Except don't you think that is an odd thing to say?
So, the only thing that makes it "greatest" as supposed to "one of the pack" is how you pay?
What about the game play? So if the game play is great it is only great because of free to play? And as soon as one puts a sub to it then the game play is not great?
Wait, so you guys that love subscription games keep saying its because it makes the game higher quality and makes the community better blah blah blah, how can you not understand this?
As a subscription game its BLAND compared to other subscription games.
As a F2P game it would be the best F2P game because F2P games tend to be lower quality.
In other words, TESO would only be great when compared to average games. come on, take off the blinders man, if you couldn't understand that, you are not seeing clearly.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
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Except don't you think that is an odd thing to say?
So, the only thing that makes it "greatest" as supposed to "one of the pack" is how you pay?
What about the game play? So if the game play is great it is only great because of free to play? And as soon as one puts a sub to it then the game play is not great?
Wait, so you guys that love subscription games keep saying its because it makes the game higher quality and makes the community better blah blah blah, how can you not understand this?
As a subscription game its BLAND compared to other subscription games.
As a F2P game it would be the best F2P game because F2P games tend to be lower quality.
In other words, TESO would only be great when compared to average games. come on, take off the blinders man, if you couldn't understand that, you are not seeing clearly.
So players screaming for f2p games are desiring games that are poorer in quality? It seems to me that there is a contingent of players who insist that f2p is the future. Why would they want this if f2p means "poorer games".
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I was pretty impressed. Looked like a medium GFX setting Skyrim but with other players. Unfourtunately it looked like your typical ThemePark in the sense that it seemed linear and not much interaction with other people.
Originally posted by Yamota I was pretty impressed. Looked like a medium GFX setting Skyrim but with other players. Unfourtunately it looked like your typical ThemePark in the sense that it seemed linear and not much interaction with other people.
Its linear in the tutorial and the starter island. Its not linear as it opens up as you can explore in any order you want and are only crippled by the level of enemy NPCs in the area. Of course you are also constrained by your faction area, which is huge. At level 50, there are no such restrictions, so they say.
So players screaming for f2p games are desiring games that are poorer in quality? It seems to me that there is a contingent of players who insist that f2p is the future. Why would they want this if f2p means "poorer games".
I have no doubt your mind really did twist it that way so this way you wouldn't have to admit that they are just plain stating that it proves that the person that chose an outdated game design is also using an outdated paymodel that few games can justify.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
First off - I am a bit biased as to this "review". This is the first time I have ever heard of this Angry Joey guy, but just looking how his hands go around like Dutch windmills non-stop while he is talking + the choice of words like "f*ck" and "dude" - well, yeah - I am not sold....
Anyways - I've been in beta for some hours and I kinda like it. I don't mind "empty" space, I don't mind taking my time running around in a virtual world, I don't mind there is no flashy lights or some goofy "action" around every corner. Bit darker, washed out and grittier MMO is what I am looking for, and this just might fit the bill.
What I am a bit worried about is the group dynamics. I really disliked the GW2 model, where all group play revolved around zerging and dodging around like some mad puppets on a rubber band - wonder if this will be the case here. Will probably hold off pre-ordering until I get a better idea of how group play will look like.
Originally posted by gervaise1 True - but the devs are not helping by keeping the NDA in place.
I agree.there are criticisms and some things I find greatly disappointing but there are a lot of good things as well and no way to have a real discussion other than saying "grab a key and try it yourself".But I think some of this is just that some players want x, y and z and they are not willing or not interested in letting that go and just enjoying themselves.
I admit I am one of the "x,y,z" people
They named it "Elder Scrolls." That brings expectations. Had they called it anything else (besides a popular IP), I would be MUCH more open minded. I do have to admit that I never even desired to play DAoC, as PvP is not my thing, so I don't know if I would be interested in this game...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Am I the only person left that reviews my own games by buying them and playing them? Are there really that many sheep on the edge of their seat waiting to be told to buy something because a reviewer said it was good or to stay away because a reviewer said it was bad? I genuinely feel sorry for people with the mentality that they need to constantly be told what to like and not like.
Case and point. I feel sorry for those that attack others because they enjoy listening to others opinions. But carry on.
