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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by didjerama

    Yes, he is saying SWTOR is expected to have many more subs than WoW.

    Then you probably do not understand what a quote is...


    The way you read someone's words, does not make the person saying so.

  • skyline385skyline385 Member Posts: 564
    Originally posted by Abimor
    From my perspective it will never recover , I just don't think it is any fun I can't really say why I just did not enjoy it. I was hoping the secret space project would turn out like jump to light speed from swg and that would have got me into the game, but what they came up with just does not interest me. Does that mean tor is not fun to other people or good for them nope I know some people enjoy it. Well just my 2cents. 

    There is no question for recovery. It is doing well for what the game is. Except WoW, all other MMOs are leagues below.

    1) EVE online's latest report said it had 500K subs. If you visited their reddit sub, you would have seen how most of the people agreed that such a high number is because of most of the people there having multiple accounts since you can just buy PLEX.

    2) SWTOR's last report also said that the subs have stabilised at 500K with more than 1.7M new players under F2P.

    3) Having played GW2 for over 1200 hours, i expect the same for GW2. The revenue is even less for GW2 because of lack of subs and only Black Lion gems funding future development. I have good respect for ArenaNet seeing how much content they keep on pumping even if some of it is fluff and temporary.

    4) Other games like EQ2, Aion, Tera wouldn't even come close to 500K subs.

    For what a non-WoW MMO is capable of today, the game is doing well.

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  • skyline385skyline385 Member Posts: 564
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    You like selective reading much.

     

    here:

    We want share, we want leadership position here

    LucasArts online boss Tom Nichols concurred, saying that the firm is banking on The Old Republic’s storytelling component to bust through WoW’s 11 million subs record.


     

    That is not a quote, the actual quote is below the text.

    YES IT IS A QUOTE, its not like anyone can click a link and check it out themselves rofl

    You are still selective quoting aren't you? Saying what he wants for a game is a quote to be taken rather than what the quote  having his realistic expectations from the game.

    Tell me one thing, everyone of us SW fans wants to experience a world like Star Wars where we can roam through galaxies and explore planets but we all know to not expect it in our lifetime. So are we all, including you, failures going by your example since according to you "wanting something" decides failure than "realistic expectations"?

    RUSerious?

    Its the COMMUNITY that said them they are mostly delusional on many occasions, and more and more it became more and more apparent what kind of game they are making. Of course they were immediately marked as "haters" by fanbois.

    They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW. They marked their target as clear as it gets.

    THEY DID. remember. that. always.

    and the next time you dare to blame players and community.

    "They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW."

    The quote is right there. They never expected to pass WoW, they just wanted it. How much more are you gonna ignore a damned quote.

    Are you trying to troll bait here? Because that is against the forum rules.

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by didjerama

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"Thers no more or less to read.ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY

    Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...

  • OldMMOGamerOldMMOGamer Member UncommonPosts: 100
    I'm back in SWTOR....Missed it actually.
  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

     

    Thers no more or less to read.

    ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY


     

    Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...

    Says who?

    WoW, GW2, EvE, RIft are all bigger at this point.

    And thats just in the west. SWOTR was released GLOBALLY even had Oceanic servers (shut down now), so no, "on westerm market" is not applicable in SWTORs case.

    Clearly they got "leadership position" rofl

    Clearly laying off most of your core staff, 2 rounds of server merges and going F2P are sign of them "getting what they wanted".

    Some people really go to extreme lenghts to make exuses for EAs failures, to the point where it really "why do they do it" question pops to mind.

  • skyline385skyline385 Member Posts: 564
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    You like selective reading much.

     

    here:

    We want share, we want leadership position here

    LucasArts online boss Tom Nichols concurred, saying that the firm is banking on The Old Republic’s storytelling component to bust through WoW’s 11 million subs record.


     

    That is not a quote, the actual quote is below the text.

    YES IT IS A QUOTE, its not like anyone can click a link and check it out themselves rofl

    You are still selective quoting aren't you? Saying what he wants for a game is a quote to be taken rather than what the quote  having his realistic expectations from the game.

