Originally posted by Gestankfaust Saying a game is very bad...when you know it isn't is a lie. Any other opinion comes from and agenda. Only Asshats spit forth false opinions. Just funny to see an argument here about this...as if it had "sides" to the argument.
Ofcourse there are sides. Its called good and bad. And both are valid opinions.
Don't know why you are getting so upset though. Hardly any need for name calling.
What name calling? If you are blatantly labeling a game as something you have no idea about or have an agenda against....you are a moron.
Why are why we so afraid of calling out such people now days?
Because it makes you look like an immature brat? now if someone abused your mother i would understand your outburst but over video game? nah not cool.
And on top of that its against forum rules to indulge in name calling.
Yes others think ESO is a bad game... you act as if that is a shocker or something. Not everyone likes the same thing.
You have issues.....if a person is a liar...then they are called a liar. How this makes me seem like an immature brat falls on you I spose.
Anyone that says a game like ESO is a terrible game...is a liar...PERIOD! You can not like it, but the "opinion" stops there.
i think there are design choices and elements of ESO that are bad, i also think that some things are kind of fun. i'm going to be playing the game anyway in like 9.5 hours or whatever it is now... i am not lying some of the game is bad some of it is ok, it's my opinion, it doesnt make me a liar.
I do not think you are a liar ... just a person who chooses their words and methods of expression poorly. That is far worse and you fail to see it. To be a liar you must first know the truth. They at least have that going for them.
that is by far the worst reply ever, i know how i feel about certain aspects of the game and that is my truth. i express myself fine, i find some elements good and bad, that is the truth in my opinion.
Then express yourself better. How other interpret you is the key ... not how you know you feel. This is the key to communication. Saying something "sucks" globally is the practice of a child. I in fact likely gave you the best reply you ever read as I was trying to convey to you the essence to why you continue to argue with people here without resolving any point you bring forward.
You continue to portray opinion as fact through blanket accusations like the game "sucks" or is "bad" without explanation. That is your mistake. How is something bad? Does it not work? Does it steal your money or give you wedgies? You imply something bad is bad for everyone. How does it suck? Does not do what you want it to do? Do you prefer licking? Using slang or insult is universally a poor choice of expression.
Lol, I could care less if it s F2P, I think the game is crap. I m so confused how people can t see that not everyone will like TESO, lol.
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
Who cares? its none of their business as to what an individual likes or dislikes. As long as he is not deciding for you (what you should like or dislike) a person has the right to say something is terrible or crap.
Like i said earlier. My girlfriend simply refused to play ESO with me given that we always play together. She said it was a terrible MMO. Its her opinion..who am i to say its a bad form. She is not hurting anyone now is she?
Fans really need to cool down (not saying you). People who go completely cuckoo when someone says something negative about their game gives rest of us normal fans a bad name.
Labeling them as trolls, F2P trolls or whatever labels fans like to give.. is not cool.
I am not bothered if someone says game is crap because i know we are all different. It is a grown up thing.
Lol, I could care less if it s F2P, I think the game is crap. I m so confused how people can t see that not everyone will like TESO, lol.
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
Who cares? its none of their business as to what an individual likes or dislikes. As long as he is not deciding for you (what you should like or dislike) a person has the right to say something is terrible or crap.
Like i said earlier. My girlfriend simply refused to play ESO with me given that we always play together. She said it was a terrible MMO. Its her opinion..who am i to say its a bad form. She is not hurting anyone now is she?
Fans really need to cool down (not saying you). People who go completely cuckoo when someone says something negative about their game gives rest of us normal fans a bad name.
Labeling them as trolls, F2P trolls or whatever labels fans like to give.. is not cool.
I am not bothered if someone says game is crap because i know we are all different. It is a grown up thing.
The guy said he was confused.... I explained the problem people were having with his choice of words. I'd also point out that your girlfriend said that in a situation between you and her, so of course there's not much reason or need, nor possible intriguing result in asking for clarification in such a situation. That's a bit different than adding your thoughts to a group discussion like this.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Gestankfaust Saying a game is very bad...when you know it isn't is a lie. Any other opinion comes from and agenda. Only Asshats spit forth false opinions. Just funny to see an argument here about this...as if it had "sides" to the argument.
