ice Cream available. But I'm only selling vanilla. No Chocolate.....no Strawberry. Just vanilla.
How large is my market gonna be?
Trion, you have a GOLDEN opportunity here.
Almost universally those of us that were "suckered" into the Founders deal are LOVING what your doing here!
Those of you that choose not to partake......why are you so jealous of those of us that did? The quality of any deal, like beauty, lies in the eyes of the beholder. And I don't think I've seen many posts from anyone who regrets their decision. Should we discuss ESO? Wild Star?
Anywho....back to my point......i just don't understand why Trion would not want to garner and retain as many folks as possible here. They are into it to make a profit? No?
The PVP crowd is a VERY vocal minority. And in my experience they just want to be able to GANK, GANK GANK!
So, for the love of God, you have the opportunity to satisfy both audiences!
Just make PVP and PVE servers.....Let the gaming public speak with our dollars!
Give us a chance to play this WONDERFUL game without dealing with the asshat small minority that just seems to take pleasure in ruining others fun.
Allow them to get to make level in 35 minutes and gank each other all they want!
The solution just seems that simple........
Trion CAN make EVERYONE happy, no?
Whats the problem?
P.S. - Note to Trion......My Vanilla ice cream store is getting rave reviews......but, strangely, not so many customers.....
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Somebody please just sticky the safe/peace/war time zone stuff so we can stop having the same discussion.
BTW, just out of real curiousity, not trolling. If you made a no pvp server, how would it have more longevity than other themepark mmorpgs? Rift and Wildstar have far more PVE content than AA, and pretty awesome housing systems, along with consentual pvp arenas/BG's. Do they need boats? Doesn't FFXIV also have housing with upcoming gardening in patch 2.2?
That sticky would be nice but it works both waysas 2 hours of peace time aren't exactly invalidating the concerns of pve-oriented players(and mmo players tend to have the intention to advance their chars and not stay below lvl 30).
To your question: For a pve-only server it would be all about the quality of the pve-activities and the mechanics like sailing, housing, farming. Right now other game has that mix at a comparable quality-level but if you ask me i wouldn't want a server completely without pvp. For me a better solution would be to introduce consensual-pvp(players flag themselves for pvp, auto-flag for traderuns might be an addition) and keeping the northern continent for a faction v.s faction type of pvp. This should make a lot of the pvp and pve players happy. The only real unhappy ones are thoose pvp-players that don't want a challange but victims.
Well, a VERY good question.
I have played, and am currently playing several MMO's. I'd say I've at least tried every major release since EQ1.
No game SINCE EQ1 and then EQ2, has gotten me as excited as A/A.
It's that good. Or CAN be. Was reading a post earlier. Comment was that XL/Trion has taken EVERY MMO, thrown them in a blender and extracted all the good and eliminated all the not so good.
I'm in fear of losing these lands due to that very few that take their pleasure in ruining others fun.
I mean what is the HARM in separate servers?
Why is the PVP crowd in such an uproar over losing us easily slaughterable lambs?
I am all for allowing them to PVP to their hearts content! To each his own. Live and let live?
But WHY reduce your potential market when you have the choice not to?
I have no statistics to support this statement, but I'll wager those 12 year old gankers are also the ones that want their games FTP and with a cash shop that offers no items to really aid others! Try going to work for 60 hours a week, coming home and just cant wait to log in! Then ya do and BOOM......your dead. and dead. and dead. Wheres the sport and fun in that? Except the that PVP ganker. He/she is loving it!
Final thought......if not separate servers.....at least a flag? I fully realize some folks truly enjoy PVP.
I say again....at this stage Trion CAN have it all.
This game, unlike so many releases over the last decade, IMO, can be HUGE.
How many have challenged king WoW and failed? Countless numbers. We live in an era where a games lifespan with a healthy population usually numbers in the 30 day range!
A/A has the goods to reverse that trend.......Trust me on that!
If only they do the smart thing......if only....
I'm in a group of about 25 older gamers.......of the 25 of us, only 2 of us have bought the alpha packace. 8%. Being an older crowd, the $150.00 cost is NOT the main issue.
Yep.....you guessed it! Forced PVP if you wanna leave your home continent. I have no idea if that 8% is representative of the public as a whole.
But i am sure that a lot of folks are walking away without even a LOOK because of it.
And that's a crying shame.
The game is nothing short of phenomenal.
My apologies if you construed this as a hate post! That is most certainly NOT my intent.
Another game I really enjoyed was Aion. This was a few years back before the leveling server.
I would log in and just try to level and harvest.........in certain zones there were almost always a group of folks that were of a higher level than the zone and just sat there and waited........
i remember the first time it happened......Suddenly I was just DEAD! I had no clue as to even what happened.....silly me!
went back to the zone......BOOM! dead again..........I mean I never even saw who killed me!