Didn't really feel like I was "attacking" anyone. Did you feel attacked by what I said? An attack is a vicious, brutal thing. Can we settle this without getting the police involved? Maybe I can pay something to help with your pain and suffering?
and heres some of the 1% that is so flithy rich they buy every game and have no need for money-saving reviews. disgusting.
Am I the only person left that reviews my own games by buying them and playing them? Are there really that many sheep on the edge of their seat waiting to be told to buy something because a reviewer said it was good or to stay away because a reviewer said it was bad? I genuinely feel sorry for people with the mentality that they need to constantly be told what to like and not like.
Case and point. I feel sorry for those that attack others because they enjoy listening to others opinions. But carry on.
Didn't really feel like I was "attacking" anyone. Did you feel attacked by what I said? An attack is a vicious, brutal thing. Can we settle this without getting the police involved? Maybe I can pay something to help with your pain and suffering?
and heres some of the 1% that is so flithy rich they buy every game and have no need for money-saving reviews. disgusting.
It's nice being wealthy. Every 6 months to a year, I get to plop down a whopping $50 on a game that interests me. Ah, the good life.
Am I the only person left that reviews my own games by buying them and playing them? Are there really that many sheep on the edge of their seat waiting to be told to buy something because a reviewer said it was good or to stay away because a reviewer said it was bad? I genuinely feel sorry for people with the mentality that they need to constantly be told what to like and not like.
If you never read reviews then OK but I find that odd. I haven't got time to buy and play every single games that is released.
Do you read reviews before you buy a new washing machine? Car? Television? See a film? Or do you just buy all?
You don't have to agree with a reviewer but reviews will present a window into a product. Check out enough reviews and you can start to form an opinion. And you can still buy the game regardless.
A guy who hates MMOs, really isn't into ES games and primarily loves action games? Well, gosh, what a surprise he doesn't like the game.
The preview is opinionated , not factual.
Where did we reach the point where bloggers reflect truth and unbiased views? It's one guy's opinion.
All reviews - by their nature - are opinionated. But assuming they haven't been tampered with they also contains "facts". In AJ's review you can see combat mechanics, art style, he comments about CD and so on.
And of course TESO is aiming for console players as well - who tend to play action games. So TESO not blowing AJ away may not be a good sign.
A guy who hates MMOs, really isn't into ES games and primarily loves action games? Well, gosh, what a surprise he doesn't like the game.
The preview is opinionated , not factual.
Where did we reach the point where bloggers reflect truth and unbiased views? It's one guy's opinion.
All reviews - by their nature - are opinionated. But assuming they haven't been tampered with they also contains "facts". In AJ's review you can see combat mechanics, art style, he comments about CD and so on.
And of course TESO is aiming for console players as well - who tend to play action games. So TESO not blowing AJ away may not be a good sign.
Previews and reviews from dedicated professional game sites provide an overall view of a game, they provide facts and they also provide some degree of opinion. The opinions are usually not based on preconceptions though. They usually outline the good stuff and the bad stuff then feed you some more information so you can make an informed decision.
People like AJ and TotalBiscuit don't work like that. They give a 100% opinionated view. They let preconceptions like their dislike for MMOs, their dislike for monthly subs and their dislike for certain games flow free when it comes to reviewing a game.. it's how they get viewers at the end of the day.
AJ has hated many games which went on to be hugely successful, does that mean he's wrong? No, it means he didn't like it and others did.
They thrive on strong opinions (sometimes good, sometimes bad) to stir up emotions in the community, it's their "selling point" if you will.
The only thing I know about Angry joe is that he said Guild Wars 2 was the best mmo ever made (10/10) and that he has a huge hatred of p2p titles.
I can't really take him seriously given the two things above. I'd also like to point out that again Guild Wars 2 was loved in all the forums (including here), all the reviewers and pretty much everyone agreed it was going to change the mmo world, a year later it changed nothing and most of the games previous fans no longer play it.
Meanwhile a game receiving a similar reception to ESO, SWTOR is actually now very successful.
The Game Informer review gave a pretty honest view of the whole thing I think. They admit the starting area is kind of crap. The first couple areas are boring and very on rails. It seems once you get past that though around level 5-6 the game really opens up. I do wish mmo's would quit trying to teach everyone how to play an mmo sometimes. Just let me start my journey and let me figure it out. The dumbed down starting areas are just an annoyance for most people. It seems like most of the "meh" previews I've seen on the game have been people that have only played the first couple hours and I don't think that does much service to what the game is really like.