Ofcourse there are sides. Its called good and bad. And both are valid opinions.
Don't know why you are getting so upset though. Hardly any need for name calling.
What name calling? If you are blatantly labeling a game as something you have no idea about or have an agenda against....you are a moron.
Why are why we so afraid of calling out such people now days?
Because it makes you look like an immature brat? now if someone abused your mother i would understand your outburst but over video game? nah not cool.
And on top of that its against forum rules to indulge in name calling.
Yes others think ESO is a bad game... you act as if that is a shocker or something. Not everyone likes the same thing.
You have issues.....if a person is a liar...then they are called a liar. How this makes me seem like an immature brat falls on you I spose.
Anyone that says a game like ESO is a terrible game...is a liar...PERIOD! You can not like it, but the "opinion" stops there.
i think there are design choices and elements of ESO that are bad, i also think that some things are kind of fun. i'm going to be playing the game anyway in like 9.5 hours or whatever it is now... i am not lying some of the game is bad some of it is ok, it's my opinion, it doesnt make me a liar.
I do not think you are a liar ... just a person who chooses their words and methods of expression poorly. That is far worse and you fail to see it. To be a liar you must first know the truth. They at least have that going for them.
that is by far the worst reply ever, i know how i feel about certain aspects of the game and that is my truth. i express myself fine, i find some elements good and bad, that is the truth in my opinion.
Then express yourself better. How other interpret you is the key ... not how you know you feel. This is the key to communication. Saying something "sucks" globally is the practice of a child. I in fact likely gave you the best reply you ever read as I was trying to convey to you the essence to why you continue to argue with people here without resolving any point you bring forward.
You continue to portray opinion as fact through blanket accusations like the game "sucks" or is "bad" without explanation. That is your mistake. How is something bad? Does it not work? Does it steal your money or give you wedgies? You imply something bad is bad for everyone. How does it suck? Does not do what you want it to do? Do you prefer licking? Using slang or insult is universally a poor choice of expression.
what? the reply to you made about my expression of opinion was literally the first post i made in this thread.
I never expressed thats what is bad to me is bad to others, i never went into detail about what aspects i do or dont like, i merely said in my opinion there are some aspects of the game i find good and bad. my communication is fine, you're confused with whom you are replying to.
Like i said earlier. My girlfriend simply refused to play ESO with me given that we always play together. She said it was a terrible MMO. Its her opinion..who am i to say its a bad form. She is not hurting anyone now is she?
I'd worry less about what people say ...and get a new girlfriend
Lol, I could care less if it s F2P, I think the game is crap. I m so confused how people can t see that not everyone will like TESO, lol.
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
Who cares? its none of their business as to what an individual likes or dislikes. As long as he is not deciding for you (what you should like or dislike) a person has the right to say something is terrible or crap.
Like i said earlier. My girlfriend simply refused to play ESO with me given that we always play together. She said it was a terrible MMO. Its her opinion..who am i to say its a bad form. She is not hurting anyone now is she?
Fans really need to cool down (not saying you). People who go completely cuckoo when someone says something negative about their game gives rest of us normal fans a bad name.
Labeling them as trolls, F2P trolls or whatever labels fans like to give.. is not cool.
I am not bothered if someone says game is crap because i know we are all different. It is a grown up thing.
Who cares? its none of their business as to what an individual likes or dislikes. As long as he is not deciding for you (what you should like or dislike) a person has the right to say something is terrible or crap.
This part really deserves it's own reply... You're on a public forum, you're offering your opinion up as a continuation of a topic when ever you make a post. You can say what you want, just as anyone can say what they want in response to what you said. It's an open discussion other than chosen topic (stay on topic) <---not that people care about doing that... This is a thread simply telling people to have fun after all, yet here we are discussing this..
