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Faith is a short word used by people who dont know. I wouldnt really rely on faith in this time of age because its not there. If you were to jump off a bridge because you have faith God would save you, you have a strong chance of being dead wrong. There have been many times in history where people had total faith that Jesus would return, and yet it never happened. Seriously you dont really know what faith is. If someone were to knock on your door, with nothing but his underwear on and some flip flops and said he was God, would you have faith that he was?
Fifty million people have died in WW2, seven million of those were Jewish. How many other people have died since the past five years and yet we are still here and the earth is still revolving around its axis and the moons is still orbiting around the earth. earth got smashed by a six mile asteroid that wiped out 70% of all life and yet the earth is still spinning.
i guarntee you that anyone with faith will never prove to be right. instead they would be improved wrong. Facts is what I believe in. until when someone actually comes and proves there is without a fact there is no god then I would believe it.
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first of all jd1680a shut up i believe in god like ive said before my faith is strong
second lunamonster every thing is created by a cretor. something canot just be there god created the universe time created god etc etc. also if everone didn't believe in something the world would be worse than it is today. although religon is the cause of war at the momment. if there was no god or religon thered be more fighting. religons that believe in god are trying to promote peace yet if there was no religon no promotion of peace, economys would fall apart people would fight for leader ship of the world, countries or continets war would brake out every where deaths would be common and terrosimwould rule the world so before u start putting crap on god, the bible and all god stands for think about what has just been said and that goes for all of you who are against god.
take what you can but not what isn't yours. "fight to the end and never give your enemy the satisfaction of victory"
Besides how come someone make a path through water we just go straight through it thats my point of view also if god exited and made people die I just hate his guts he killed my dad my older brother my grandma so all I can wish is for him (if he exited) to come to me so I knife him to hell!
Thats what I think
[quote]Originally posted by demonicdemon
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
really? how?
islamic terrorists fight for allah, and christian terrorists fight for yahweh ...it seems you don't have a point here.
i thought about what you said and it sounds like a few naked assertions based on ignorance.
first, which god?
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You really dont know what you are talking about. This is why anyone who is strongly religious and at the same time ignorant about the world around them, will never win with a debate. There is no factual base on if God or any individual that created the universe. Technically time is abstract, it doesnt exist in the universe. What time is defined as a rate of change. The universe itself have no time.
There are millions of athiests in the world today. You cant prove that all of them are considered causing a war. Every single war that have ever existed so far have been caused by people who are religious. Hitler was a christian but yet he favored in ethnic cleanising. Everyone knows from right from wrong, even an atheist knows its wrong to kill, steal, or rape.
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"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
i would say hitler qualified as a bible scholar.
That being said that is exactly how he twisted the traditional christian german beliefs into nazi beliefs by invoking certain scriptures and re interpreting.
he at least had to have known the bible back and front to twist the bible into the "kill the choosen of isreal" document it wasnt.....
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
He was a scholar, I never said he wasn't. He was an educated guy, especially in religion, no doubt.
In fact he grew up in a monastary I believe. But fact of the matter is, he hated Catholics, the predominant Christian force in europe. To say he was a Christian, would be an absurd bout of insanity.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
He was a scholar, I never said he wasn't. He was an educated guy, especially in religion, no doubt.
In fact he grew up in a monastary I believe. But fact of the matter is, he hated Catholics, the predominant Christian force in europe. To say he was a Christian, would be an absurd bout of insanity.
yes when one hates blacks, arabs, and asians and calls their religions pagan. But hates the predominant catholics and despises calvinism.
One has very little choice but to become god in his own church which is what hitler did essentially
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
you can't prove this or provide evidence for it.
really? how?
islamic terrorists fight for allah, and christian terrorists fight for yahweh ...it seems you don't have a point here.
i thought about what you said and it sounds like a few naked assertions based on ignorance.
first, which god?
Freethinker- You can't prove the opposite either, the argument about if there is or isn't a God is trully pointless because no one can prove He does exist but no one can prove He doesn't exist.
Freethinker- You say you are an Atheist which is fine but here is something that was told to me that made me believe in God.
If your an Atheist and God doesn't exist and you die you have lost nothing, but if your an Atheist and you die and God does exist then you have lost everything, If you believe in God and die and God does not exist you have lost nothing, If you believe in God and die and God does exist then you have gained everything. So whats the harm in believing in God since He believes in you. - Pat Coward(1994)
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He was a Christian, who said he was Catholic. He was protestant. He is German you know, The whole Martin Luther thing and all, reformation etc... Its true he was raised Catholic, and in his youth almost became a Catholic priest. When he got older though he had forsaken his Catholic upbringing with mostly the influence of the Viennese Christian Social movement.
After that he basically twisted the bible into whatever form he wanted to make sure he was in the moral right and look what happened. The bible may have been the greatest work by man, but its also the bloodiest book ever.
double post
I don't believe in god or gods, but I do believe in things, and I'm happy to let other people believe in whatever the hell they like. Who cares what you call them (as long as its not "faith". I don't have faith in many things, except in fate catching up with you before you even know you're on its list).
BTW, anyone else ever notice that when someone says "buh, I don't belive in god because...", they always rant off only christan mythology prooving points? maybe that's just me. Why can't someone for once just say "I don't believe in god, becuase XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS killed them all thousands of years ago. Q.E.D."
Great O/T though, always a winner
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Read "Hitlers Table Talk", for a true perspective on what hitler felt of Christianity. Many Germans were still Christian, so he couldn't risk pissing off the whole Germanic society; so thus as such, in his public speeches, and appearances, he tried to fool them into thinking he was a good man of faith. But he was a politician, and that must be remembered. He told the people what they wanted to hear.
But by all means, he had no love for Christianity, at all.
"Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."
No one has to prove that god doesn't exist. All the theist has to do is prove is that one does.
"Pat Coward" did not write that and if he has tried to take credit for it he's lying (a.k.a. breaking a commandment). This is actually called Pascal's Wager and it was written a long time ago by Blaise Pascal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
If this made you believe in god then you must not spend too much time thinking about serious subjects. First, didn't you question which god this wager was addressing or did you just assume it was the one you were brought up to believe in? What if you and I are both wrong and Zeus is the real god? What if Allah is the one true god and all of us infidels are going to burn? By Pascal's logic we should pretend to believe in all gods just in case...
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will know why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
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By the biggest God worshipping continent in the world (Hence score highest on the biggest brownnosers of God) we have been given the knowledge of the law "Innocent until caught"
And as we can basicly prove he doesn't excist, but we can't prove that he does. He is thereby nullified.
(Proof:
- Is there a God?
- Yes.
- Prove it.
- GOD IF YOU EXCST, GIVE US A SIGN!
- [Blank..]
- Is there a God?
- No.
- Prove it.
- GOD IF YOU EXCST, GIVE US A SIGN!
- [Blank..]
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Also isn't it funny how people tend t othink that jesus was tall and white?
On top of that - Thing of this, all those who worship God whorship the same God..
As there is only one God and all expect to get to heaven..
(That and the fact that they all come from the same base..)
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It all sucked.
not only that, but its totally unreasonable to expect someone to prove god doesn't exist. how in the world can someone disprove god?? you'd have to go to all ends of the universe to do something like that. the burden of proof lies on the one with the claim (the believer), not the disbeliever.
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My main issue is that people keep trying to tell me God exists. I don't care if you personally believe in God. It's fine. Believe in God. I'm happy for you. But don't tell me he exists without any proof at all.
It takes a lot to genuinly believe and worship a God. A lot of changes in your life. Constantly being tested by man to falter. Truly being a follower is not an easy task. There's hundreds of millions of ways to you to fail every single day. Unfortunately, the majority of people I've met don't truly follow. They just say "Oh yes, I believe in God" then curse the guy next to them and tell them they hate that person. A true follower can be a remarkable thing to meet. Very rare. Very kind. But in the end, keep it to yourself. Don't tell me God exists just because you say he does. Just because you sneeze and your booger looked like Mary.
And I'm tired of people saying God doesn't exsist. I don't care if you don't believe in God. It's fine. Don't believe in God. I'm happy for you. But don't tell me he doesn't exist without any proof at all.
Hopefully this will end the arguement here since neither side will win. I can't prove He does exist, and noone else can prove He doesn't so why argue.
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Do u beleive in god?
Good,Bad, I'm the guy with the gun!-Ash
Do u beleive in god?
eEeek sorry double post!
Good,Bad, I'm the guy with the gun!-Ash
It's already been said that the burden of proof does not fall on those who do not believe, but on those who do.
I don't have to proof he doesn't exist. But if you knock on my door and try to ask me to believe in God, you do have to prove it.
And by you I don't mean physically YOU, I mean followers of any god who go around neighborhoods or anything of the sort trying to talk to me about their god.
----The Bible was written by humans. Hence not valid evidence.
By legal standards, there is no proof whatsoever of his excistence.
And when looking at the current situation. Adam and Eve - as first generation children of God, could not have been created with anything BUT God's will (For the simple fact that there was nothing else) they couldn't have chosen to eat the fruit or not, due to God's will being the only will. (Yes yes you mention the snake, remember the snake is also first generation and has nothing but God's will.)
Hence their will to eat the fruit can only be God's will.
On top of that we can first of all not prove any part where the so-called 'evil' would be either.
ON TOP of that, if we listen to God, we only here HIS side of the story, hence he could be something minor in comparsion to the true God. And in that case, you're the one not accepting the ONE God. Good job there.. Really.
ON TOP OF THAT God gave the Earth to the human, however the prosecutor also walks the Earth, assuming he is satan, what would be his wisest move? To pretend he's God. As not even God can question the prosecutor the people would forget the true God and worship the one he or she thought was God. Hence you could just as well be worshipping satan as it is.
ON TOP OF THAT (Jeebus this is long) we can to 100% prove that no child knows the concept of God.
This simply by going to any nature religion culture or whatever, God is not the same thing there.
And are a newborn child not the essence of purity? Undefiled and pure? Sure we are born in sin but we need to sin in order to be sinful. And as we know a child is not aware of the concept of God, the whole part of being close to God by not committing sins is also a void argument as not even the purest of humans hear his voice.
All in all, summed up, Gods word is the biggest reason for death in this world (TRY to argue against that)
also he created death and all that bad bit ( Newtons law - no action without reaction states this) as there is only ONE creator, right?
And since he is both the creator of life and death, joy and pain, he is also guilty for all murders done to date.
With that said, the laws that are, according to the text in the book, stated by God as the judge is only a extended hand of God's will (Read the lawbook) he must also be seen under his own laws.
Hence if he did exist he would be guilty of aaaaaloooot of crap by now. But we don't blame him for that, hence he is innocent as long as he is not proven to be guilty of it, and if he created it, he is guilty of it.
So... God is innocent until caught. and in order for YOUR religion to work with the system you also abide under, God must NOT exist if he is to be all the Good in the world.
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