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  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    ... and takes it offline for a whole year for a revamp.

    Which changes and additions would you expect for a massive comeback?

    That is a whole lot of money, which could be used to make an entire new MMO from scratch. Revamping a game and getting high subs after that is actually really hard.

    But sure, here is what I would expect:

    *Better multiplayer. The open world is a singleplayer game where others runs around and flashpoints just ain't many and good enough. Make it easier and more rewarding to play with others.

    *Better use of spaceships. A lot of possibilities here where we actually could play in something similar to the space battle scenes that made the IP famous.

    * New mechanics. Healers have nothing to do in the IP and light saber combat should be a lot better. Get active dodging and parrying. Take away the levels and instead let players buy some upgrades a bit more often. Make the game feels less like a fantasy MMO and more like Star wars.

    I would also consider either a total revamp of the PvP system or just to get rid of the entire PvP (or move it to the spacecombat upgrade. PvP is just not good enough and if they can't totally revamp it just getting rid of it and focus more on the PvE is a better option.

  • VolenibbletsVolenibblets Member UncommonPosts: 245
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    and you dont' think SWG is mocked?

     

    here's the thing SWTOR and its storys are 100% part of Star Wars canon.    It has already achieved its perminat place in the Star Wars lore which means it will be remembered and talked about for decades.

    Nothing in SWG is considered canon... NOTHING.   The only SWG is talked about is because it was a sandbox.  Once another sandbox MMO similar to SWG is released then SWG will completely fade from memory.

     

     

    That is precisely my point, I'm not faulting the lore. I complemented the storyline aspects of the game at the beginning. I'm faulting every other aspect of the game besides the story. And, lets face it, this could have been enjoyed in a cheaper offline game as the integration of every multiplayer facet of SWTOR is horribly conceived, something which SWG, with very little focus on canon lore, got bang on and as a result felt more Star Wars attuned (ala the first three movies) with a lot less money and effort. To me at least. It's just a shame SWTOR's depth of storyline didn't follow through to depth of gameplay/crafting/anything else.  

  • PyukPyuk Member UncommonPosts: 754
    EA blew their wad on senseless VO for every single NPC in the game, Probably would have saved 100 mil by not doing that kind of absurdity. But as someone else already pointed out, EA doesn't give two shits about saving face and is perfectly happy keeping skeleton slave labor toiling away on the current project until it ceases to create enough revenue to maintain their current number of slaves working on it. Then they'll just kill it with fire... or sell it for pocket change to that group of folks who bought UO and DAoC.

    I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Originally posted by ktanner3

    KOTOR was certainly my favorite of the all the Star Wars games so naturally I prefer TOR over SWG. I had some good times in SWG, but it was by no means this great successful game that it's hardcore fans pretend it was. Those of us who were actually  there from launch through the many changes SOE made trying to make the game more appealing know better. It was one of the many casualities left behind after WOW came along and showed players that MMOs don't have to be boring forced grouping grind fests.

    That is really simplifying things. Sure, Wow did streamline many things but many of the older games did have a lot of great points and I had plenty of great moments in them back then.

    As for forced grouping a MMO should of course have many ways to play them but forced questgrind is not really better than monstergrinding. I don't mind some soloing for the people who enjoy that but MMOs should encourage group interactions (not force it though). Better rewards and more XP for groups to take on harder content do actually make the community better, if I just want to play by meself there are plenty of single player games that do that part better.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by Fenrir767
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    What made SWG great was the other players, and was a true proper MMO online experience.

    SWTORs strength is just the game itself

    SWTOR will be remembered for its single player style, dressed up as a MMO, to rip people off. If SWTOR was released like Mass Effect 3 then it would have fared a lot better. People just don't want to play it like a MMO, as if they did 2 million subs would not have dropped right down to 500K (75% of people who bought the game) by the time F2P was done.

    KOTOR is still a better game than SWTOR.

    SWG was created by Raph Koster who loved gaming, and SWG was born from that passion, and was almost like an indie game, but then SOE/LA wanted huge revnues from it, so it got butchered. SWTOR was a money making scheme from the beginning with no passion of being a great game, and got NGE'd at launch, as Dallas Dickinson goes in to details of how parts of the game were cut out to make the game launch, which made devs cry. SWTOR was meant to be more than what it is now, and it will never be, following the departure of the Doctors, selling off to Disney, and closure of LA. even if there is another KOTOR 3 it will just be another EA affair.

    And that is your opinion, about the game which is not a fact. That's how you feel about it. I prefere SWTOR to KOTOR and am enjoying myself. I felt that SOE had ripped me off by not delivering on the experienced they promised with a buggy broken mess of a game that felt nothing like Star Wars and had basically provided me with a second job that I was paying them for.