Point is, you are forgetting where you are, this isn't some conversation in passing between a GF and BF or a couple friends. What you say and how you say it are the key to all of this...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Like i said earlier. My girlfriend simply refused to play ESO with me given that we always play together. She said it was a terrible MMO. Its her opinion..who am i to say its a bad form. She is not hurting anyone now is she?
I'd worry less about what people say ...and get a new girlfriend
Who cares? its none of their business as to what an individual likes or dislikes. As long as he is not deciding for you (what you should like or dislike) a person has the right to say something is terrible or crap.
This part really deserves it's own reply... You're on a public forum, you're offering your opinion up as a continuation of a topic when ever you make a post. You can say what you want, just as anyone can say what they want in response to what you said. It's an open discussion other than chosen topic (stay on topic) <---not that people care about doing that... This is a thread simply telling people to have fun after all, yet here we are discussing this..
Point is, you are forgetting where you are, this isn't some conversation in passing between a GF and BF or a couple friends. What you say and how you say it are the key to all of this...
I bet no matter how one says that they dislike this game or its terrible someone is gonna flip out regardless. So yeah a person can try but he is not going to get far.
The whole discussion was about one individual saying that 'anyone who says this game is terrible are liars, morons, asshats etc etc'. You cant have a civil discussions with people like these who are so emotionally vested in a video game.
I hope the consumers have fun, but I hope there is never another game like this, there is to much wrong with it. From money grab to poor design to bad animations to an unjustifiable monthly cost - the consumers are driving this, and unfortunately the acceptance for mediocrity is driving me away. I'm due for a new hobby anyhow, I guess I can't help but think about life before microtransactions and dlc.
I cannot stand when people say unjustifiable monthly cost..as if you deserve to get games for free. Companies dont have to justify costs of any game. Its a product. you have to buy it period. MMOs have always had subs so stop acting like its some new thing cause its not. If you want a good MMO you pay for it to survive and grow.
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Originally posted by Gestankfaust Saying a game is very bad...when you know it isn't is a lie. Any other opinion comes from and agenda. Only Asshats spit forth false opinions. Just funny to see an argument here about this...as if it had "sides" to the argument.
Ofcourse there are sides. Its called good and bad. And both are valid opinions.
Don't know why you are getting so upset though. Hardly any need for name calling.
Seems a fine line between being a martyr and an instigator in your case ....if your wooden spoon breaks you won't be able to stir the pot anymore
Yes the guy who doesn't want to take anyone's side is the instigator. I am against bullying of people for simply saying that game is bad.
Now you can spin what i say into anything you like. But i am not going to turn into a zombie fan of ESO who is devoid of any prudence and sensible reasoning.
I like though how you always run to defend fans of the game no mater how bad their behavior is. You are the last person i want any kind of advice from but still.../thank you
Or how you run to defend false opinions of the game. All I did was say that "ESO is a terrible game" was a false opinion from a person that obviously had an agenda against the game....yet there you were to defend the "opinion"
Did i call you a moron or asshat for giving your opinion? nope i didn't. So please i am not into any camp of haters and fanboys. I believe that everyone should have the right to say a game is good or bad without either side sniffing for blood.
lol...you are so getting bent over me saying that people are morons that think ESO is terrible. Well...they are. But you getting so excited about it amuses me. Never called you a name. Guess I don't need to though huh?
No...It's not a terrible game. If you think so, you are a moron. Terrible games are easy to spot and are not played by many. You know what I am talking about...so does everyone else. To say a game is "terrible" means something. Something no real MMO player can say about ESO whether you like it or not. When you realize this, you'll finally get it.
Can we say it is mediocre? Or are we only allowed to say it is a good game but "not for me?"
I bet no matter how one says that they dislike this game or its terrible someone is gonna flip out regardless. So yeah a person can try but he is not going to get far.
The whole discussion was about one individual saying that 'anyone who says this game is terrible are liars, morons, asshats etc etc'. You cant have a civil discussions with people like these who are so emotionally vested in a video game.
I don't disagree, the opposite also applies ( the same goes for the positive end of the spectrum). There are always going to be people who take what you said to whole other levels you never even implied in an attempt to sour the conversation... It's just the way it is in places like this.