    Tell me one thing, everyone of us SW fans wants to experience a world like Star Wars where we can roam through galaxies and explore planets but we all know to not expect it in our lifetime. So are we all, including you, failures going by your example since according to you "wanting something" decides failure than "realistic expectations"?

    RUSerious?

    Its the COMMUNITY that said them they are mostly delusional on many occasions, and more and more it became more and more apparent what kind of game they are making. Of course they were immediately marked as "haters" by fanbois.

    They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW. They marked their target as clear as it gets.

    THEY DID. remember. that. always.

    and the next time you dare to blame players and community.

    "They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW."

    The quote is right there. They never expected to pass WoW, they just wanted it. How much more are you gonna ignore a damned quote.

    Are you trying to troll bait here? Because that is against the forum rules.

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

    Man, you really are EAs PR.

     

     

    The full quote is

    "We want share, we want leadership position here. I'm not expecting to sort of knock them over, but... We're gonna get a big chunk of [their market]."

    Really, how much more are you gonna ignore the quote which states their realistic expectations?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

     

    Thers no more or less to read.

    ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY


     

    Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...

    Says who?

    WoW, GW2, EvE, RIft are all bigger at this point.

    And thats just in the west. SWOTR was released GLOBALLY even had Oceanic servers (shut down now)

    Clearly they got "leadership position" rofl

    Clearly laying off most of your core staff, 2 rounds of server merges and going F2P are sign of them "getting what they wanted".

    Some people really go to extreme lenghts to make exuses for EAs failures, to the point where it really "why do they do it" question pops to mind.

    Re-posting what i just said 10 posts ago since you can't see posts which give actual facts


    There is no question for recovery. It is doing well for what the game is. Except WoW, all other MMOs are leagues below.

    1) EVE online's latest report said it had 500K subs. If you visited their reddit sub, you would have seen how most of the people agreed that such a high number is because of most of the people there having multiple accounts since you can just buy PLEX.

    2) SWTOR's last report also said that the subs have stabilised at 500K with more than 1.7M new players under F2P.

    3) Having played GW2 for over 1200 hours, i expect the same for GW2. The revenue is even less for GW2 because of lack of subs and only Black Lion gems funding future development. I have good respect for ArenaNet seeing how much content they keep on pumping even if some of it is fluff and temporary.

    4) Other games like EQ2, Aion, Tera wouldn't even come close to 500K subs. Rift is going a server unification because of low load servers.

    For what a non-WoW MMO is capable of today,SWTOR is doing well.

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  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    You like selective reading much.

     

    here:

    We want share, we want leadership position here

    LucasArts online boss Tom Nichols concurred, saying that the firm is banking on The Old Republic’s storytelling component to bust through WoW’s 11 million subs record.


     

    That is not a quote, the actual quote is below the text.

    YES IT IS A QUOTE, its not like anyone can click a link and check it out themselves rofl

    You are still selective quoting aren't you? Saying what he wants for a game is a quote to be taken rather than what the quote  having his realistic expectations from the game.

    Tell me one thing, everyone of us SW fans wants to experience a world like Star Wars where we can roam through galaxies and explore planets but we all know to not expect it in our lifetime. So are we all, including you, failures going by your example since according to you "wanting something" decides failure than "realistic expectations"?

    RUSerious?

    Its the COMMUNITY that said them they are mostly delusional on many occasions, and more and more it became more and more apparent what kind of game they are making. Of course they were immediately marked as "haters" by fanbois.

    They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW. They marked their target as clear as it gets.

    THEY DID. remember. that. always.

    and the next time you dare to blame players and community.

    "They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW."

    The quote is right there. They never expected to pass WoW, they just wanted it. How much more are you gonna ignore a damned quote.

    Are you trying to troll bait here? Because that is against the forum rules.

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

    Man, you really are EAs PR.

    The full quote is

    "We want share, we want leadership position here. I'm not expecting to sort of knock them over, but... We're gonna get a big chunk of [their market]."