    SWG sold 1.2 million plus copies and at one point had 250k subs before they expanded the content and brought back players much like SWTOR 75% of the population quit the game because they didn't like it. You can quote numbers back and forth all you want but that won't change the fact that you liked SWG and you felt it was amazing and that's your opinion.

    You don't like what Bioware is doing that's fine I like SWTOR as is, I would have prefered to get the game Bioware wanted to make but ambitious devs over reached with the Hero Engine and got themselves in trouble financially because they were cocky and arrogant and couldn't make it work properly which is where they spent a ton of their money! If EA hadn't pushed it out the door the game may have become vaporware due to them running out of money.

    I didn't like SWG and prefer SWTOR that's my opinion you have an opinion and an agenda that's fine but your opinion is not fact and even the facts you use are ones you pick selectively to prove your point and not the overall picture. Just don't expect everyone to share your opinion and bring it up constantly and uselessly on a forum dedicated to a game that you clearly don't like.....

    My point is it is not just my opinion, it is more fact and people are still playing the game for a short while and quitting after only a few months, but as it is free there are a constant stream of new players to replace the old.

    I liked SWTOR too, but only for a solid few months, not full time like SWG where I played it for the full 8.5 years day in day out and only stopped playing it because it shut down. If you feel you like SWTOR so much that you can keep playing it constantly like I did with SWG all the time it is active, then you are in the minority.

     

  • bobdole1979bobdole1979 Member Posts: 210
    Originally posted by Volenibblets
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    and you dont' think SWG is mocked?

     

    here's the thing SWTOR and its storys are 100% part of Star Wars canon.    It has already achieved its perminat place in the Star Wars lore which means it will be remembered and talked about for decades.

    Nothing in SWG is considered canon... NOTHING.   The only SWG is talked about is because it was a sandbox.  Once another sandbox MMO similar to SWG is released then SWG will completely fade from memory.

     

     

    That is precisely my point, I'm not faulting the lore. I complemented the storyline aspects of the game at the beginning. I'm faulting every other aspect of the game besides the story. And, lets face it, this could have been enjoyed in a cheaper offline game as the integration of every multiplayer facet of SWTOR is horribly conceived, something which SWG, with very little focus on canon lore, got bang on and as a result felt more Star Wars attuned (ala the first three movies) with a lot less money and effort. To me at least. It's just a shame SWTOR's depth of storyline didn't follow through to depth of gameplay/crafting/anything else.  

    my point is SWG felt nothing like Star Wars because it was so lore breaking.    

     

    During a time where the Galactic Empire is at the height of its power and there are only 2 Jedi some how there are hundreds of peopel running around with lightsabers right past imperial guards.

     

    Or how about on Degobah which is suppposed to have 0 signs of civiliazation is now a major tourist destination?   For  a reculsive hermit Yoda sure does see a lot of people. 

     

    Or Obi Wan being a Quest NPC for anyone who can hold a lightsaber?  

    The ghettos that surrounded all the major cities

    ]Star Wars Masters of Teras Kasi felt more like Star Wars then SWG

  • Fenrir767Fenrir767 Member Posts: 595
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Fenrir767
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    What made SWG great was the other players, and was a true proper MMO online experience.

    SWTORs strength is just the game itself

    SWTOR will be remembered for its single player style, dressed up as a MMO, to rip people off. If SWTOR was released like Mass Effect 3 then it would have fared a lot better. People just don't want to play it like a MMO, as if they did 2 million subs would not have dropped right down to 500K (75% of people who bought the game) by the time F2P was done.

    KOTOR is still a better game than SWTOR.

    SWG was created by Raph Koster who loved gaming, and SWG was born from that passion, and was almost like an indie game, but then SOE/LA wanted huge revnues from it, so it got butchered. SWTOR was a money making scheme from the beginning with no passion of being a great game, and got NGE'd at launch, as Dallas Dickinson goes in to details of how parts of the game were cut out to make the game launch, which made devs cry. SWTOR was meant to be more than what it is now, and it will never be, following the departure of the Doctors, selling off to Disney, and closure of LA. even if there is another KOTOR 3 it will just be another EA affair.

    And that is your opinion, about the game which is not a fact. That's how you feel about it. I prefere SWTOR to KOTOR and am enjoying myself. I felt that SOE had ripped me off by not delivering on the experienced they promised with a buggy broken mess of a game that felt nothing like Star Wars and had basically provided me with a second job that I was paying them for.

    SWG sold 1.2 million plus copies and at one point had 250k subs before they expanded the content and brought back players much like SWTOR 75% of the population quit the game because they didn't like it. You can quote numbers back and forth all you want but that won't change the fact that you liked SWG and you felt it was amazing and that's your opinion.

