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I had no idea, went to their site today to check out the progress cause someone told me the dev's just posted an update - and it's another lame assed intanced game, not an MMO at all. I feel sorry for the people that are waiting for this & are expecting an MMO cause they ain't gonna get one - rofl.
I was sceptical about the dev team background not being from the MMO world but now it all makes sense they never intended to release an MMO - n00bs.
-Adam
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You sound more like you're trying to convince yourself this game is going to suck than anything else. This game will rock and you know it.
I was really into the idea of G&H but having played Guild Wars, I just can't stand instanced worlds they are so very, very poor.
But we'll see if G&H has the same model as GW i.e. they sell the box and entry is free then I would buy it for sure. But if they're expecting to offload an instanced game as an MMO with monthly fee I won't be buying it & I think they'll die very quickly as people just won't accept paying full price for a cut down MMO.
-Adam
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Yeah, instancing will kill it. I have been really looking forward to it, but if they have instancing, I wont play it. This is already a...ummm...cant think of the word...non-big game? What I mean is that this game does not have a big lable (ie Sony). It is not based off a big movie or popular game. It is what some guy thought would be a good subject (and is) and he thought to make a game out of it. They better get everything right because, if just a few small things go wrong, the game will die.
The whole minion thing is a great idea, however. I hope they get it right the first time.
Wow I'm glad Jared just stepped upm and proclaimed himself, "He who knows what all gamers want." Wait a minute! I'm a "gamer" and I do not mind some instancing if it is done correctly. Hmmm I guess you do not know what all gamers want and what will make a good game.
And Yes I was feeling particularly sarcastic tonight
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
What's so bad about Instancing? Instance dungeons can be great cuz you dont have to worry about another party running up and stealing a key spawn. Or a pair of pre-teen griefers aggravating your party.
And Jared correct me if I'm wrong but you said that another mark against this game is that it's not being made by a big name company such as Sony. In my book thats a plus. I've seen what so called "Big Name" companies can do to a game such as EQ2 and SWG. Verant wasnt big when they introduced EQ1 to the world and the game was a huge success. It took a "Big Name" company to come along and turn it more into a "business" and less a game. "Big Name" companies tend to be bad for mmorpg's because they're more concerned about profit margins and less about gaming.
Instancing gets rid of human interaction- it turns an MMO into a 1-8 player game with a 3D chat room and, being that many single player games implement a funtion like that alread for free (Guild Wars, Mechwarrior, Diablo, etc.) it would make financial sense not to bother with 1-8 player games just because they have a 3D chat system. Give me a text-based chat room to find players and instance me in for free instead.
Yuck.
-W.
My question here is how widespread is the instancing? Is most of the world instanced with a few social centers to justify the 'massive'?
Or are there going to be several 'dungeons' that are instanced for a single party only, ala Gnomeragan or the VC instances in WoW?
If the latter, then I see nothing wrong with it. It allows that party to have a copy of the dungeon all to themselves, ensuring that EVERYONE that plays the game has a shot at the XP and loot in said dungeon, without having to wait forever and a day for a re-spawn, only to get up for a soda and come back to find out that some other party squeezed ahead. Besides, those of you that are saying that you won't play a game that has instances are SOL. Instances aren't going anywhere.
"First you wanna kill me, now you wanna kiss me...Blow."--Ash, "Army of Darkness"
Yep, I'd like to know what the level and circumstances of instancing will be in this game? Anyone know?
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I disagree. I think developers are trying to see what people are looking for. I' finding many games are stepping away from the instanced and more towards the persistant (only using instances where appropriate).
-W.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
Too much instancing ala GW sucks. It ruins immersion and defeats the point of playing a MMOG. Might as well play a single box via Lan.
Ps. I hate RV because of their proposed revenue system and misleading promotion of game mechanics, so am not a RV fanboi bashing G&H.
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Hello everyone,
I think y'all need to sit back, take a deeeeeeeep breath, and ask yourselves one question before this discussion goes any further: "Does anyone really know exactly what role instancing is going to have in this game?" You will realize that the answer is, of course, No. Everyone is commenting based on conjecture and guesswork.
If the game winds up being in the mold of Guild Wars, I surmise that most people will not put up with a monthly subscription. If, however, it turns out that it is a for-real MMOG where the only instancing is dungeons, then we have a totally different story. There are many good reasons for an instanced dungeon.
Ultimately, however, I think that the verbal dueling that takes place on these forums based on one or two sentences that the devs have given us is really well, retarded. You simply don't know what the thing is going to be like. Just wait and see. Personally, as a Roman history enthusiast, I am following both Roma Victor and also this game as well. They both seem very different, and I will probably purchase both to try 'em out. Which one will ultimately win? Who knows.
So relax. The world isn't ending. Guild Wars is a GREAT game as it requires no monthly subscription. But you better believe if they will be requiring a monthly fee . . . well, lets put it this way, they better have their ducks in a row.
Thanks
AHS
Your mind is like a parachute, it's only useful when it's open.
Don't forget, you can use the block function on trolls.
Instancing = dead MMORPG. I dont care the 'reason' for it. EQ had instancing and it killed the game, more than it was already dying. EQ2 has it and it ruined it. Instances turn any worth an MMORPG has and newbifies it making it a steaming pile of refuse.
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If people listened to you and did not voice their concerns BEFORE release, people would be stuck with things they do not want/like. If I want to complain about instances, I will. If the official word is there are instances on a game I think has great potential, I will voice my concerns and/or inform others should they not be aware of that. This is a comercial venture: I'd say people should have nerve enough to voice what they want or don't want- it is the company who should not have the nerve to ignore its player base.
If you have a problem with kill stealers- stop playing MMOs. If you have a problem with your wife complaining too much, try talking to her or seek counciling.
-W.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan
I agree. I think there are places for instanced zones, but 100% is too much.
-W.