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Angry Joe reviews ESO Beta

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  • BetaguyBetaguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,629
    Originally posted by Braindome

    He has NDA permission to review the title and already has:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upE802rZl7Q

    He is such a bad player I can't even watch his reviews. He has very bad taste, his shirt says it all. DC sucks...

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  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley

    My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.

     

    All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.

    Angry Joe is an angry joke.

    My favorite part about your post is how you didn't pay much attention to the video. They never said they dislike ES series. They repeatedly said that they love ES and ESO makes them want to play Skyrim even more because ESO feels like a generic version of Skyrim. 

    And the fact that he is only allowed to show 15 minutes of gameplay he leveled as far as he could. Before you criticise someone make sure you atleast pay attention to what they have been saying.

    I paid as much attention to his video as he paid to the game. They continually criticized the AI & combat of all elder scrolls titles. What are you, Angry Joe's illegitimate son? Why defend a console gaming hack of a reviewer who is obviously out of his depth on this game. He could have cut/edited that video any way he wanted as long as it added up to his 15 mins of fame, riding on the backs of people who actually produce something beyond an opinion (which any fool has to give). He needed to pump that video out for the hits. TBH, his review is bland & shallow. It's a first impressions video at best. At worst, it's what it actually is: A carrot on a stick to gain youtube hits because unemployed Joe needs to pay the bills.

    Also, since the business model doesn't matter, how could this be the greatest F2P title of all time (in Joe's words) but just a standard, run-of-the-mill Sub game? The game is the game & the business pay model is the pay model, amirite? Exactly.

    Angry Joe has less credibility than the register jockey at your local Gamestop. Gimme a break...

    Ahh personal insults. Why am i not surprised. So pointing out that you didn't pay attention to the video somehow makes me his illegitimate son?

    You posted things that were never said in the video. And that is what i pointed out. It his opinion and i don't need to defend him. You don't agree with him fine but why post lies and then question his credibility? i don't think you know what irony means do you?

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  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    Originally posted by Betaguy
    Originally posted by Braindome

    He has NDA permission to review the title and already has:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upE802rZl7Q

    He is such a bad player I can't even watch his reviews. He has very bad taste, his shirt says it all. DC sucks...

    But he is so thorough! He had 15 minutes and took time to kill chickens. 

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  • funyahnsfunyahns Member Posts: 315
    Originally posted by Notimeforbs

    I disagree with his entire review.  He simply doesn't have enough information to make any statements about the game.  I like AngryJoe, and I generally agree with his reviews, almost unanimously.  But he's sort of out of his element with this one.  You can't review a game based on a few hours of gameplay in a game that has 50% of its features either locked out of his trial or is unobtainable by the amount of time he invested.

    Every single one of his complaints can easily be argued without an NDA preventing me from doing so.  A lot of the counterarguments, though, are pretty much related to the fact that this game is not trying to meet the expectations 90% of the player base has been trained to expect from an MMO for the past 10 years.  SImply put... it's different.

     He didn't like what he saw. you cannot counter argue with someones impression.  Now does that mean that you have to agree? No of course it is not.   You can form an impression after a few hours of game play.  If you really want to show off the game why have them do that part of beta? Why not set them up with some level 20 characters and let them try that out?  It is Zenimax fault for putting out that part of the game. 

  • DrDwarfDrDwarf Member Posts: 475
    Originally posted by keithian
    Originally posted by DKLond
    Originally posted by Nitth

     


    Originally posted by DKLond
    ESO is trying to be different, and it's trying to be an actual world that's less "gamey" with huge flashing markers everywhere and dozens of bright green/red/blue christmas presents being shoved down your throat every two seconds.

     

    It's going for a more traditional roleplaying approach, where you're not fighting enemies constantly - and where you can roam free and actually get the feeling that something that's not part of a blatant hamster wheel is happening.

    It's very much about immersing yourself in a story and presenting a place that could potentially exist - and not a gigantic Toys R Us that's there only to serve instant gratification until you logout.