    You don't like what Bioware is doing that's fine I like SWTOR as is, I would have prefered to get the game Bioware wanted to make but ambitious devs over reached with the Hero Engine and got themselves in trouble financially because they were cocky and arrogant and couldn't make it work properly which is where they spent a ton of their money! If EA hadn't pushed it out the door the game may have become vaporware due to them running out of money.

    I didn't like SWG and prefer SWTOR that's my opinion you have an opinion and an agenda that's fine but your opinion is not fact and even the facts you use are ones you pick selectively to prove your point and not the overall picture. Just don't expect everyone to share your opinion and bring it up constantly and uselessly on a forum dedicated to a game that you clearly don't like.....

    My point is it is not just my opinion, it is more fact and people are still playing the game for a short while and quitting after only a few months, but as it is free there are a constant stream of new players to replace the old.

    I liked SWTOR too, but only for a solid few months, not full time like SWG where I played it for the full 8.5 years day in day out and only stopped playing it because it shut down. If you feel you like SWTOR so much that you can keep playing it constantly like I did with SWG all the time it is active, then you are in the minority.

     

    IT IS YOUR OPINION!! You can try and say that it's not but what about all of the players that quit SWG to the point that they decided not to renew the license and the game got shutdown. The players that liked SWG played it for 8.5 years were the minority try and spin it anyway you want it you are a vocal minority more people left your game than played like every other MMORPG ever made the only difference is that SWG started bleeding players quickly due to things like the Holocron Grind and other aspects. If SWG had 1 million subs before any of the changes do you think SOE would have made it no it failed to meet expectations which were about 1 million subs before launch. Your a minority just like your accusing those that really like SWTOR of being. We don't care we don't mind we like our game and are good with it

    As much as you want to say your opinion is fact it's not and never will be it's true for you and people with similar tastes and until you can take accept that fact your will come off as nothing more than a "Pretentious" Troll pushing an agenda on a forum about a game he loves that is gone. 

  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,061
    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by ktanner3 KOTOR was certainly my favorite of the all the Star Wars games so naturally I prefer TOR over SWG. I had some good times in SWG, but it was by no means this great successful game that it's hardcore fans pretend it was. Those of us who were actually  there from launch through the many changes SOE made trying to make the game more appealing know better. It was one of the many casualities left behind after WOW came along and showed players that MMOs don't have to be boring forced grouping grind fests.

    That is really simplifying things. Sure, Wow did streamline many things but many of the older games did have a lot of great points and I had plenty of great moments in them back then.

    As for forced grouping a MMO should of course have many ways to play them but forced questgrind is not really better than monstergrinding. I don't mind some soloing for the people who enjoy that but MMOs should encourage group interactions (not force it though). Better rewards and more XP for groups to take on harder content do actually make the community better, if I just want to play by meself there are plenty of single player games that do that part better.

     

    Are we playing the same game?TOR DOES offer better rewards and XP through grouping up for harder content.Have since the very beginning. There are more than enough Heroics, Flashpoints and Operations to supplement the main storyline along with all the XP you get for PVP. It's not the game's fault that you chose to skip all the group content in the game, but it is there. Loads of it.

    Currently Playing: World of Warcraft

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by Fenrir767
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by Fenrir767
    Originally posted by superniceguy

    What made SWG great was the other players, and was a true proper MMO online experience.

    SWTORs strength is just the game itself

    SWTOR will be remembered for its single player style, dressed up as a MMO, to rip people off. If SWTOR was released like Mass Effect 3 then it would have fared a lot better. People just don't want to play it like a MMO, as if they did 2 million subs would not have dropped right down to 500K (75% of people who bought the game) by the time F2P was done.

    KOTOR is still a better game than SWTOR.

    SWG was created by Raph Koster who loved gaming, and SWG was born from that passion, and was almost like an indie game, but then SOE/LA wanted huge revnues from it, so it got butchered. SWTOR was a money making scheme from the beginning with no passion of being a great game, and got NGE'd at launch, as Dallas Dickinson goes in to details of how parts of the game were cut out to make the game launch, which made devs cry. SWTOR was meant to be more than what it is now, and it will never be, following the departure of the Doctors, selling off to Disney, and closure of LA. even if there is another KOTOR 3 it will just be another EA affair.

    And that is your opinion, about the game which is not a fact. That's how you feel about it. I prefere SWTOR to KOTOR and am enjoying myself. I felt that SOE had ripped me off by not delivering on the experienced they promised with a buggy broken mess of a game that felt nothing like Star Wars and had basically provided me with a second job that I was paying them for.

    SWG sold 1.2 million plus copies and at one point had 250k subs before they expanded the content and brought back players much like SWTOR 75% of the population quit the game because they didn't like it. You can quote numbers back and forth all you want but that won't change the fact that you liked SWG and you felt it was amazing and that's your opinion.

