This is common in science-fiction to illustrate that the society has moved beyond gender bias to use consistent honorifics. Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica would be the most popular examples.
I don't understand what about it you think is ‘pig-headed arrogance’.
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What I posted the first time. Stop trying to act like wiki noobs actually went to the army.
i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am
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This is common in science-fiction to illustrate that the society has moved beyond gender bias to use consistent honorifics. Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica would be the most popular examples.
I don't understand what about it you think is ‘pig-headed arrogance’.
Star Wars is NOT Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.
This is common in science-fiction to illustrate that the society has moved beyond gender bias to use consistent honorifics. Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica would be the most popular examples.
I don't understand what about it you think is ‘pig-headed arrogance’.
Star Wars is NOT Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.
That was either laziness - "It takes too long to make voice-recordings for both female and male characters" - or penny-pinching - ""It costs too much to record two versions" - or pig-headed arrogance - "In hard sci-fi, they call all genders 'Sir'" - and they were compounded because no-one at the top levels of the game, either a developer, a marketer or even Q&A, recognised that this was stupid and put their foot down.
Laziness, Penny-Pinching, Arrogance, Lack of Leadership.
These are the qualities that caused the massive flaws of this game that even the most senior bosses of the company that made it now call 'diappointing'.
When writing fiction its often best to remain gender neutral and simply address people by rank when needed to prevent making sex an issue when the status is what’s important. However, it’s common to settle for Sir in “B” grade literature like Trek and Wars as some have mentioned. But really, it feels cheap to make an issue of it in light of everything else you could pick on. I mean you laid out a pretty nice string of insulting adjectives there OP. To what end?
Your post reads like a flame rather than an issue of substance for discussion. I am just sick of GW2 threads and dropped by...
Originally posted by Vaelgard I don't even like Star Wars, but I seem to remember they called even females "Sir" in the movies. Game still blows though
No they didn't. Not in any of the moviers. They called Princess Leia, 'Princess'. And Senator Amidala, 'Senator'.
Were there other females than Leia in the real movies?
But yes, Sir is the correct name for a female officer in English. In Sweden we call any officer by their rank instead, female or not.
I would imagine if there was anything in there that was against Star Wars canon / style, Lucas Arts would have been all over it and made sure it was fixed.
If it disturbs you so much, ask them why it is so.
Sidenote: There was a 'Lady' version of the Lord title in testing, it went away at some stage, I would imagine at their behest. To be honest, I can't recall the explanation that was given, I just remember there being a brou-ha-ha about it.
The in-game chapter summaries are far worse for gender errors, play a Female trooper and you'll see what I mean....
However, as others have said, there are many more solid things to complain about.
"Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."
Originally posted by Vaelgard I don't even like Star Wars, but I seem to remember they called even females "Sir" in the movies. Game still blows though
No they didn't. Not in any of the moviers. They called Princess Leia, 'Princess'. And Senator Amidala, 'Senator'.
Were there other females than Leia in the real movies?
But yes, Sir is the correct name for a female officer in English. In Sweden we call any officer by their rank instead, female or not.
So in this Bioware is doing the right thing.
"But yes, Sir is the correct name for a female officer in English."
No it bloody isn't. Why do you keep peddling what is easily and quickly demonstrable as bullshit?
i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am
They all operate differently. That very well could be.
USAF Jag Corp, 2006 here. Since you don't seem to recall, I'll copied a link to the Army Command Policy, 600-20. Female Offiers are refferred to as Ma'am. Not Sir...ever.
4-18. A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma'am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma'am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion. In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank.
i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am
They all operate differently. That very well could be.
USAF Jag Corp, 2006 here. Since you don't seem to recall, I'll copied a link to the Army Command Policy, 600-20. Female Offiers are refferred to as Ma'am. Not Sir...ever.
4-18. A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma'am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma'am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion. In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
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This is common in science-fiction to illustrate that the society has moved beyond gender bias to use consistent honorifics. Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica would be the most popular examples.
