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Samsung blames Windows 8 for declining PC sales.

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,220
    Originally posted by erictlewis

    Let us face the truth Windows 8 was built for cell phones, not for desktop PC"s.   Nothing anybody does is going to help desktop pc's. 

    That's incorrect.  If you want an OS for a cell phone and ask Microsoft what to get, they'll suggest Windows Phone 8, which is totally different from Windows 8, in spite of the similar name.

    Windows 8 is intended for tablets, in addition to desktops and laptops, but not cell phones.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 24,220
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by olepi

    The chip industry has seen a steady decline in high-end processors, those that go into PC's. PC sales in general have dropped, mainly due to tablets. Many tablets and smart-phones have ARM processors, which are too "weak" to go into regular PC's, but are still good enough for most people.

    PC sales are not expected to ever recover.

    Maybe but Intel are bringing out a chip which by what I heard it is good for both mobile platforms (tablets, smartphones,etc) and more traditional ones (desktops, laptops, etc)

    And this will be in this summer, remains to be seen if the price to quality to the soon to be old Ivy Bridge is good and the price/quality vs arm's price/quality in the mobile area is net superior (which unlike the the comparison between Haswell and Ivy Bridge has a critical emphasis on power consumption).

    Haswell will not go in cell phones.  Intel has their Atom processors for cell phones.

    Intel will try to get Haswell into relatively higher end tablets.  For some weird niche products that try to cram a lot more power into a tablet than they should, Haswell will make sense.  As far as I'm aware, that means any successor to the Razer Edge, and that's about it.  For more normal Windows tablets, the upcoming chip you want is AMD Temash.

    Haswell is more targeted at laptops, as it will bring idle power consumption down greatly, which boosts battery life.  Haswell will probably be nifty for desktops, too, but not much better than Ivy Bridge, so not worth waiting for unless launch is imminent.

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    Part of the problem is that Microsoft built Windows 8 with the intention that it would be good for tablets, and then there wasn't any decent x86 tablet hardware ready when Windows 8 launched.  AMD Hondo should have been a good chip for it, but Global Foundries' 28 nm process node wasn't ready, so the original Hondo was canceled and AMD reappropriated the code name for a slightly modified Desna chip.

    The other alternatives available today are Intel Ivy Bridge, which uses unreasonably large amounts of power for a tablet, and Intel Clover Trail Atom, which sports dismal performance and will not run Windows 8 well.

    Intel Silvermont Atom might be all right for Windows 8 tablets, but that's not coming until around the end of the year.

  • DihoruDihoru Member Posts: 2,731
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Dihoru
    Originally posted by olepi

    The chip industry has seen a steady decline in high-end processors, those that go into PC's. PC sales in general have dropped, mainly due to tablets. Many tablets and smart-phones have ARM processors, which are too "weak" to go into regular PC's, but are still good enough for most people.

    PC sales are not expected to ever recover.

    Maybe but Intel are bringing out a chip which by what I heard it is good for both mobile platforms (tablets, smartphones,etc) and more traditional ones (desktops, laptops, etc)

    And this will be in this summer, remains to be seen if the price to quality to the soon to be old Ivy Bridge is good and the price/quality vs arm's price/quality in the mobile area is net superior (which unlike the the comparison between Haswell and Ivy Bridge has a critical emphasis on power consumption).

    Haswell will not go in cell phones.  Intel has their Atom processors for cell phones.

    Intel will try to get Haswell into relatively higher end tablets.  For some weird niche products that try to cram a lot more power into a tablet than they should, Haswell will make sense.  As far as I'm aware, that means any successor to the Razer Edge, and that's about it.  For more normal Windows tablets, the upcoming chip you want is AMD Temash.

    Haswell is more targeted at laptops, as it will bring idle power consumption down greatly, which boosts battery life.  Haswell will probably be nifty for desktops, too, but not much better than Ivy Bridge, so not worth waiting for unless launch is imminent.

    -----

    Part of the problem is that Microsoft built Windows 8 with the intention that it would be good for tablets, and then there wasn't any decent x86 tablet hardware ready when Windows 8 launched.  AMD Hondo should have been a good chip for it, but Global Foundries' 28 nm process node wasn't ready, so the original Hondo was canceled and AMD reappropriated the code name for a slightly modified Desna chip.

    The other alternatives available today are Intel Ivy Bridge, which uses unreasonably large amounts of power for a tablet, and Intel Clover Trail Atom, which sports dismal performance and will not run Windows 8 well.

    Intel Silvermont Atom might be all right for Windows 8 tablets, but that's not coming until around the end of the year.

    Right, sorry, was late last night and my brain shorted on the Haswell = Silvermont thing (though to be fair they're based on the same architecture).

    Still... if ARM doesn't get something out in time and this

    is correct word for word (take special not of the dimensions, that would mean silvermont could be fitted in larger smartphones such as the galaxy series as well)  then they'll have a hell of a time catching up.

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