I just want to say some people really do get angry about this type of thing, IE calling everything you dislike crap. It's a myopic view, it's a common thing for humans to look down on that type of attitude. Granted that doesn't excuse calling people Morons or idiots for sharing such views, that's certainly worse behavior and contradicts any posturing of a higher ground.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
oh and what i just said is fact..burden of proof is the accuser
lol...wha?.
You trying to be all mysterious? The burden lies with you...and you failed like the others. The game is being released to many thousands. Just like I said....you need to have something real to sway real players of a game. So get real or get lost
All i have is the truth..your buying GW2 in ES clothing...buy it... play it, in 2 months you will agree. you haven't stated anything, other than defending a game that hasn't even revealed itself to you..it has to me..same with 13 months of Wildstar, same crap, different name. Like i said, if your about the themepark, rock on with it. Us old timers expect more of the industry..and thankfully its swaying that way
All i have is the truth..your buying GW2 in ES clothing...buy it... play it, in 2 months you will agree. you haven't stated anything, other than defending a game that hasn't even revealed itself to you..it has to me..same with 13 months of Wildstar, same crap, different name. Like i said, if your about the themepark, rock on with it. Us old timers expect more of the industry..and thankfully its swaying that way
Who is this US? I thought we went over this GW2 "truth" once already? I take it you weren't comfortable calling everyone Noobs and "Non-noobs"??:P
Now it's just like Wildstar? Except in name?
Niceguy... This is an example of unreasonable points...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I don't know about you...It's generally considered bad form where I come from to consider something crap because it's not to your tastes. WOW is a game I dislike, that doesn't make it a bad game, to think so would make me a rather self centered person IMO. It's just not my style. Another example being, I don't like country music, nor gansta rap, yet there are many acts who perform such music who have great talent. It's not hard to look past preference and see quality. It's really not about liking different things, it's about seeing past your own personal beliefs when judging things. Regardless of the styles you prefer. Anything else is putting far too much weight behind your own opinion.
Except that everyone here does like MMOs. Most of them even like themepark MMOs (so you cant distinguish that they like different types of MMO). Which means that they honestly think that the game is of poor quality - not that it is high quality but just not appealing to them.
You might disagree, as others have said, even quality is subjective. Your view of what makes a quality MMO might be different to theirs. Your view of what makes a quality house might be different to mine. The bottom line is that people are free to say that they feel this game is of poor quality, and not have it disputed as simply not being to their taste.
For instance, I think the animations are the worst thing I have seen since TSW. Does this make the game simply not to my taste? Well I suppose if there is some group of players who appreciates poor quality animations, then you could say so. I also think that the quest dialogue is very poorly written. Again, this isn't a taste issue, I love fantasy themed RPGs, and I love lore and quests - so my issue isn't with taste, its with quality.
Anyway, again its all subjective. Just pointing out that having a different opinion isn't always based on taste, its also based on perception of quality. Hope everyone who thinks the game is good enjoys the launch.
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Then express yourself better. How other interpret you is the key ... not how you know you feel. This is the key to communication. Saying something "sucks" globally is the practice of a child. I in fact likely gave you the best reply you ever read as I was trying to convey to you the essence to why you continue to argue with people here without resolving any point you bring forward.
You continue to portray opinion as fact through blanket accusations like the game "sucks" or is "bad" without explanation. That is your mistake. How is something bad? Does it not work? Does it steal your money or give you wedgies? You imply something bad is bad for everyone. How does it suck? Does not do what you want it to do? Do you prefer licking? Using slang or insult is universally a poor choice of expression.
You stay sassy!
Who cares? its none of their business as to what an individual likes or dislikes. As long as he is not deciding for you (what you should like or dislike) a person has the right to say something is terrible or crap.
Like i said earlier. My girlfriend simply refused to play ESO with me given that we always play together. She said it was a terrible MMO. Its her opinion..who am i to say its a bad form. She is not hurting anyone now is she?
Fans really need to cool down (not saying you). People who go completely cuckoo when someone says something negative about their game gives rest of us normal fans a bad name.
Labeling them as trolls, F2P trolls or whatever labels fans like to give.. is not cool.
I am not bothered if someone says game is crap because i know we are all different. It is a grown up thing.
The guy said he was confused.... I explained the problem people were having with his choice of words. I'd also point out that your girlfriend said that in a situation between you and her, so of course there's not much reason or need, nor possible intriguing result in asking for clarification in such a situation. That's a bit different than adding your thoughts to a group discussion like this.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
what? the reply to you made about my expression of opinion was literally the first post i made in this thread.
I never expressed thats what is bad to me is bad to others, i never went into detail about what aspects i do or dont like, i merely said in my opinion there are some aspects of the game i find good and bad. my communication is fine, you're confused with whom you are replying to.
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This part really deserves it's own reply... You're on a public forum, you're offering your opinion up as a continuation of a topic when ever you make a post. You can say what you want, just as anyone can say what they want in response to what you said. It's an open discussion other than chosen topic (stay on topic) <---not that people care about doing that... This is a thread simply telling people to have fun after all, yet here we are discussing this..
Point is, you are forgetting where you are, this isn't some conversation in passing between a GF and BF or a couple friends. What you say and how you say it are the key to all of this...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You cant be serious..its just a game you know?
I bet no matter how one says that they dislike this game or its terrible someone is gonna flip out regardless. So yeah a person can try but he is not going to get far.
The whole discussion was about one individual saying that 'anyone who says this game is terrible are liars, morons, asshats etc etc'. You cant have a civil discussions with people like these who are so emotionally vested in a video game.
I cannot stand when people say unjustifiable monthly cost..as if you deserve to get games for free. Companies dont have to justify costs of any game. Its a product. you have to buy it period. MMOs have always had subs so stop acting like its some new thing cause its not. If you want a good MMO you pay for it to survive and grow.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Can we say it is mediocre? Or are we only allowed to say it is a good game but "not for me?"
I don't disagree, the opposite also applies ( the same goes for the positive end of the spectrum). There are always going to be people who take what you said to whole other levels you never even implied in an attempt to sour the conversation... It's just the way it is in places like this.
I just want to say some people really do get angry about this type of thing, IE calling everything you dislike crap. It's a myopic view, it's a common thing for humans to look down on that type of attitude. Granted that doesn't excuse calling people Morons or idiots for sharing such views, that's certainly worse behavior and contradicts any posturing of a higher ground.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It doesn't matter what you say if you have reasonable points to back it up.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
All i have is the truth..your buying GW2 in ES clothing...buy it... play it, in 2 months you will agree. you haven't stated anything, other than defending a game that hasn't even revealed itself to you..it has to me..same with 13 months of Wildstar, same crap, different name. Like i said, if your about the themepark, rock on with it. Us old timers expect more of the industry..and thankfully its swaying that way
Who is this US? I thought we went over this GW2 "truth" once already? I take it you weren't comfortable calling everyone Noobs and "Non-noobs"??:P
Now it's just like Wildstar? Except in name?
Niceguy... This is an example of unreasonable points...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm not trolling or being sarcastic. I hope it's a great launch and many enjoy the game.
Except that everyone here does like MMOs. Most of them even like themepark MMOs (so you cant distinguish that they like different types of MMO). Which means that they honestly think that the game is of poor quality - not that it is high quality but just not appealing to them.
You might disagree, as others have said, even quality is subjective. Your view of what makes a quality MMO might be different to theirs. Your view of what makes a quality house might be different to mine. The bottom line is that people are free to say that they feel this game is of poor quality, and not have it disputed as simply not being to their taste.
For instance, I think the animations are the worst thing I have seen since TSW. Does this make the game simply not to my taste? Well I suppose if there is some group of players who appreciates poor quality animations, then you could say so. I also think that the quest dialogue is very poorly written. Again, this isn't a taste issue, I love fantasy themed RPGs, and I love lore and quests - so my issue isn't with taste, its with quality.
Anyway, again its all subjective. Just pointing out that having a different opinion isn't always based on taste, its also based on perception of quality. Hope everyone who thinks the game is good enjoys the launch.