    Really, how much more are you gonna ignore the quote which states their realistic expectations?

    How much YOU are going to ignore?

    THEY EXPECT TO SURPASS WOW NOT KILL IT. THEY EXPECTED IT FROM THE START AND THAT WAS PROBABLY WHY EA BOUGHT BW IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    Their bare minimum was 1 million long term subs but EXPECTATIONS WERE TO SURPASS WOW, thats why EA invested so much 800m$ for BW + all SWTOR production costs. Thats 1 BILLION $.

    SWTOR didnt even made bare minimum (by their measure, let alone fulfilled expectations)

  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

     

    Thers no more or less to read.

    ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY


     

    Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...

    in what universe did this happen? cause it surely wasnt in this one

  • Mors.MagneMors.Magne Member UncommonPosts: 1,549
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by skyline385
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    You like selective reading much.

     

    here:

    We want share, we want leadership position here

    LucasArts online boss Tom Nichols concurred, saying that the firm is banking on The Old Republic’s storytelling component to bust through WoW’s 11 million subs record.


     

    That is not a quote, the actual quote is below the text.

    YES IT IS A QUOTE, its not like anyone can click a link and check it out themselves rofl

    You are still selective quoting aren't you? Saying what he wants for a game is a quote to be taken rather than what the quote  having his realistic expectations from the game.

    Tell me one thing, everyone of us SW fans wants to experience a world like Star Wars where we can roam through galaxies and explore planets but we all know to not expect it in our lifetime. So are we all, including you, failures going by your example since according to you "wanting something" decides failure than "realistic expectations"?

    RUSerious?

    Its the COMMUNITY that said them they are mostly delusional on many occasions, and more and more it became more and more apparent what kind of game they are making. Of course they were immediately marked as "haters" by fanbois.

    They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW. They marked their target as clear as it gets.

    THEY DID. remember. that. always.

    and the next time you dare to blame players and community.

    "They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW."

    The quote is right there. They never expected to pass WoW, they just wanted it. How much more are you gonna ignore a damned quote.

    Are you trying to troll bait here? Because that is against the forum rules.

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

    Man, you really are EAs PR.

     

     

    The full quote is

    "We want share, we want leadership position here. I'm not expecting to sort of knock them over, but... We're gonna get a big chunk of [their market]."

    Really, how much more are you gonna ignore the quote which states their realistic expectations?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

     

    Thers no more or less to read.

    ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY


     

    Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...

    Says who?

    WoW, GW2, EvE, RIft are all bigger at this point.

    And thats just in the west. SWOTR was released GLOBALLY even had Oceanic servers (shut down now)

    Clearly they got "leadership position" rofl

    Clearly laying off most of your core staff, 2 rounds of server merges and going F2P are sign of them "getting what they wanted".

    Some people really go to extreme lenghts to make exuses for EAs failures, to the point where it really "why do they do it" question pops to mind.

    Re-posting what i just said 10 posts ago since you can't see posts which give actual facts


    There is no question for recovery. It is doing well for what the game is. Except WoW, all other MMOs are leagues below.

    1) EVE online's latest report said it had 500K subs. If you visited their reddit sub, you would have seen how most of the people agreed that such a high number is because of most of the people there having multiple accounts since you can just buy PLEX.

    2) SWTOR's last report also said that the subs have stabilised at 500K with more than 1.7M new players under F2P.

    3) Having played GW2 for over 1200 hours, i expect the same for GW2. The revenue is even less for GW2 because of lack of subs and only Black Lion gems funding future development. I have good respect for ArenaNet seeing how much content they keep on pumping even if some of it is fluff and temporary.

    4) Other games like EQ2, Aion, Tera wouldn't even come close to 500K subs. Rift is going a server unification because of low load servers.

    For what a non-WoW MMO is capable of today,SWTOR is doing well.

    SWTOR is not doing nearly as well as it should be doing !!

     

    We're talking about Star Wars here - it should have beaten WoW hands down - no contest whatsoever.

     

    Star Wars appeals to people from ages 8 to 50, it has an appeal far greater than the science fiction genre or gaming genre per se.

     

    SWTOR had a HUGE budget, ENORMOUS resources in terms of story telling and designs - think of all those films and books that have been published!

     

    It's like selling a house of solid gold at a price just slightly above the average market price for a house.

  • skyline385skyline385 Member Posts: 564


    Originally posted by Mors.Magne

    Originally posted by skyline385

    Originally posted by didjerama

    Originally posted by skyline385

    Originally posted by didjerama

    Originally posted by skyline385

    Originally posted by didjerama

    Originally posted by Gdemami  

    Originally posted by didjerama You like selective reading much.   here: We want share, we want leadership position here LucasArts online boss Tom Nichols concurred, saying that the firm is banking on The Old Republic’s storytelling component to bust through WoW’s 11 million subs record.   That is not a quote, the actual quote is below the text. YES IT IS A QUOTE, its not like anyone can click a link and check it out themselves rofl You are still selective quoting aren't you? Saying what he wants for a game is a quote to be taken rather than what the quote  having his realistic expectations from the game. Tell me one thing, everyone of us SW fans wants to experience a world like Star Wars where we can roam through galaxies and explore planets but we all know to not expect it in our lifetime. So are we all, including you, failures going by your example since according to you "wanting something" decides failure than "realistic expectations"?
    RUSerious? Its the COMMUNITY that said them they are mostly delusional on many occasions, and more and more it became more and more apparent what kind of game they are making. Of course they were immediately marked as "haters" by fanbois. They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW. They marked their target as clear as it gets. THEY DID. remember. that. always. and the next time you dare to blame players and community.
    "They THEMSELVES hyped the mob, they THEMSELVES expected to surpass WoW." The quote is right there. They never expected to pass WoW, they just wanted it. How much more are you gonna ignore a damned quote. Are you trying to troll bait here? Because that is against the forum rules.
    "We want share, we want leadership position here" Man, you really are EAs PR.
        The full quote is "We want share, we want leadership position here. I'm not expecting to sort of knock them over, but... We're gonna get a big chunk of [their market]." Really, how much more are you gonna ignore the quote which states their realistic expectations?             Originally posted by didjerama Originally posted by Gdemami   Originally posted by didjerama "We want share, we want leadership position here"   Thers no more or less to read. ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY
      Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...
    Says who? WoW, GW2, EvE, RIft are all bigger at this point. And thats just in the west. SWOTR was released GLOBALLY even had Oceanic servers (shut down now) Clearly they got "leadership position" rofl Clearly laying off most of your core staff, 2 rounds of server merges and going F2P are sign of them "getting what they wanted". Some people really go to extreme lenghts to make exuses for EAs failures, to the point where it really "why do they do it" question pops to mind.
    Re-posting what i just said 10 posts ago since you can't see posts which give actual facts There is no question for recovery. It is doing well for what the game is. Except WoW, all other MMOs are leagues below. 1) EVE online's latest report said it had 500K subs. If you visited their reddit sub, you would have seen how most of the people agreed that such a high number is because of most of the people there having multiple accounts since you can just buy PLEX. 2) SWTOR's last report also said that the subs have stabilised at 500K with more than 1.7M new players under F2P. 3) Having played GW2 for over 1200 hours, i expect the same for GW2. The revenue is even less for GW2 because of lack of subs and only Black Lion gems funding future development. I have good respect for ArenaNet seeing how much content they keep on pumping even if some of it is fluff and temporary. 4) Other games like EQ2, Aion, Tera wouldn't even come close to 500K subs. Rift is going a server unification because of low load servers. For what a non-WoW MMO is capable of today,SWTOR is doing well.
    SWTOR is not doing nearly as well as it should be doing !!   We're talking about Star Wars here - it should have beaten WoW hands down - no contest whatsoever.   Star Wars appeals to people from ages 8 to 50, it has an appeal far greater than the science fiction genre or gaming genre per se.   SWTOR had a HUGE budget, ENORMOUS resources in terms of story telling and designs - think of all those films and books that have been published!   It's like selling a house of solid gold at a price just slightly above the average market price for a house.
    That is just wishful thinking. Also, you are not giving credit to WoW's own lore which is hands down amazing. Not everyone is a crazy SW fan. I myself prefer fantasy setting over SW or any sci-fi one. Also, i have seen all the SW movies and they are good but not something i would be crazy about.

