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The mythical "Hundreds of players on screen" claim. Show me.

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  • SnarlingWolfSnarlingWolf Member Posts: 2,697

    Why don't you just state what your real agenda is instead of playing this game?

     

    Are you one of the people mad that people laugh when games like WoT, LoL and the like are called MMOs and is trying to "discredit" different definitions of MMOs?

     

    What is the real reason behind this question since the question wasn't "Does anyone have any cool screenshots of MMOs with hundreds of players on screen at once?" It was more like "People who say MMOs have hundreds of people on screen at once are full of bullshit."

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,377

    Planetside 2 made the claim of thousands on the screen with a new game engine.

    They have stopped making the claim because the fps with 50 people turned out to be a challenge.Their top priority today is fps optimizing....not new content.

  • monochrome19monochrome19 Member UncommonPosts: 715
    Have you ever done WPVP on KJ in WoW? It can get pretty crazy. We've crashed the server a couple of times lol.
  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077
    Originally posted by Shadanwolf

    Planetside 2 made the claim of thousands on the screen with a new game engine.

    They have stopped making the claim because the fps with 50 people turned out to be a challenge.Their top priority today is fps optimizing....not new content.

    As the PS2 engine runs like the EQ2 engine -- brutal even on i7 systems.

     

    I play that game from time-to-time, but a big battle at one of the plants, it's like EQII raiding again.

     

    I can run 3 WoW clients on ultra on my computer; and any newer game as well with like 80-120fps. But PS2, a battle it can drop to below 30fps.

     

    Brutal.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,768
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Nice thanks for the EvE vid. I counted about 200 ships on screen. PS2 vids, sorry, only saw about 10-15 players on your screen at one time. Tera online saw about 70+ in the last vid. Im not talking about how many people "were there" at these events, Im talking about how many you can actually see on your screen. The UO ones are great lol 2D. guess I should have specified.

    Why should you have specified?  If someone now produces it you can </insert> next level of excuse</insert>.  I believe you are not being honest in what you want and are just trying to show everyone how smart you are.

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  • QuirhidQuirhid Member UncommonPosts: 6,230

    Large scale PvP is just not appealing to me. In Eve, I steer clear from those big fights 'cause they are long and boring. If I find myself fighting in one, I am usually watching TV or a movie on the side.

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  • XthosXthos Member UncommonPosts: 2,713

    Had battles of over 200 in DAoC, but my computer was a Pentium III I think when it released and my video card was just below the supported line....So I had a lot of stutter when in the thick of it.

     

    Your tone of message kind of says that you think people are lying about these things though.

     

    I don't know what anyone would stand to gain from lying about their time playing a mmo, but sure...

  • SmellyNannerSmellyNanner Member Posts: 152

    I'm almost 100% certain that this thread was created because of my comment in an ESO thread earlier today.

     

    Haters gonna hate. I've seen 100+ people on my screen multiple times, on multiple games, especially on WoW with world bosses...

    Just shut up, people in this thread have already proven you wrong, what more do you want? Sheesh. 

  • DashiDMVDashiDMV Member Posts: 362
    You could probably find some City of Heroes vids of 200+ people pretty easily. The GM events, Atlas Park events, old Hamidon raids and of course the shutdown day.
  • Arkade99Arkade99 Member RarePosts: 462
    I guess the OP never spent any time in Ironforge in vanilla WoW.
  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858

    ...as a recently ex WoW player....my first thought when reading this thread was "whats all the fuss about, I used to see that everyday"... Then I remembered that many WoW servers have more players online at any given time than most total populations of other games...

  • Arkade99Arkade99 Member RarePosts: 462
    Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

    Why don't you just state what your real agenda is instead of playing this game?

     

    He's probably trying to debunk the reasons why MMO graphics aren't as good as the graphics in single player games.

  • GrixxittGrixxitt Member UncommonPosts: 545
    Originally posted by Foomerang

     


    Originally posted by Grixxitt
    Now get to countin boy-O !!

     

    Thats about as many as I have seen in my experience. Around 80.

    BTW is Uzik named after the electronic music artist? That would be cool because he's one of my favorite musicians.

     

    Not sure, he's had that name for a long time, like since  Asheron's Call afaik. His full name is Uzik Ibn Yaraq , or something to that effect.

     

    As for putting more than 100 people on the screen, they would either need to be extremely small sprites, or you would have to have GM powers of flight and an unlimited height of the world/unlimited horizon to work with just to fit everyone in. It would look like a blob of pixels and character tags.

    Now saying that  hundreds of characters at the same event or confined within a tight area isn't possible can be debunked very easily. As previously stated, I can cite a few instances in Planestide 2 where I was in a coordinated mega-zerg of 8 + platoons (192+ people) and were actually pushed out of a well-defended area by superior numbers. This actually was very common in the early days of that game.

    Darkfall as far as I know would be youre best bet as it had multiple 2-300+ clans having sieges in its earliest days, and the game had no clipping, ghosting, or instancing to impede a video feed. Older games had the numbers as well, but people didn't record videos in resolutions high enough to fit everyone in anyway.

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  • CalerxesCalerxes Member UncommonPosts: 1,641

    I played in a few castle sieges in Lineage 2 which got up to the 200 mark I'm sure, it may have been more I was too busy fighting to count.

     

    Also in the really early days of Darkfall I was in an alliance they used to seiges cities in the hundreds, at times there was a 100+ gathered in my city they soon dropped though as we realised what a dull dull dull tedious game Darkfall was.

     

    Lineage 2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZbfMDZT_8

    Darkfall

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5wLuLvhlZU

     

     

     

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  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Member UncommonPosts: 1,379

    I wish I could remember what it was called, but there was a video of a guy in wow that did an event that crashed the server because the world turnout far exceeded expectations. While I am not sure the number of people, if it broke something I can only assume it was a lot of people in one place.

     

    Edit:  nvm  found the video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7FW0BK2fUo

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  • Kevyne-ShandrisKevyne-Shandris Member UncommonPosts: 2,077
    Originally posted by waynejr2
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Nice thanks for the EvE vid. I counted about 200 ships on screen. PS2 vids, sorry, only saw about 10-15 players on your screen at one time. Tera online saw about 70+ in the last vid. Im not talking about how many people "were there" at these events, Im talking about how many you can actually see on your screen. The UO ones are great lol 2D. guess I should have specified.

    Why should you have specified?  If someone now produces it you can next level of excuse.  I believe you are not being honest in what you want and are just trying to show everyone how smart you are.

    I think it's an EvE show and tell session.

     

    They can have 800+ ships in a screenshot or video, but EvE also doesn't have many shiny stuff (they just added exhaust trails of late, and had to do a massive re-optimization of ship effects). So in games like WoW where I have a zillion particle effects go off (procs/crits and CD abilities) and multiply that by 10/25/40, those effects of 1 WoW player are more particle intensive than like 10 ships in EvE. This is how they can cram so many in a zone, by sacrificing the visual effects. So when I'm on my Drake or Raven, when I fight I only see half the effects I do in WoW (it's like watching tracer fire go out), and being Caldari, missiles with faint trails aren't very entertaining to watch (missiles are brutal on it's engine for some reason, and probably their push for more Caldari fighters with guns/ion blasters instead of missiles now, too [let alone nerfed missiles to the ground to not bring them along on those fights]).

     

    Be interesting where this goes.

  • RazephonRazephon Member UncommonPosts: 628

    Pretty sure Aion had a shit tonne of players (although most don't load you can stil play)

    I did tonnes of sieges on it. Best MMO siege experience I've had

    Example:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBtofzTpMBA

    Currently waiting for the MMO industry to put out something good.
  • clumsytoes44clumsytoes44 Member UncommonPosts: 463

    Could also look up rf-online, had a 3 faction pvp war every 4 hour's or so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGT3doCJx4Y

  • CnameCname Member UncommonPosts: 211
    Originally posted by Foomerang

    Nice thanks for the EvE vid. I counted about 200 ships on screen. PS2 vids, sorry, only saw about 10-15 players on your screen at one time. Tera online saw about 70+ in the last vid. Im not talking about how many people "were there" at these events, Im talking about how many you can actually see on your screen. The UO ones are great lol 2D. guess I should have specified.

    Tencent's 3D MMORPG YL Online claims to support thousands of  players PvP on screen during national battles which can last up to 24 hours or more.   

    Each server support up to 10,000 players. 

    It is difficult to get an exact count in the video below, so you have to take their word for it.

    http://youtu.be/2AJLYYe8np4

     

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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    Originally posted by LittleBoot
    Originally posted by fodell54

    I can't find Wally. 

    Is that Waldo's third brother's stepsister's cousin twice removed?

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  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,021
    Originally posted by DamonVile

    I might have a screen shot of  an old nexus event in tera before they put the population cap on them. Of course 90% of the people wouldn't render past a grey shadow and the entire server would lag and then crash....but they did have it.

    They went from letting about 300-400 people all at one nexus to 100. At one hundred the screens would at least load, even if it was pretty choppy. Around 80 and things moved like they should. I don't think you could actually pvp beyond a huge zerg but they do have pvp servers and the nexus on weekends was open world...so I'm sure it happens.

    Good old times in Nexus lol.  I remember that 2 FPS from 300+ people in the crammed into one small event.  I was on a PVP server, so I did love all the GvG that happened every nexus between the guild I was in and like 8 other guilds.  

  • coretex666coretex666 Member EpicPosts: 3,648

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKbRvKL5Ftg

     

    "Hundreds of Taurens march on Stormwind"

    Here you got it with some fine music too :)

     

  • JulkulaJulkula Member Posts: 21

    Warhammer 40k EC claimed that it will have battles with hundrds of people in it. They intend to use Pikko server technology.

    Here's some Pikko footage.

  • FoomerangFoomerang Member UncommonPosts: 5,619

    Thanks for the screenshots and vids. Some of those were really cool to see. As for some of you guys claiming ill will, relax. I'm not out to get anyone lol just wanted to see legit hundreds of players on a screen in an mmo since I've never experienced that myself.

  • doodphacedoodphace Member UncommonPosts: 1,858
    Originally posted by coretex666

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKbRvKL5Ftg

     

    "Hundreds of Taurens march on Stormwind"

    Here you got it with some fine music too :)

     

    lol thats whats so funny about this thread...to this day 100s of ppl on screen at once is a common occurance in WoW.

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