I don't understand what about it you think is ‘pig-headed arrogance’.
What I posted the first time. Stop trying to act like wiki noobs actually went to the army.
If you took your time and read the books you would know that "sir" is used to adress members of both sexes.
Also, "jedi-master" is used for members of both sexes.
Sources: Star Wars: The Old Republic, Deceived; Star Wars: The Old Republic, Revan and Star Wars: The Old Republic, Fatal Alliance..
i can't comment for army since never been in army but air force and coast guard we surely use Ma'am
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
That's the whole point. It's not 'unimportant'. It's in fact absolutely symptomatic, in one small detail, of the vast flaws of the game.
They all operate differently. That very well could be.
Star Wars is NOT Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.
Same applies to Star Wars.
When writing fiction its often best to remain gender neutral and simply address people by rank when needed to prevent making sex an issue when the status is what’s important. However, it’s common to settle for Sir in “B” grade literature like Trek and Wars as some have mentioned. But really, it feels cheap to make an issue of it in light of everything else you could pick on. I mean you laid out a pretty nice string of insulting adjectives there OP. To what end?
Your post reads like a flame rather than an issue of substance for discussion. I am just sick of GW2 threads and dropped by...
My apologies, I didn't realise this was actually serious. I thought people were just killing time waiting for GW2 to go live.
A Star Wars example: -
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:KB:Senate_Guards_TCW
Seriously? HAHA no -_-.
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It's "Rakkasan Ma'am" when I see female officers.
Also when I went through OSUT at Knox 515 was a BCT troop. Of course I don't know how the do it up in TRADOC/HRC world...
Did you even graduate basic man?
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All military officers are addressed as Sir..yes.
I would classify this complaint as "nit picking"
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
In the U.S Army I've always heard/used Ma'am to female officers.
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You're wrong here:
"The term "Sith Lord" generally encompassed members of both sexes, although some female Sith, such as Lumiya and Olaris Rhea, were styled Sith Lady."
Source.
They don't do basic in knox are you serious?
Were there other females than Leia in the real movies?
But yes, Sir is the correct name for a female officer in English. In Sweden we call any officer by their rank instead, female or not.
So in this Bioware is doing the right thing.
I would imagine if there was anything in there that was against Star Wars canon / style, Lucas Arts would have been all over it and made sure it was fixed.
If it disturbs you so much, ask them why it is so.
Sidenote: There was a 'Lady' version of the Lord title in testing, it went away at some stage, I would imagine at their behest. To be honest, I can't recall the explanation that was given, I just remember there being a brou-ha-ha about it.
The in-game chapter summaries are far worse for gender errors, play a Female trooper and you'll see what I mean....
However, as others have said, there are many more solid things to complain about.
Holy hell I suggest you do some google'n
I'll do you a favor.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/10/army_infantry_100509w/
"Billions of dollars of new construction projects are underway at Benning as officials at Fort Knox, Ky., are finalizing the massive plan to move the Armor Center and School alongside the home of the infantry."
Das Uber Lurker!
"But yes, Sir is the correct name for a female officer in English."
No it bloody isn't. Why do you keep peddling what is easily and quickly demonstrable as bullshit?
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071210054145AAA9F8v
USAF Jag Corp, 2006 here. Since you don't seem to recall, I'll copied a link to the Army Command Policy, 600-20. Female Offiers are refferred to as Ma'am. Not Sir...ever.
4-18. A soldier addressing a higher ranking officer uses the word sir or ma'am in the same manner as a polite civilian speaking with a person to whom he wishes to show respect. In the military service, the matter of who says sir or ma'am to whom is clearly defined; in civilian life it is largely a matter of discretion. In the case of NCOs and soldiers, we address them by their rank because they've earned that rank.
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_20.pdf
same policy as usaf and uscg
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
As a military member in the Navy, I can tell you we do NOT say Sir to a female officer. We say Ma'am.
Yes Ma'am! No Ma'am! Not Sir... wtf? They are female, Sir is a title for males. Strange army people...
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