     

    The problem is, All of that is already available in a single player format, And its done better.

    That whole paragraph you wrote about the 'vision of what eso is' mentioned nothing about massively multiplayer design.

    Considering we're talking about an MMO, it's pretty obvious that the massively multiplayer design is part of it.

    ESO is about sharing the TES experience with friends - and sharing that world with thousands of people, creating a social community.

    Obviously, if you don't enjoy socialising in that setting - and you don't think there's room for an ES game that makes concessions to function as an MMO, ESO won't be for you.

    Personally, I am fully capable of enjoying TES singleplayer games while I'm enjoying an MMO set in the same world, which might not be quite as good in terms of creating amazing visuals and a world that revolves around me alone - but which does allow me to share a similar experience with so many other people.

    Then there's the whole AvAvA aspect, which I'm not personally too interested in - but I can easily see how that would appeal to the competitive mindset - and I think they've done a reasonable job presenting the reasons for that war.

    Essentially, ESO is for people who enjoy both ES games and MMOs - and who understand that an ES game with thousands of people could never, ever, work just like the singleplayer games.

    Is it perfect? No, not at all.

    But it's the most refreshing and appealing MMO to come out, to me, since..... Lord of the Rings Online, I think. Unfortunately, LOTRO was ruined by the F2P disease, but originally it had a similarly strong RPG feel to it that i really liked.

     

    That was scary. Reading your post made me feel as if I was looking in the mirror. Every word you wrote is exactly how I feel including your Lord of the Rings comments.. For the type of play style I'm into and whether I wish it was more like Skyrim or not, it is the best MMO choice for now for the type of MMO gamer I am which I fully respect isn't everyone's style. 

    So it is about community ?

    Why no chat bubbles ?

    Why the silly console orientated Interact with other players function ?

    Why the no names visible  above player characters in game so we know immediately who we are playing with?

    Why allow characters to be in several guilds ?

    The visuals are not "amazing" are they ?

    I don't agree with everything said in this guys review but he does represent a certain type of MMORPG player and there are a lot of this type around.

    Is there more loot dropped if you are grouping ?   Other reviews said loot was disappointing and seemed to hint this was to the benefit of crafters.

  • LisaFlexy22LisaFlexy22 Member UncommonPosts: 450
    Originally posted by funyahns
    Originally posted by Notimeforbs

    I disagree with his entire review.  He simply doesn't have enough information to make any statements about the game.  I like AngryJoe, and I generally agree with his reviews, almost unanimously.  But he's sort of out of his element with this one.  You can't review a game based on a few hours of gameplay in a game that has 50% of its features either locked out of his trial or is unobtainable by the amount of time he invested.

    Every single one of his complaints can easily be argued without an NDA preventing me from doing so.  A lot of the counterarguments, though, are pretty much related to the fact that this game is not trying to meet the expectations 90% of the player base has been trained to expect from an MMO for the past 10 years.  SImply put... it's different.

     He didn't like what he saw. you cannot counter argue with someones impression.  Now does that mean that you have to agree? No of course it is not.   You can form an impression after a few hours of game play.  If you really want to show off the game why have them do that part of beta? Why not set them up with some level 20 characters and let them try that out?  It is Zenimax fault for putting out that part of the game. 

    That's putting a rather negative blanket statement on his review.  It was mixed, he liked some things and not others.  And actually if you look at his facebook posts AFTER he made this review it looks like he really started to like it during this weekend with it.

  • AlBQuirkyAlBQuirky Member EpicPosts: 7,432


    Originally posted by MMOExposed

    Originally posted by Consensus

    Originally posted by Blazer6992
    I agree with him, it should be free.
    Well don't worry, you won't have to wait long.(not trolling even gaming press previews say they think it will go f2p soon)
    Should have started that way.
    And miss out on all those Collector's Edition folks?

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    Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  • Originally posted by xpiher
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by RebelScum99
    Originally posted by BeansnBread
    Originally posted by muffins89
    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

    He probably thinks that compared to ESO, it really is amazing. And at a better value.