    You don't like what Bioware is doing that's fine I like SWTOR as is, I would have prefered to get the game Bioware wanted to make but ambitious devs over reached with the Hero Engine and got themselves in trouble financially because they were cocky and arrogant and couldn't make it work properly which is where they spent a ton of their money! If EA hadn't pushed it out the door the game may have become vaporware due to them running out of money.

    I didn't like SWG and prefer SWTOR that's my opinion you have an opinion and an agenda that's fine but your opinion is not fact and even the facts you use are ones you pick selectively to prove your point and not the overall picture. Just don't expect everyone to share your opinion and bring it up constantly and uselessly on a forum dedicated to a game that you clearly don't like.....

    My point is it is not just my opinion, it is more fact and people are still playing the game for a short while and quitting after only a few months, but as it is free there are a constant stream of new players to replace the old.

    I liked SWTOR too, but only for a solid few months, not full time like SWG where I played it for the full 8.5 years day in day out and only stopped playing it because it shut down. If you feel you like SWTOR so much that you can keep playing it constantly like I did with SWG all the time it is active, then you are in the minority.

     

    IT IS YOUR OPINION!! You can try and say that it's not but what about all of the players that quit SWG to the point that they decided not to renew the license and the game got shutdown. The players that liked SWG played it for 8.5 years were the minority try and spin it anyway you want it you are a vocal minority more people left your game than played like every other MMORPG ever made the only difference is that SWG started bleeding players quickly due to things like the Holocron Grind and other aspects. If SWG had 1 million subs before any of the changes do you think SOE would have made it no it failed to meet expectations which were about 1 million subs before launch. Your a minority just like your accusing those that really like SWTOR of being. We don't care we don't mind we like our game and are good with it

    As much as you want to say your opinion is fact it's not and never will be it's true for you and people with similar tastes and until you can take accept that fact your will come off as nothing more than a "Pretentious" Troll pushing an agenda on a forum about a game he loves that is gone. 

    I have been in a guild in SWG and SWTOR. NO ONE plays the game any more in SWTOR after only 1 year, but in SWTOR many people kept playing SWG all the way until it shut down.

    It is fact because 75% people quit from the start of SWTOR, and the game is no different since just free to play so any body with a decent PC and internet connection can play without extra expense. If the game did not go F2P it would be deader than SWG by now. 2 mill sales at launch to 500K subs by Nov 2012, at that rate the game would have been lucky to have 50K by Nov 2013

    SWTOR has the longevity of the Mass Effect or Dragon Age series and I would rate them 10/10 but they are no MMO. SWTOR enhances the single player game, not the MMO genre.

    If it was only my opinion then the subs would have least maintained the same of 2 million, from launch, or even rose. Also the Doctors would not have quit, masses of staff would not have been fired, Lucas would not have sold to Disney, and LA would not have shut down. Smedley would not even mention about doing a game for SWG fans. There has been thread after thread about SWG from different people wanting SWG back, but there has not been many topics prasing SWTOR. SWTOR is a lauhing stock of a game, and the Doctors know full well it is, which is why they quit and even got out of the gaming business. They had so many plans for it too - shame

     

  • coorsguyscoorsguys Member Posts: 272

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Member RarePosts: 5,484
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    ... and takes it offline for a whole year for a revamp.

     

    Which changes and additions would you expect for a massive comeback?

    I expect their stock would take a major hit, What's left of Bioware would be closed, and the CEO would be fired.  

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." ~Pogo Possum. 

  • DroosteelDroosteel Member Posts: 138
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    ... and takes it offline for a whole year for a revamp.

     

    Which changes and additions would you expect for a massive comeback?

    I expect their stock would take a major hit, What's left of Bioware would be closed, and the CEO would be fired.  

    afaik, Austin is no longer a part of Bioware, SWTORs debts have pretty much been written off so as far as bean counters are concerned it has a clean slate (and can make "profit") and CEO was already fired :)

  • VolenibbletsVolenibblets Member UncommonPosts: 245
    Originally posted by bobdole1979 

    my point is SWG felt nothing like Star Wars because it was so lore breaking.    

     

    During a time where the Galactic Empire is at the height of its power and there are only 2 Jedi some how there are hundreds of peopel running around with lightsabers right past imperial guards.

     

    Or how about on Degobah which is suppposed to have 0 signs of civiliazation is now a major tourist destination?   For  a reculsive hermit Yoda sure does see a lot of people. 

     

    Or Obi Wan being a Quest NPC for anyone who can hold a lightsaber?  

    The ghettos that surrounded all the major cities

    ]Star Wars Masters of Teras Kasi felt more like Star Wars then SWG

    I think ultimately it comes down to what Star Wars means for you. For me, Star Wars is the intangible atmosphere created in the first few movies (mostly A New Hope and The Empire Strikes back). And I even think that a lot of this was an accident due to these productions being on tight budgets/schedules as this atmosphere was completely absent from the last three gargantuan budget SW movies. There are two features that all the best Sci-Fi imo whether it be early SW, Alien/Aliens, Blade Runner etc. have: 

    1. The feeling of a credible, uncontrived, dirty, lived-in and living universe. Every item, every device, every ship interior every world looks filthy or at least well-used, every dented blaster has a potential storyline in it. Compare that to any of the last three SW movies where everything looks like it fell off a prop assembly line 5 minutes before director shouted 'action!'. Not to mention the pristine look of bad CGI. Nothing in SWTOR looks old, everything seems shiny and new by virtue of the engine and the leaning towards the recent era movies for inspiration - even the desolate jungle Hutta planet!

    2. Nothing is over explained: both A New Hope and The Empire Strikes back begin with no over-explaining so your brain does most of the work and you're hooked. Compare that to the woeful dialogue of the canon-faithful last three movies where all the dialogue exists to shove the storyline down your throat like mush. Again SWTOR stuffs the lore down your gob in long winded, largely uninteresting, voice-acted dialogue till there is no work left for your brain to do. 

    So I'll take atmosphere over canon-faithful lore any day. To me, SWG had both these features (mostly by virtue of a minimalist approach emulating the early movies and player generated content), SWTOR had neither, attempting to bedazzle players with flashy nonsense (with sprinklings of good storyline in between). And that's not even getting into the gameplay aspects of either game.  

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by coorsguys

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

    I don't need to post any links as everyone knows what I posted is facts. Are you saying that SWTOR is not F2P, the Doctors are still working at EA / Bioware, LA is still in operation etc? All these things are a figment of my imagination?

    SWG shut down because of SWTOR, not because it was dead, when it was announced to shut down the game was 4 servers FULL, and did not even get a chance at free to play. Smedley stated that the clousre was down to LA, and LA wanted it closed to enhance SWTORs sales and subs,and did not want people getting confused which Star Wars MMO was which, and also thought people would easily just go play SWTOR instead of SWG.

    Everyone knows that SWTOR was a flop, failure and let down, there are many articles saying so

    The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the most anticipated and biggest MMO launch since Star Wars: The Old Republic. Indeed, many people probably wrote ESO off as another SWTOR in terms of hype and let down, but so far...

     

    Two years ago I felt BioWare were plugging their fingers in their ears when they decided to stubbornly pursue subscriptions with Star Wars: The Old Republic. It was clearly not the right decision for them and you’d think that if the trend itself weren’t enough, the game’s spectacular failure would have really sealed the deal for anyone looking to go subscription-based.

  • coorsguyscoorsguys Member Posts: 272
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

    I don't need to post any links as everyone knows what I posted is facts. Are you saying that SWTOR is not F2P, the Doctors are still working at EA / Bioware, LA is still in operation etc? All these things are a figment of my imagination?

    SWG shut down because of SWTOR, not because it was dead, when it was announced to shut down the game was 4 servers FULL, and did not even get a chance at free to play. Smedley stated that the clousre was down to LA, and LA wanted it closed to enhance SWTORs sales and subs,and did not want people getting confused which Star Wars MMO was which, and also thought people would easily just go play SWTOR instead of SWG.

    Everyone knows that SWTOR was a flop, failure and let down, there are many articles saying so

    The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the most anticipated and biggest MMO launch since Star Wars: The Old Republic. Indeed, many people probably wrote ESO off as another SWTOR in terms of hype and let down, but so far...

     

    Two years ago I felt BioWare were plugging their fingers in their ears when they decided to stubbornly pursue subscriptions with Star Wars: The Old Republic. It was clearly not the right decision for them and you’d think that if the trend itself weren’t enough, the game’s spectacular failure would have really sealed the deal for anyone looking to go subscription-based.

    Ah see you are stuck in the past.  You say Swtor is a failure ?  Your crusades is the only failure.  Swtor has made a turn around that most mmos could never dream of.  Your links are always two-three years old welcome to 2014.  

    For links I was referring to your ignorant comment about how sandbox last forever and players play sandboxes forever and never leave .  Back in '06 swg had 10,000 player playing on a Friday night !  Smed never denied it, but if sandboxes kept all their players as you proclaim to be fact Smeds would have came out with real numbers HE DIDNT!!

     

    see your opinions are just that opinions .  See I could make ignorant opinions too for EXAMPLE I bet your so stuck on swg cause you lost your marriage, lost your job and lost everything because of swg now you are just flaming Swtor in attempts to justify everything you lost.  According to you I don't need links to prove any of that...

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by coorsguys
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

    I don't need to post any links as everyone knows what I posted is facts. Are you saying that SWTOR is not F2P, the Doctors are still working at EA / Bioware, LA is still in operation etc? All these things are a figment of my imagination?

    SWG shut down because of SWTOR, not because it was dead, when it was announced to shut down the game was 4 servers FULL, and did not even get a chance at free to play. Smedley stated that the clousre was down to LA, and LA wanted it closed to enhance SWTORs sales and subs,and did not want people getting confused which Star Wars MMO was which, and also thought people would easily just go play SWTOR instead of SWG.

    Everyone knows that SWTOR was a flop, failure and let down, there are many articles saying so

    The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the most anticipated and biggest MMO launch since Star Wars: The Old Republic. Indeed, many people probably wrote ESO off as another SWTOR in terms of hype and let down, but so far...

     

    Two years ago I felt BioWare were plugging their fingers in their ears when they decided to stubbornly pursue subscriptions with Star Wars: The Old Republic. It was clearly not the right decision for them and you’d think that if the trend itself weren’t enough, the game’s spectacular failure would have really sealed the deal for anyone looking to go subscription-based.

    Ah see you are stuck in the past.  You say Swtor is a failure ?  Your crusades is the only failure.  Swtor has made a turn around that most mmos could never dream of.  Your links are always two-three years old welcome to 2014.  

    For links I was referring to your ignorant comment about how sandbox last forever and players play sandboxes forever and never leave .  Back in '06 swg had 10,000 player playing on a Friday night !  Smed never denied it, but if sandboxes kept all their players as you proclaim to be fact Smeds would have came out with real numbers HE DIDNT!!

     

    see your opinions are just that opinions .  See I could make ignorant opinions too for EXAMPLE I bet your so stuck on swg cause you lost your marriage, lost your job and lost everything because of swg now you are just flaming Swtor in attempts to justify everything you lost.  According to you I don't need links to prove any of that...

    Yeah not much point wasting time providing links when you do not bother with them, as if you had you would see that one was from August 2013, and the other April 2014, not 2-3 years ago as you claim. Both people still feel that SWTOR was a "let down" / "spectactular failure". If they thought the game had turned around and is now a success they would not have said that.

    SWG havinbg 10k subs was pretty good considering that was when the game was ripped apart with the NGE and at its lowest point, it picked up after 2006 with tonnes more features and content being added.  It was still a subscription based MMO and not free. SWTOR would not have had that many subs after 3 years, if it stayed a subbed based MMO into next year, going by the rate of decline of subs in 2011

  • coorsguyscoorsguys Member Posts: 272
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

    I don't need to post any links as everyone knows what I posted is facts. Are you saying that SWTOR is not F2P, the Doctors are still working at EA / Bioware, LA is still in operation etc? All these things are a figment of my imagination?

    SWG shut down because of SWTOR, not because it was dead, when it was announced to shut down the game was 4 servers FULL, and did not even get a chance at free to play. Smedley stated that the clousre was down to LA, and LA wanted it closed to enhance SWTORs sales and subs,and did not want people getting confused which Star Wars MMO was which, and also thought people would easily just go play SWTOR instead of SWG.

    Everyone knows that SWTOR was a flop, failure and let down, there are many articles saying so

    The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the most anticipated and biggest MMO launch since Star Wars: The Old Republic. Indeed, many people probably wrote ESO off as another SWTOR in terms of hype and let down, but so far...

     

    Two years ago I felt BioWare were plugging their fingers in their ears when they decided to stubbornly pursue subscriptions with Star Wars: The Old Republic. It was clearly not the right decision for them and you’d think that if the trend itself weren’t enough, the game’s spectacular failure would have really sealed the deal for anyone looking to go subscription-based.

    Ah see you are stuck in the past.  You say Swtor is a failure ?  Your crusades is the only failure.  Swtor has made a turn around that most mmos could never dream of.  Your links are always two-three years old welcome to 2014.  

    For links I was referring to your ignorant comment about how sandbox last forever and players play sandboxes forever and never leave .  Back in '06 swg had 10,000 player playing on a Friday night !  Smed never denied it, but if sandboxes kept all their players as you proclaim to be fact Smeds would have came out with real numbers HE DIDNT!!

     

    see your opinions are just that opinions .  See I could make ignorant opinions too for EXAMPLE I bet your so stuck on swg cause you lost your marriage, lost your job and lost everything because of swg now you are just flaming Swtor in attempts to justify everything you lost.  According to you I don't need links to prove any of that...

    Yeah not much point wasting time providing links when you do not bother with them, as if you had you would see that one was from August 2013, and the other April 2014, not 2-3 years ago as you claim. Both people still feel that SWTOR was a "let down" / "spectactular failure". If they thought the game had turned around and is now a success they would not have said that.

