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Cancelled my pre-order today. Heres why
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Well, to be frank- There hasnt been many "full fledged MMOs" IMHO in quite some time. A bunch of hype and marketing has been the industry standard in most cases- As in this case.
I was there at Vanilla WOW and it was "full fledged"
Again, not arguing. I am telling the truth here. This game isnt what the hype is portraying. Its casual and lacking content. In a few months I will persoonally necro threads when the SHTF (and it will)
I am happy with it (not a hater)- But I also didnt buy the hype. Those buying the hypew are going to be pissed. No need to argue, just watch and see.
1- Simple pve system? as opposed to what other complex and deep pve system?
2- gonna call you BS on this one.
3- again see number 2.
4- mix of see above and did you play all the way to lvl 80? di you actually explore the whole world of GW2 to come to that conclusion?
Have fun with failcom in TSW, and enjoy PS2 when its out(I will too) sad that your "opinion" and "views" so cloud your eyes to GW2.
This is the first MMO you have found adventure in (and yes I mean MMORPG)- WIOW.
I am old school. I found adventure in many games from the Original NWN (on AOL) , Meridian 59, UO , etc.... Also found adventure in WOW (yes, I said it lol) which was a good game for its time.
Anyhow...
This seems to be the new theme picked up by several folks leading into launch: the game is fine nothing special but people will leave it after a month.
What is the origin of this idea? Because it doesn't have traditional raids? WoW has a pretty extensive raid yet only 5-10% of the player base actually participated until LFR was introduced, yet people kept playing. Only 1.5% of the player base completed Firelands on normal. So is it raids that keep people hooked, or having things to do in game that are fun? Why is WoW adding pet battles and farming and a bunch of other stuff on top of a tiered LFR?
Furthermore, no one has seen past level 35 except the in-house beta testers. So unless you have inside knowledge, you're just guessing that DE's don't evolve as the game progresses to give the game a terrific hook, ending in Orr. We know there is a post launch content team. We know they can create large scale events in a 12 hour window that impact significant portions of the map. We know they want to keep people playing so they can make money and sell expansions in a year.
Yet you are certain that people will leave after a month, despite the fact that the game is launching with over 1500 dynamic events, 8 dungeons, massive WvW, sPvP, jumping puzzles, cosmetic gear grinds, epic weapon grinds, and so on. We're talking hundreds of hours of content in the box, and a game that is incredibly alt-friendly.
So yes, necro threads and so on. I can already list the names of most of the posters that will be populating them saying "See I told you so." It's the same group that has posted every BWE while a significant number of players were enjoying the game.
At any rate, we shall shortly see who is right.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
You still did not answer his question. What is your definition of a full fledged MMO? GW2 has everthing Vanilla Wow had plus more. So, please answer the question and stop droning on.
BOOYAKA!
This is what you believe, and it is an opinion of your own truth, it is not mine.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
And this is what the argument is about.
I agree with you totally. No sub makes this a grerat buy for casual play. There isnt enough depth here for a sub and yet the hype has this game being "revolutioinary" and the best thing since sliced bread.
Throw a sub on here and this game wouldnt even sell. This doesnt make it "bad" this just means the hype is getting out of control and peoiple are going to be disapointed thinking they are buying something that isnt going to be what they think.
You're confusing truth with opinion. And no, we're not arguing, it's just some debate. I know some of our comments will draw the trolls, but ignore them.
Vanilla WoW was far from full fledged. I took a break from WoW for a couple months...up until they released the Honor system. Because there wasn't anyhting to do but quest and grind the instances.
The content I've played during BWE for GW2 clearly puts a foundation for what I and other players should expect. At a moderate pace, and about ~10 hours, I finished the human starting area of Queensdale. That's just one of the beginner areas. I can't imagine what's in store in the 60+. I didn't even get a chance to play with crafting, gathering or any of the mini games.
I agree to not lose yourself in the hype. But many people have looked at GW2 in a subjective manner. I've also talked to the ArenaNet employees themselves while attending PAX Prime 2010 and 2011. The way they talk about their game, the way they observed people playing their game, getting feedback, jotting notes etc... It's hard not to see why people are getting excited about it.
-Agree. Lets necro some threads in six months and see. =D
You found surface level "looking around the next corner" exploring, we all have done this. The kind of exploring that you basically were guided through because it was part of a quest hub. GW2 offers much more than that. Canyons, crevices, underwater passages, mountains to climb, vistas, jumping puzzles, etc, etc. To me this is more of an rpg than any of the previous games to date.
I do understand where you are coming from though, I'm just trying to say that there is much more to an mmorpg than raiding because you got to a high enough level and can wear gear to do it. /shrug.
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Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
al but opne of the games I mentioned didnt even have quests.
Only one of the games I mentioned had raiding.
NVM (I am not a raid junkie and I hate quests anyhow)
I was just pointing out how what the OP stated about GW2 applies just as well to TSW, the game he apparently considers better than GW2.
I've never understood why people would hope to "not" like something. You would think that having more things that people like would be a good thing.
Ok Sir, I do see where you are coming from. Most people that dislike GW2 are hardcore raiders, and to them that is what an mmorpg is all about. Thank you for your opinion!!!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
It's impossible to create a game which will equally appeal to everyone. The great thing is that there are a lot of MMOs out there and chances are, whatever your preference is, there is a game for your niche.
No raids doesnt sound like an opinion at all... its just a fact...
There are raids though. It's just that they are not instanced.
.... In most cases it isnt folks hoping NOT to like something.
Its HYPE.... Its people purchasing something based on HYPE and then finding dissapointment- Then we hear "t he sub model is dead" and "nobody wants to pay a sub" (ala SWTOR) when people were happy to pay a sub but were disapointed due to the HYPE.
Same with GW2- The second most overhyped game I can remember.
Take the hype away and people will know what they are really getting into. As I said I like GW2- I also feel its shallow (which is fine since there isnt a sub)- But I knew what I was getting into thus I am happy...
Others buy the hype and find disapointment. But the boxes are sold. Thats the problem with the genre right now. Its predatory marketing.
GW2 is a fine game. But if you are expecting what most are- Its going to suck. And very soon (six months) I reckon P2W items (its close now IMO) and people angry at a box price for a F2P game. People angry for not getting what the HYPE has painted. People just...Angry.
I wont be- But again- I KNEW what I was purchasing.
Yeah, but why would people want others to not like a game?
I get that I may or may not like a game. What I don't understand is why I would hope YOU wouldn't like the game? It doesn't make any sense to me. YOU not liking a game will not help ME in any way. See what I'm sayin?
I did the Shatterer and Tequatl and they felt enough like a raid boss.