    Except he no longer plays GW2.  He left the game and his guild disbanded.  And he wasn't paying a dime for GW2, either.  So it wasn't like he left because he didn't feel like paying for it anymore.  

    Would he have to play a game indefinitely for you to accept that he liked it?

    He'd have to play it a bit longer than he did.  Most people leave MMOs because, at some point, they get bored of them.  If the game was a true 10/10, as he graded it, I'd expect him to have lasted longer.  And again, he wasn't paying a dime for the game after buying the box.  So he wouldn't be able to use the "Well, I didn't feel like paying $15 a month for it" excuse like people use with sub games.  If you leave a game that you aren't paying a dime for, there must be some issues.  

    My guess, and it's only a guess, is that once he hit cap, he realized, like many others have, that the game falls short.  

    Also, some of you guys need to re-watch his review of ESO.  He actually WAS saying that he thinks the game would be amazing as a F2P game.  He made a great, valid point about the Collector's Edition BS that Zenimax is pulling, but the end of his review is not about that.  He simply states he thinks the game would be great if you didn't have to pay a sub for it.  Which doesn't really make sense to me.  Either a game is good or bad on its own merits.  

    Also, I'm a fan of Angry Joe's reviews.  I don't always agree with everything he says, but he's a pretty sharp guy and he always makes very good points.  The point about ESO possibly being great if only it was F2P wasn't one of his better points.  

    Or like many others he quit when ANET added ascended/infused gear

    If Angryjoe quit based on ascended and infused gear, I value his opinion less then before.

    GW2 has a lot of problems...the ascended gear though isn't a reason to quit the game..

  • NotimeforbsNotimeforbs Member CommonPosts: 346
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Notimeforbs

    I disagree with his entire review.  He simply doesn't have enough information to make any statements about the game.  I like AngryJoe, and I generally agree with his reviews, almost unanimously.  But he's sort of out of his element with this one.  You can't review a game based on a few hours of gameplay in a game that has 50% of its features either locked out of his trial or is unobtainable by the amount of time he invested.

    Every single one of his complaints can easily be argued without an NDA preventing me from doing so.  A lot of the counterarguments, though, are pretty much related to the fact that this game is not trying to meet the expectations 90% of the player base has been trained to expect from an MMO for the past 10 years.  SImply put... it's different.

    At the moment, the only non-NDA is 'up to level 15' and based on that the first impression is pretty accurate.

    Maybe the game becomes amazing beyond that.

    However, he can't comment on the NDA stuff and it really isn't his problem. Take it up with Zenimax.

    And to that I answer - the game is simply doing things differently.  He's wanting it to do one thing, and the game is doing something different.  It doesn't make it a bad game.  It just makes it not for him.  I play just as many games as he does and I loved the game.  If he has spent more time playing by himself or perhaps with other people who were actually trying to enjoy their experience instead of a couple of constant negative nancies, I think he would have had a different opinion of the game.  I also think he would have enjoyed it more had he played it more.

    This game has more in common with the Elder Scrolls title than it does with other MMO's.  His problem is he is relating it to other MMO's and not TES, and is making complaints about why it doesn't have feature x of game y, that frankly was a disappointment to half the MMO community.  And the complaints he's making about it not being more like TES, quite frankly, are amateur, trivial things to be worried about in a Beta that has 50% of it's content and systems purposefully locked out.

    I disagree with him.  Maybe the game isn't for him.  But these "professional reviewers" like him, and there are a lot, need to stop spewing their personal opinions as biblical fact.  They just need to stay objective.

  • AzzrasAzzras Member UncommonPosts: 407

    I'm no fanboy of the game, but it seems to me that Joe's impressions of the game were greatly skewed by the people he was playing with.  It really seemed like he was enjoying himself until they told him he shouldn't.

    Just my opinion.

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  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    How do you stay objective in a review/preview?

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • KanethKaneth Member RarePosts: 2,286
    Originally posted by Azzras

    I'm no fanboy of the game, but it seems to me that Joe's impressions of the game were greatly skewed by the people he was playing with.  It really seemed like he was enjoying himself until they told him he shouldn't.

    Just my opinion.

    I didn't get that impression from the video. Joe was having some fun with it, as he does like action based combat. However, he was having mixed comments during the 15 minutes of play time he was showing. He called it a low budget Skyrim a couple of times pretty early in the footage.

    Aside from his comments on the Imperials being locked behind a pay wall, he didn't really bash the game too much. He feels like the game is going to go F2P, but that's not really a derogatory comment, just his impression.

    He gave a nice break down of pros and cons about the game from his point of view. I actually agree with what he said. I don't feel like the game should go F2P, but rather B2P. I would buy in a heartbeat if not for the sub price, the game just doesn't seem to deliver enough to warrant a sub, imo.

  • Kayo45Kayo45 Member Posts: 293
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser

    I paid as much attention to his video as he paid to the game. They continually criticized the AI & combat of all elder scrolls titles. What are you, Angry Joe's illegitimate son? Why defend a console gaming hack of a reviewer who is obviously out of his depth on this game. He could have cut/edited that video any way he wanted as long as it added up to his 15 mins of fame, riding on the backs of people who actually produce something beyond an opinion (which any fool has to give). He needed to pump that video out for the hits. TBH, his review is bland & shallow. It's a first impressions video at best. At worst, it's what it actually is: A carrot on a stick to gain youtube hits because unemployed Joe needs to pay the bills.

    Also, since the business model doesn't matter, how could this be the greatest F2P title of all time (in Joe's words) but just a standard, run-of-the-mill Sub game? The game is the game & the business pay model is the pay model, amirite? Exactly.

    Angry Joe has less credibility than the register jockey at your local Gamestop. Gimme a break...

    Ahh personal insults. Why am i not surprised. So pointing out that you didn't pay attention to the video somehow makes me his illegitimate son?

    You posted things that were never said in the video. And that is what i pointed out. It his opinion and i don't need to defend him. You don't agree with him fine but why post lies and then question his credibility? i don't think you know what irony means do you?

    He does have a point though. His "opinion" of the game went from liking it to not liking it then liking it again. Fun at first because its a lot like a cheap Skryim, etc ... then doesnt like it because its "repetitive" and that it was just going from hub to objective  and back over and over (which is b/s or he wasnt paying attention to the many side-quests scattered around the map)... then as if by magic he implied the game was great again but only as F2P

    Ive seen a few of his videos, mostly some SWTOR interviews he did before its release ... though I enjoyed those, this one was a horrible mess. His "opinions" go from his own, to what his friends said, then finally turned into some forum troll whining about "Why I gotta pay!?"

  • KaosProphetKaosProphet Member Posts: 379
    Originally posted by Kaneth
    Originally posted by Azzras

    I'm no fanboy of the game, but it seems to me that Joe's impressions of the game were greatly skewed by the people he was playing with.  It really seemed like he was enjoying himself until they told him he shouldn't.

    Just my opinion.

    I didn't get that impression from the video. Joe was having some fun with it, as he does like action based combat. However, he was having mixed comments during the 15 minutes of play time he was showing. He called it a low budget Skyrim a couple of times pretty early in the footage.

    Aside from his comments on the Imperials being locked behind a pay wall, he didn't really bash the game too much. He feels like the game is going to go F2P, but that's not really a derogatory comment, just his impression.

    I might have just missed it, but I don't remember him saying whether or not he thinks the game will go F2P.  Just that if it did, it would stand well above everything else currently in that market. 

    Which is saying that he thinks it *should* go F2P, but not making predictions about whether it'll happen or not.

     

  • Ryoshi1Ryoshi1 Member Posts: 139
    He thinks it'll go f2p if the pvp is not strong and endgame is kinda wimpy and if it doesn't ruffle the bed buggies out then yeah it will definitely go f2p (or collect subs from its shrinking community). I totally agree :D
  • Aldous.HuxleyAldous.Huxley Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 418
    Meh... Who cares what Joe thinks...
  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Meh... Who cares what Joe thinks...