What satisfaction could the person have gotten? There was not even a fight!
I also recall playing Wow with my younger (at the time) preteen nephew. Sad to say he was a ganker. He LOVED running wherever he had to go to slaughter EVERYONE he could. As a kid he had tons of time to play and got very good, very quickly. He logged just to kill lower level toons. So sad.
I drift as I am wont to do.......
This post was to apologize..........no hate intended.
Just my thoughts on a very good game that would be a shame not to allow us pve'ers to play.
Seriously?
Just stop, there are so many PvE only games, and plenty of PvP FFA games, just stop trying to dilute the populations.
From either point of view PvP or PvE having separate servers for those 2 just ruins the servers.
The griefers will be taken care of by the less than tolerant "white knight" PvE/P players who hate bullies and form guilds/alliances just to stop gankers.... and the justice system already in existence can be expanded if it so needs to be.
Your original post just comes across as a troll and you seem to just want to incite anger form PvP players.
AA needs both types, stop trying to separate them.
Lolipops !
Would you be against allowing PVP'ers to only PVP with folks at or ABOVE their level?
ALL I WANT TO DO IS STOP THE GANKING.
OP will probably get his wish eventually. AA 1.0 in Korea has nerfed PvP to the point the North Continent is a safe zone. We will see if or when this patch makes it to the States and how much say Trion has in it.
Fwiw, AA at its core was originally developed around territorial owPvP and politics. Trion would be smart to accentuate this aspect of the game imo. KAA went downhill population wise after carebears cried and got PvP nerfed and then all the big PvP guilds left.
Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself.
Lot's of games out do PvE better than AA. The open world bosses and instanced dungeons aren't anything particularly special and or challenging. That won't hold players, even the ones whining for PvP nerfs.
Make territorial PvP meaningful and risk vs reward with consequence. PvPers will flock. Priority #1 has to be fixing the siege system.
AA is intended to be played in a guild. You can run around solo but you will be an easy target without the protection of groups of players. So your gameplay choice is kind of setting you up and making you susceptible to gankers.
There is a downside to ganking in AA. You get enough blood points and are outcast to pirate island. Being a pirate sounds cool but when you are banned from all NPC towns/cities it becomes quite an inconvenience.
I am sorry to break it to you OP, but if you have just played the game for a couple of weeks, you cannot possibly with any authority, judge the whole game.
I have played it now for well over a year in all three versions (KR,RU and Alpha) and have experienced both the PVE and the PVP side of things.
There is not enough PVE content to keep anybody occupied for very long, believe me. It is very overwhelming at first I agree. The programmers have really had an eye for detail and the little things in the game I still find amazing, BUT - there is very little instanced PVE content - i.e. dungeons and a few world bosses. You can get to level 50 in a few days and then you will be grinding farmville and doing dailys. It will get boring quickly I assure you.
The thing that Archage excels at is the TRADE. And really then the system, the balance between PVE and PVP really begins to shine. No risk, no fun. The whole game is built around the balance between the PVE and the PVP. Without it the game will die very quickly.
XLGames has experienced this as they dumbed down the game with version 1.0 (carebear patch) and half their servers emptied. Now they have realised their mistake and are reversing most of the decisions they made earlier (version 1.2), not all but some.
We will have to wait and see how Trion stands up to the pressure from players like you trying to destroy a working system.
It aint broke - dont fix it.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
I really can't see how it would work with no pvp, then everyone would just do the hardest trade runs constantly.
The north continent would be a no PvP zone? how would that work?
This game is designed to work with pvp at its core, its not something you just remove. You can play the game with no pvp if you like just play alitle smart I guess.
I think were missing one of my key points. Shame on me!
It's NOT all about combat in A/A. Not even close.
The crafting, the mounts, Housing with your own crops and livestock......the lil sub systems are fantastic here.
I stumbled across my first wagon today......I was in AWE! Totally cool.
I don't mean to keep whipping this horse......but all I wanna do is to be able to log in and perhaps gather a bit......without being whacked to death 10 times in a row.
RL is bad enough some days........i really just don't wanna deal with that in my MMO.
Forget the servers issue! This is getting crazy.
Just a simple flag will do.
WHY do you PVP proponents insist that you be allowed to slaughter innocents? Why can you not just go duke it out amongst your selves?
Is it really not just that simple?
Kill yourselves all day long..........if thats your thing.......go have some fun with it. But with even odds?
There are some parts i hope this game will change about PVP if it want to keep open PVP interest.
reduce damage when player VS player so the battle between players will last longer
let player free to equip any gears (no level restrict) at level when the game begin PVP contents , i think it around level 30.
Give player some special skill so even low level player can beat up high level if they have large number .
A skill deal very big damage but have very large CD , 30 minutes to 1h
or some suicide boom skill .