     Also, WoW is still an almost perfect game and excels at many things than SWTOR. SWTOR is good in many aspects but not WoW good when you consider themepark MMOs.

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  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by Mors.Magne

    SWTOR is not doing nearly as well as it should be doing !!

     

    We're talking about Star Wars here - it should have beaten WoW hands down - no contest whatsoever.

     

    Star Wars appeals to people from ages 8 to 50, it has an appeal far greater than the science fiction genre or gaming genre per se.

     

    SWTOR had a HUGE budget, ENORMOUS resources in terms of story telling and designs - think of all those films and books that have been published!

     

    It's like selling a house of solid gold at a price just slightly above the average market price for a house.

    Point is SWTOR is not performing anywhere near, or even in ballpark, it was expected to perform ever since EA bought BW.

    Sure, there are still chances it will recover, and perform on the level LA/BW/EA expected, but damn, anyone willing place a bet on that one? At this time even EA came to peace with SWTOR failure and tries to salvage as much as they can with as little as they can.

  • DoogiehowserDoogiehowser Member Posts: 1,873
    Originally posted by didjerama
     

    I agree, they still have a chance to knock out WoW and beat 12 million subs. You wanna bet on your horse? I sure want to bet on mine.

    You are still living under the assumption that the only goal left for these MMOS is to beat 12 million subs of WOW. MMOS are all about long term survivals and no you don't need 12 million subs to do that.

    "The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
    -Jesse Schell

    "Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
    -Luke McKinney

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  • NixlNixl Member Posts: 67

    No.  TOR will not recover.  It lost momentum and patches alone will not bring it back.  Too many things did not work such as the game engine (hero engine?), Ilum, the end game, and game balance.

    To be honest, I hope it does not.  The Revan/Exile storyline was atrocious and I would not mind a retcon. But who am I kidding, TOR is the end note of the Kotor series.  A good rpg franchise reduced to a corny MMO. 

  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by Doogiehowser
    Originally posted by didjerama
     

    I agree, they still have a chance to knock out WoW and beat 12 million subs. You wanna bet on your horse? I sure want to bet on mine.

    You are still living under the assumption that the only goal left for these MMOS is to beat 12 million subs of WOW. MMOS are all about long term survivals and no you don't need 12 million subs to do that.

    You still live under the assumption BW/LA/EA expected anything less. After they themselves said it. Its sad.

    These games? We are talking SWTOR here.

    I see you wont take that bet. Smart, not even EA would rofl. Noone sane would.

  • ImperialSunImperialSun Member Posts: 212
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by Gdemami

     


    Originally posted by didjerama

    "We want share, we want leadership position here"

     

    Thers no more or less to read.

    ITS CLEAR AS BRIGHT SUNNY DAY


     

    Considering SWTOR is 2/3rd(?) largest MMO on western market...they seem to achieved that...

    Says who?

    WoW, GW2, EvE, RIft are all bigger at this point.

    And thats just in the west. SWOTR was released GLOBALLY even had Oceanic servers (shut down now), so no, "on westerm market" is not applicable in SWTORs case.

    Clearly they got "leadership position" rofl

    Clearly laying off most of your core staff, 2 rounds of server merges and going F2P are sign of them "getting what they wanted".

    Some people really go to extreme lenghts to make exuses for EAs failures, to the point where it really "why do they do it" question pops to mind.

     

    lol...Rift? lol GW2? what are you smoking? Yes WoW and EVE are bigger sub wise than SW:TOR but I would insist on seeing some actual facts to back up your claims about Rift and GW2 cust that smells like pure bullshit to me lol...

    So...do you have any actual facts or were you just pulling that statement out of your ass?

    Driz

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