    Obviously people who don't know how to form their own opinion on things and need to be told one. :P 

    The guy has to play so many trash games day in and day out trying to find one that he can get views from I doubt he plays any game long enough to really form a true review of a game. It's his job to be all loud and annoying to get more hits on his page, right now its popular to be negative about everything and he seems to be fitting in fine.

  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
    Meh... Who cares what Joe thinks...

    Obviously people who don't know how to form their own opinion on things and need to be told one. :P 

    The guy has to play so many trash games day in and day out trying to find one that he can get views from I doubt he plays any game long enough to really form a true review of a game. It's his job to be all loud and annoying to get more hits on his page, right now its popular to be negative about everything and he seems to be fitting in fine.

    I am not sure if you're trying to be ironic or just failing to see how you burn yourself.

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  • vzerovvzerov Member Posts: 125
    Originally posted by Uhwop
    Originally posted by vzerov
    Originally posted by angerbeaver
    Originally posted by Mpfive
    Originally posted by Blazer6992

    I agree with him, it should be free.

     

    No where in the video did he say it should be free, what video where you watching...

    I'm fairly certain he does around 22-23: minute range

    "If this game was free it would be one of the most amazing games to ever release....It would be the difference in being a leader of the pack in free to play versus one of a pack of $15/month games and assuredly there are probably better $15 a month MMO's than what Elder Scrolls Online is about to offer us."

     

    ya obviously $15 monthly fee for "one of the most amazing games to ever release" is just too much for him....

    but $99 for the in game horse is ok though.

    It's fun to take things out of context.

    Instead of pointing out that he thinks it would be one of the most amazing games if it was free, you can say that he calls it the most amazing game to ever release while ignoring the part where it only applies if the game was free to play. 

     

    Ofcourse i can say that, because the payment model of a game is not related to the quality of the game itself.

    Its like saying "big mac is the most delicious food in the world if it was free" , if thats how you think then big mac is actualy the msot delicious food for you, but you just dont want to pay for it.

    So no, i am not take things of of context, its just simple logic. By the way, the sentence " the most amazing game in the world if it was free " really makes sense to you? Or you are just trying to ignore how stupid this comment is?

  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by vzerov
    Originally posted by Uhwop
    Originally posted by vzerov
    Originally posted by angerbeaver
    Originally posted by Mpfive
    Originally posted by Blazer6992

    I agree with him, it should be free.

     

    No where in the video did he say it should be free, what video where you watching...

    I'm fairly certain he does around 22-23: minute range

    "If this game was free it would be one of the most amazing games to ever release....It would be the difference in being a leader of the pack in free to play versus one of a pack of $15/month games and assuredly there are probably better $15 a month MMO's than what Elder Scrolls Online is about to offer us."

     

    ya obviously $15 monthly fee for "one of the most amazing games to ever release" is just too much for him....

    but $99 for the in game horse is ok though.

    It's fun to take things out of context.

    Instead of pointing out that he thinks it would be one of the most amazing games if it was free, you can say that he calls it the most amazing game to ever release while ignoring the part where it only applies if the game was free to play. 

     

    Ofcourse i can say that, because the payment model of a game is not related to the quality of the game itself.

    Its like saying "big mac is the most delicious food in the world if it was free" , if thats how you think then big mac is actualy the msot delicious food for you, but you just dont want to pay for it.

    So no, i am not take things of of context, its just simple logic. By the way, the sentence " the most amazing game in the world if its free " really makes senses to you? Or you are just trying to ignore how stupid this comment is?

    Actually... when taking into account the prices... a Big Mac would be the most delicious food at that price point. Logic really isn't your strong suit, is it?

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  • vzerovvzerov Member Posts: 125
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by vzerov
    Originally posted by Uhwop
    Originally posted by vzerov
    Originally posted by angerbeaver
    Originally posted by Mpfive
    Originally posted by Blazer6992

    I agree with him, it should be free.