    SWG havinbg 10k subs was pretty good considering that was when the game was ripped apart with the NGE and at its lowest point, it picked up after 2006 with tonnes more features and content being added.  It was still a subscription based MMO and not free. SWTOR would not have had that many subs after 3 years, if it stayed a subbed based MMO into next year, going by the rate of decline of subs in 2011

     

    So let me get this straight...SWG was doing great with 10k subs and Swtor is a failure with 300-500k ( more than swg could ever dream of ).  Yeah it's very clear you have one purpose when coming to a Swtor thread .  To spread absolute garbage, nonsense, bias, and inaccurate information.  From all the Swtor players we are so very sorry your precious swg closed...wait no we ain't it's a hoot watching the desperate old swg squirm cause Swtor is doing pretty good and their dreams of it failing have fallen flat !
  • bobdole1979bobdole1979 Member Posts: 210
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

    I don't need to post any links as everyone knows what I posted is facts. Are you saying that SWTOR is not F2P, the Doctors are still working at EA / Bioware, LA is still in operation etc? All these things are a figment of my imagination?

    SWG shut down because of SWTOR, not because it was dead, when it was announced to shut down the game was 4 servers FULL, and did not even get a chance at free to play. Smedley stated that the clousre was down to LA, and LA wanted it closed to enhance SWTORs sales and subs,and did not want people getting confused which Star Wars MMO was which, and also thought people would easily just go play SWTOR instead of SWG.

    Everyone knows that SWTOR was a flop, failure and let down, there are many articles saying so

    The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the most anticipated and biggest MMO launch since Star Wars: The Old Republic. Indeed, many people probably wrote ESO off as another SWTOR in terms of hype and let down, but so far...

     

    Two years ago I felt BioWare were plugging their fingers in their ears when they decided to stubbornly pursue subscriptions with Star Wars: The Old Republic. It was clearly not the right decision for them and you’d think that if the trend itself weren’t enough, the game’s spectacular failure would have really sealed the deal for anyone looking to go subscription-based.

    ummmmmm I take it you haven't been paying attntion.  ESO is doing far worse then SWTOR did.  

     

    Yeah I wouldn't trust the authors of MMORPG to know what they are talking about.

     

    SWTOR has 1 million players and last year had the revenue from having 1.2 million subscribers for a whole year.   That doesnt sound like a failure to me.

  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,061
    Clearly some people were not taught the simple difference between Fact and Opinion so here it goes...

    FACT: SWG Shut down.
    FACT: TOR lost subs after release and went FTP

    Both statements happened and can be proven to be true.


    OPINION: TOR is better/worse than SWG

    Completely objective with no way to prove to be true. The features that you found so great and dazzling in SWG or TOR could mean diddly squat to someone else.Nothing wrong with using that in an argument to explain WHY YOU THINK your game is better,but that does not make it a universal fact.

    Class dissmissed. ;)

    Currently Playing: World of Warcraft

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Member RarePosts: 5,484
    Originally posted by Droosteel
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    ... and takes it offline for a whole year for a revamp.

     

    Which changes and additions would you expect for a massive comeback?

    I expect their stock would take a major hit, What's left of Bioware would be closed, and the CEO would be fired.  

    afaik, Austin is no longer a part of Bioware, SWTORs debts have pretty much been written off so as far as bean counters are concerned it has a clean slate (and can make "profit") and CEO was already fired :)

    Okay so their stock would take a major hit, they would fire a bunch of people in Austin, close down what's left of Bioware, and fire the new CEO. Having written off as much as they have already risking another 100 million wouldn't be a popular idea with the stockholders. 

    "We have met the enemy and he is us." ~Pogo Possum. 

  • Fenrir767Fenrir767 Member Posts: 595
    So post an actual factual article describing SWTOR's situation in the market, citing referenced numbers and not op/ed pieces written by game journalists that can contain bias merely to drive up conversation and page views. Or you can continue your crusade like the arrogant pretentious poster you claim to not be but clearly are.

    I think the later is more likely.
  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405

    100 million wouldn't be enough for the developers of this game to break free from the bad choices of past, present, and invariably the future. It's a fun game for a while but the wheels fall off pretty fast and it's obvious you are doing the same few things over and over again. SWTOR is an OCD dream, where you can repeat The Esseles at 50th level in case you didn't run it enough times at 11th.

     

    The delay of the newest expansion is actually a good thing because it seems they are doing it to make it more feature rich. I doubt it will be enough to make the housing and guild ships a really deep addition, but it will be fun for a while.

     

    If they had 100 million they would make more cash shop skins, and find new ways to continue the transformation from 4th pillar to Arena/Lobby PVP game.

    Like the oft mentioned SWG, this ship has sailed. It's making them money, but the soul of the thing departed a long time ago.

    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
  • GrummusGrummus Member UncommonPosts: 134
    Originally posted by DocBrody

    ... and takes it offline for a whole year for a revamp.

     

    Which changes and additions would you expect for a massive comeback?