My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.
All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.
I think he is right. the game has huge chances of ending as a F2P game.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.
All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.
My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.
All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.
Angry Joe is an angry joke.
Well to be fair, when i started the game i was like wow, this looks amazing i loved character creation the look of the races. But with in the first 30-60 minuets of playing it just rapidly began to bore me senseless.
My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.
All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.
Angry Joe is an angry joke.
My favorite part about your post is how you didn't pay much attention to the video. They never said they dislike ES series. They repeatedly said that they love ES and ESO makes them want to play Skyrim even more because ESO feels like a generic version of Skyrim.
And the fact that he is only allowed to show 15 minutes of gameplay he leveled as far as he could. Before you criticise someone make sure you atleast pay attention to what they have been saying.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
Didn't he basically spend the rest of the time complaining about the sub model? So, he would like the game itself if it didn't have a sub. Since it has a sub, it's a bad game.
Didn't he basically spend the rest of the time complaining about the sub model? So, he would like the game itself if it didn't have a sub. Since it has a sub, it's a bad game.
Sounds legit.
There is difference between saying this game is bad and should be F2P and the game isn't up to that level where company can demand 15 bucks a month.
What Joe said falls in later category. If you just want to focus on the negatives sure it helps your agenda but he did say a lot of good things about the game too. And he is not the only one who feels game isn't upto the quality of demanding 15 bucks a month..atleast not yet.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
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Wait, so you guys that love subscription games keep saying its because it makes the game higher quality and makes the community better blah blah blah, how can you not understand this?
As a subscription game its BLAND compared to other subscription games.
As a F2P game it would be the best F2P game because F2P games tend to be lower quality.
In other words, TESO would only be great when compared to average games. come on, take off the blinders man, if you couldn't understand that, you are not seeing clearly.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
So players screaming for f2p games are desiring games that are poorer in quality? It seems to me that there is a contingent of players who insist that f2p is the future. Why would they want this if f2p means "poorer games".
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Its linear in the tutorial and the starter island. Its not linear as it opens up as you can explore in any order you want and are only crippled by the level of enemy NPCs in the area. Of course you are also constrained by your faction area, which is huge. At level 50, there are no such restrictions, so they say.
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I have no doubt your mind really did twist it that way so this way you wouldn't have to admit that they are just plain stating that it proves that the person that chose an outdated game design is also using an outdated paymodel that few games can justify.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
First off - I am a bit biased as to this "review". This is the first time I have ever heard of this Angry Joey guy, but just looking how his hands go around like Dutch windmills non-stop while he is talking + the choice of words like "f*ck" and "dude" - well, yeah - I am not sold....
Anyways - I've been in beta for some hours and I kinda like it. I don't mind "empty" space, I don't mind taking my time running around in a virtual world, I don't mind there is no flashy lights or some goofy "action" around every corner. Bit darker, washed out and grittier MMO is what I am looking for, and this just might fit the bill.
What I am a bit worried about is the group dynamics. I really disliked the GW2 model, where all group play revolved around zerging and dodging around like some mad puppets on a rubber band - wonder if this will be the case here. Will probably hold off pre-ordering until I get a better idea of how group play will look like.
They named it "Elder Scrolls." That brings expectations. Had they called it anything else (besides a popular IP), I would be MUCH more open minded. I do have to admit that I never even desired to play DAoC, as PvP is not my thing, so I don't know if I would be interested in this game...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
and heres some of the 1% that is so flithy rich they buy every game and have no need for money-saving reviews. disgusting.
Yea joe sums up for me pretty much felt the same way.
Another wasted IP !
If ever a mmo was meant to be a sandbox (im not a big sandbox guy) it should have been Eso.
It's nice being wealthy. Every 6 months to a year, I get to plop down a whopping $50 on a game that interests me. Ah, the good life.
A guy who hates MMOs, really isn't into ES games and primarily loves action games? Well, gosh, what a surprise he doesn't like the game.
The preview is opinionated , not factual.
Where did we reach the point where bloggers reflect truth and unbiased views? It's one guy's opinion.