     

    No where in the video did he say it should be free, what video where you watching...

    I'm fairly certain he does around 22-23: minute range

    "If this game was free it would be one of the most amazing games to ever release....It would be the difference in being a leader of the pack in free to play versus one of a pack of $15/month games and assuredly there are probably better $15 a month MMO's than what Elder Scrolls Online is about to offer us."

     

    ya obviously $15 monthly fee for "one of the most amazing games to ever release" is just too much for him....

    but $99 for the in game horse is ok though.

    It's fun to take things out of context.

    Instead of pointing out that he thinks it would be one of the most amazing games if it was free, you can say that he calls it the most amazing game to ever release while ignoring the part where it only applies if the game was free to play. 

     

    Ofcourse i can say that, because the payment model of a game is not related to the quality of the game itself.

    Its like saying "big mac is the most delicious food in the world if it was free" , if thats how you think then big mac is actualy the msot delicious food for you, but you just dont want to pay for it.

    So no, i am not take things of of context, its just simple logic. By the way, the sentence " the most amazing game in the world if its free " really makes senses to you? Or you are just trying to ignore how stupid this comment is?

    Actually... when taking into account the prices... a Big Mac would be the most delicious food at that price point. Logic really isn't your strong suit, is it?

    You do understand " big mac is the most delicious food in the world if it was free", and "big mac is the most delicious food at that price point" are toally different things right? and no, logic is actually my strong suit, and i can see you fail at it without qustioning that.

  • loulakiloulaki Member UncommonPosts: 944
    Originally posted by muffins89

     


    Originally posted by Nevulus
    That's why I am a fan of his reviews. He calls it as it is, always has & always will.

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

     

     

     it still is, lets compare GW2, 2 years ago released, it doesnt have queue mechanic and no sub .

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  • ChieftanChieftan Member UncommonPosts: 1,188
    Originally posted by muffins89

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

     

    Yeah that kinda takes the ol wind out of the sails when it comes to his MMO views.

     

    And I love watching people stress over sub fees.  Yes, it will cost you just as much as a couple value meals at your nearest fast food joint.* Can you budget that??

     

    *This does not include the communist state of California, where a meal costs MORE than $15 and doesn't include a drink.

     

    My youtube MMO gaming channel



  • Why do people obsess about these shallow reviews?

     

    You just hear stuff like "Oh I like stabbed stuff with some combat that I felt was [fill in the blank with shallow/vague epithet ]".

     

    If these were real previews they would actually describe how stuff works.  How do light attack work?  Describe about how much damage one does.  Describe how much stamina a light versus heavy attack does.  Give your impression about how much of a characters time is spent using normal attack versus abilities in combat.  Do some analysis.

     

    You don't hear these things, because they don't bother to do or think about them.  They just run around and give you an impression.  Whoopdie frigging do.  Most are attention whores and the only thing they review stuff based on is whether or not they think it will be popular because in their minds that is all that is important.

     

    9/10 statements they make are impressions of their own pleasure or lack thereof or whether "people" will like it.  1/10 statements are actually descriptive and of real analysis of how or why things work.  You almost never see them do something like show an edited in depth sequence of how combat breaks down as explicative video presentation.  You just see em run around like chickens with their heads cut off because that is basically how they see the world to begin with.

     

    These are not reviews.  They are gossip.  Sometimes good points are made in gossip.  But that doesn't change the fact that is what 80% of all game "reviews" are in fact nothing but gossip.

  • Originally posted by Chieftan
    Originally posted by muffins89

     

    he said guild wars 2 was amazing.

     

    Yeah that kinda takes the ol wind out of the sails when it comes to his MMO views.

     

    And I love watching people stress over sub fees.  Yes, it will cost you just as much as a couple value meals at your nearest fast food joint.* Can you budget that??

     

    *This does not include the communist state of California, where a meal costs MORE than $15 and doesn't include a drink.

     

    But the CPI is under 2%, man.  Oh wait they ignore food when they release these figures.  Bah who needs food anyway I am sure these guys are trustworthy.

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