     

    Open world.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by coorsguys
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by coorsguys

    @sng ;

    You used the term  "fact" until you post a link and show us your supporting info to back up your "fact" everything you say is your bias, uninformed, opinion.  Here let me show you how it's done.

    Swg closed!!!!! FACT IT SHUT DOWN!!!

    http://m.pcgamer.com/2011/12/16/the-end-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/exclusive-smedley-on-the-sunsetting-of-star-wars-galaxies/

    See the above are called links they are supporting information to back up my " FACT" that swg CLOSED THREE YEARS AGO!!

    You seriously need to move on dude swg was not that good, your precious sandboxes do not last forever in fact they close just like theme parks in "FACT" swg was a sandbox and that CLOSED!  Here is a link to prove that is a FACT!

    http://kotaku.com/5815354/star-wars-galaxies-is-dead/all

    See in one post I provided more facts and links then you ever have on a Swtor post.  You need to move on it's been three years since your precious closed it's not healthy to still be this distraught about a VIDEO GAME !

    Again it's not fact unless you post links or information to back up your ignorant statements. 

    I don't need to post any links as everyone knows what I posted is facts. Are you saying that SWTOR is not F2P, the Doctors are still working at EA / Bioware, LA is still in operation etc? All these things are a figment of my imagination?

    SWG shut down because of SWTOR, not because it was dead, when it was announced to shut down the game was 4 servers FULL, and did not even get a chance at free to play. Smedley stated that the clousre was down to LA, and LA wanted it closed to enhance SWTORs sales and subs,and did not want people getting confused which Star Wars MMO was which, and also thought people would easily just go play SWTOR instead of SWG.

    Everyone knows that SWTOR was a flop, failure and let down, there are many articles saying so

    The Elder Scrolls Online is easily the most anticipated and biggest MMO launch since Star Wars: The Old Republic. Indeed, many people probably wrote ESO off as another SWTOR in terms of hype and let down, but so far...

     

    Two years ago I felt BioWare were plugging their fingers in their ears when they decided to stubbornly pursue subscriptions with Star Wars: The Old Republic. It was clearly not the right decision for them and you’d think that if the trend itself weren’t enough, the game’s spectacular failure would have really sealed the deal for anyone looking to go subscription-based.

    Ah see you are stuck in the past.  You say Swtor is a failure ?  Your crusades is the only failure.  Swtor has made a turn around that most mmos could never dream of.  Your links are always two-three years old welcome to 2014.  

    For links I was referring to your ignorant comment about how sandbox last forever and players play sandboxes forever and never leave .  Back in '06 swg had 10,000 player playing on a Friday night !  Smed never denied it, but if sandboxes kept all their players as you proclaim to be fact Smeds would have came out with real numbers HE DIDNT!!

     

    see your opinions are just that opinions .  See I could make ignorant opinions too for EXAMPLE I bet your so stuck on swg cause you lost your marriage, lost your job and lost everything because of swg now you are just flaming Swtor in attempts to justify everything you lost.  According to you I don't need links to prove any of that...

    Yeah not much point wasting time providing links when you do not bother with them, as if you had you would see that one was from August 2013, and the other April 2014, not 2-3 years ago as you claim. Both people still feel that SWTOR was a "let down" / "spectactular failure". If they thought the game had turned around and is now a success they would not have said that.

    SWG havinbg 10k subs was pretty good considering that was when the game was ripped apart with the NGE and at its lowest point, it picked up after 2006 with tonnes more features and content being added.  It was still a subscription based MMO and not free. SWTOR would not have had that many subs after 3 years, if it stayed a subbed based MMO into next year, going by the rate of decline of subs in 2011

     

    So let me get this straight...SWG was doing great with 10k subs and Swtor is a failure with 300-500k ( more than swg could ever dream of ).  Yeah it's very clear you have one purpose when coming to a Swtor thread .  To spread absolute garbage, nonsense, bias, and inaccurate information.  From all the Swtor players we are so very sorry your precious swg closed...wait no we ain't it's a hoot watching the desperate old swg squirm cause Swtor is doing pretty good and their dreams of it failing have fallen flat !

    If SWTOR did not go F2P, it would not have had 300-500K after 3 years

    The point you keep missing is that SWG was P2P, SWTOR is F2P. SWG dseserved ZERO subs in 2006 to boycott the stupid NGE, but at least the devs put effort into the game 24/7 to get it back on track. All F2P games get millions of people, and Clone Wars Adventures managed to get 10 million, and that was even worse than SWTOR so 300-500k in F2P is pathetic

  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    making a martyr out of SWG was the dumbest thing that EA did (via pressure from Lucasarts as applied to SOE). They created a ready-made contingent of malcontents bent on revenge with SWTOR as the only available target.
    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
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