And when player use invisible skill , HE MUST NOT ABLE TO MOVE . I serious hate open world PVP where invisible man run around everywhere.
That's something i think must change in PVP , maybe more if i can test the game lol .
Seriously , what is fun when you hunt lambs ? it more fun when wolfs hunt down lion
Last few posts WERE quite interesting.........and I readily agree.....a few weeks does not a good opinion make! Some good food for thought there folks.
Nother observation tho.....in any game I've played that has any form of PVP, one or 2 guilds rather quickly become kings......and no one else really stands a chance anyway. They just rule the server. You join them......or suffer.
I'm seeing that trend already starting on the guild recruitment posts........EVERYBODY wants to "RULE' PVP!
Perhaps this is just not the game for me after all?
hmmmm.......
You.
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Wrong.
Game.
This game is made upon the conflict that derives from trade routes..... there are no NPC pirate grps that will track down your trade caravan, in order for that to happen, we need player pirates.
Please, i am serious now.... go play EverQuest Landmark, that game is exactly what you are really looking for, it is everything you have described. I am not a hardcore PvP player, but i like the balance that AA has right now, your ideas here are flawed and narrow minded. Without the PvP in this game, without the fear of being "ganked" or "Killed" or "preyed upon" this game will not be what it is now.
Please i am not trying to belittle you OP, i am very serious, Landmark is what you want, not AA.
Lolipops !
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No.
Trion does not need to make a seperate ruleset server for this game as it would take development time away from them focusing on the core game. There is a justice system, so there are penalties and yet you still complain about ganking, look just go play something really softcore and quit trying to ruin a complete MMORPG old school experience.
This is actually now one of the only ones, seriously sitting in your house and crafting and decorating can already been done in a million other games, why do you need another safezone house simulator, there are plenty to choose from out there that have already gutted once decent MMORPG's.
How are the mobs in Landmark so far?
How about the quests?
Oh yeah......they don't have any!
Why would you folks even bring that up? Landmark cannot even be spoken of in the same breath as A/A.
We are drifting afar from my plea......
Allow PVP for those that wish it.
and if it is a VITAL component to the games design, I can live with it.
JUST DON'T ALLOW THE MISMATCHES.......
If Im at level 30 and want to make a run......no toon over 30 can attack me........gimme a chance guys!
Now I did read a very interesting post....not sure if it's true or not. It simply said, if your grouped and get attacked.....your group CANNOT aid you.........thats interesting, if true and perhaps a start.
Again......it's just the ganking that concerns me. at level 30, if your a 40.......I simply can't win!
I liked the post about slaughtering sheep......let you wolves go fight more wolves!
Is the concept of fair play so repugnant to you PVP'ers? Just even the odds is all I desire.
There we go, If you don't enjoy PvP it's not going to be game for you. That's just fact...
It's totally fine to game not be for everyone, There is enough MMORPG's in world to have something for everyone.
Game promotes 50lvl guys to go kill 30lvl guys for free honor, If you can't handle dying without having any chance then there is no point playing.
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Please. AA is NOT a solo game. It is quite possible to level in in the 30+ (PVP) zones - just dont go alone. Yes, there are gankers, of course there are, but if you are levelling as a group, and get great xp as a group by the way, then solo gankers will not touch you - usually. It is possible in this game for a couple of mid-30 players to kill a level 50 player. Just be a bit on your toes and you will be fine. In addition to this, there are also peacetimes in those zones where no PVP is allowed. Really easy then.
It is really old school MMO where you need friends or guild to get to the best content. That much is true.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
Interesting quotes from another thread...
Darkfall, mortal online, xsyon; these are few of those OW PvP games currently played by OW PvP crowd. considering how every one of those games report that they are losing money each quarter, you really don't need any other evidence.
There are lots of PvPers. There aren't enough people who want to play the victim.
I can hear you.
We have a Department in our guild, to deal with such subjects.
Write down the names and report their crimes, they go to jail most likely then.
At all, you need some company, lone wolfs have a hard life in ArcheAge ..
Retaliate !
You are thinking that there is just 2 kinds of players in MMO's.... PvP gankers who only live to ruin other players game, and PvE carebears who only want to frolic in the fields of harvesting/crafting.
More than likely both of those type of players are the minority, the majority are those who want balance between the 2 extremes, and we are the ones that hardly ever complain. Well when either of those two camps try to marginalize the other it affects the gameplay of us... the balanced players who want a nice combination of the two play styles.
I would be just as adverse (i was in another thread) if the PvP players wanted separate servers also. Balanced servers, thats how AA was envisioned and that's how i would prefer it to remain, and from the other comments in this thread, so would many others.
Oh and the mobs in Landmark will be added into the beta... its still in alpha btw.
Lolipops !