If you never read reviews then OK but I find that odd. I haven't got time to buy and play every single games that is released.
Do you read reviews before you buy a new washing machine? Car? Television? See a film? Or do you just buy all?
You don't have to agree with a reviewer but reviews will present a window into a product. Check out enough reviews and you can start to form an opinion. And you can still buy the game regardless.
I'll say this, the guy is fairly savvy. He knows what his audience wants to hear and in return they advertise for him.
All reviews - by their nature - are opinionated. But assuming they haven't been tampered with they also contains "facts". In AJ's review you can see combat mechanics, art style, he comments about CD and so on.
And of course TESO is aiming for console players as well - who tend to play action games. So TESO not blowing AJ away may not be a good sign.
Previews and reviews from dedicated professional game sites provide an overall view of a game, they provide facts and they also provide some degree of opinion. The opinions are usually not based on preconceptions though. They usually outline the good stuff and the bad stuff then feed you some more information so you can make an informed decision.
People like AJ and TotalBiscuit don't work like that. They give a 100% opinionated view. They let preconceptions like their dislike for MMOs, their dislike for monthly subs and their dislike for certain games flow free when it comes to reviewing a game.. it's how they get viewers at the end of the day.
AJ has hated many games which went on to be hugely successful, does that mean he's wrong? No, it means he didn't like it and others did.
They thrive on strong opinions (sometimes good, sometimes bad) to stir up emotions in the community, it's their "selling point" if you will.
Having been a beta tester since last August i can 100% agree with Joe as well.
The only thing I know about Angry joe is that he said Guild Wars 2 was the best mmo ever made (10/10) and that he has a huge hatred of p2p titles.
I can't really take him seriously given the two things above. I'd also like to point out that again Guild Wars 2 was loved in all the forums (including here), all the reviewers and pretty much everyone agreed it was going to change the mmo world, a year later it changed nothing and most of the games previous fans no longer play it.
Meanwhile a game receiving a similar reception to ESO, SWTOR is actually now very successful.
The Game Informer review gave a pretty honest view of the whole thing I think. They admit the starting area is kind of crap. The first couple areas are boring and very on rails. It seems once you get past that though around level 5-6 the game really opens up. I do wish mmo's would quit trying to teach everyone how to play an mmo sometimes. Just let me start my journey and let me figure it out. The dumbed down starting areas are just an annoyance for most people. It seems like most of the "meh" previews I've seen on the game have been people that have only played the first couple hours and I don't think that does much service to what the game is really like.
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My favorite part about this review is how at first, Angry Joe is enjoying himself until his sidekick starts pointing out what he sees as flaws & begins to criticize the entire series. He slowly sways Joe from his enjoymemt of the game to the enjoyment of ridiculing it. If they don't like the ES series, why would they like the mmo version? Bias review is bias from the get. The only reason he pumped out a shallow review consisting of only lvls 1-9 (which are the introductory tutorial levels) was to capitalize on the popularity & hype of the beta to get more hits on his youtube channel.
All this video shows is how Angry Joe is a hamfisting opportunist & puppet who is easily swayed by his peers.
Angry Joe is an angry joke.
I think he is right. the game has huge chances of ending as a F2P game.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
LOL, this post is awesome.
Well to be fair, when i started the game i was like wow, this looks amazing i loved character creation the look of the races. But with in the first 30-60 minuets of playing it just rapidly began to bore me senseless.
My favorite part about your post is how you didn't pay much attention to the video. They never said they dislike ES series. They repeatedly said that they love ES and ESO makes them want to play Skyrim even more because ESO feels like a generic version of Skyrim.
And the fact that he is only allowed to show 15 minutes of gameplay he leveled as far as he could. Before you criticise someone make sure you atleast pay attention to what they have been saying.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Didn't he basically spend the rest of the time complaining about the sub model? So, he would like the game itself if it didn't have a sub. Since it has a sub, it's a bad game.
Sounds legit.
There is difference between saying this game is bad and should be F2P and the game isn't up to that level where company can demand 15 bucks a month.
What Joe said falls in later category. If you just want to focus on the negatives sure it helps your agenda but he did say a lot of good things about the game too. And he is not the only one who feels game isn't upto the quality of demanding 15 bucks a month..atleast not yet.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney